The Constitution Party is poorly named.

bitcruncher Wrote:Ronald Reagan is the reason why all our jobs are being shipped overseas. Ross Perot was right about the giant sucking sound that would be heard in NAFTA passed. It just took longer than he anticipated. Reaganomics is slowly killing the national economy, and it is being accelerated by the fact that Nixon took us off the gold standard, so that not all of our currency is backed any longer. We have become a nation of borrowers, and freeloaders, such as those about to be bailed out because they elected an incompetent CEO, who will probably get a government paid bonus to get the hell out of his chair.
We bail out huge corporations, whose board members and executives run it into the ground, and Republicans are the first ones to say this bailout is needed. But that isn't the capitalist way. Capitalism states that supply and demand dictate, and if you can't cut the mustard, somebody else will.
Not anymore. Republicans and Democrats alike have become socialists...
But I'm basically an anarchist at heart, even though I usually vote Libertarian in Presidential elections...

I usually vote libertarian not only in presidential elections, but all the way down the ballot. I agree with your 2nd, 3rd, and 4th paragraphs, but I'm not sure I follow your first one.

I'm not sure why to blame Reagan and Reganomics for jobs going overseas. If anything, it seems to me that the way to keep jobs here is more, not less, emphasis on the supply side. We are borrowers as the inevitable result of consuming too much and saving too little of our income.

Perot opposed NAFTA, but not free trade. He had actually invested millions and called in a number of political favors to develop Alliance Airport as a duty free zone north of Fort Worth. Despite the sound bytes, the real reason for his opposition to NAFTA was that Alliance was a whole lot more desirable project without NAFTA than with it. I'm surprised that you, as a libertarian, are opposed to free trade.

We've lost lots of jobs overseas, but the only ones that can be attributed to NAFTA are those that:
1. Went to Canada or Mexico, and
2. Would not have left the US without NAFTA.

A large number of our lost jobs have been to places other than Canada or Mexico. NAFTA had nothing to do with those. A large number of the jobs lost to Canada or Mexico were never going to stay in the US; the impact of NAFTA was that those jobs went to Canada or Mexico instead of going to China or India. To the extent that relieves some of the illegal immigration pressure, that is a good thing.

True, we are becoming a nation of borrowers and freeloaders. I'm just not sure how you blame that on Reagan.

We need to implement the Fair Tax and repeal the 16th. Corporations are moving overseas because they're taxes are outrageous. These taxes are driving the cost of their product up and they are having a hard time competing with "free trade" policies.

Fo Shizzle Wrote:Im not into the CP...They are for the Wars on drugs..gambling..prostitution..ect. In other words...They will put me in a jail cell for non-violent crimes that have no victim. Thats not very Liberty minded and I oppose their stances on those issues.

Well, this is intriguing. Which one of those would you be going to jail for, and are any of those three responsible for you being in the high tax bracket that you've said you are in?

georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:Okay, f*cking seriously. Can we go ONE CENTURY in this country without being bigoted towards some group of people?

1800's: Women
1900's: Blacks
2000's: Gays

At least the groups are getting smaller. /facepalm

Just a minor correction, but methinks the 1800s were a tad bit worse for African Americans than the 1900s (that's not to say the 1900s were kind to them).

Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:

bitcruncher Wrote:Ronald Reagan is the reason why all our jobs are being shipped overseas. Ross Perot was right about the giant sucking sound that would be heard in NAFTA passed. It just took longer than he anticipated. Reaganomics is slowly killing the national economy, and it is being accelerated by the fact that Nixon took us off the gold standard, so that not all of our currency is backed any longer. We have become a nation of borrowers, and freeloaders, such as those about to be bailed out because they elected an incompetent CEO, who will probably get a government paid bonus to get the hell out of his chair.
We bail out huge corporations, whose board members and executives run it into the ground, and Republicans are the first ones to say this bailout is needed. But that isn't the capitalist way. Capitalism states that supply and demand dictate, and if you can't cut the mustard, somebody else will.
Not anymore. Republicans and Democrats alike have become socialists...
But I'm basically an anarchist at heart, even though I usually vote Libertarian in Presidential elections...

I usually vote libertarian not only in presidential elections, but all the way down the ballot. I agree with your 2nd, 3rd, and 4th paragraphs, but I'm not sure I follow your first one.

I'm not sure why to blame Reagan and Reganomics for jobs going overseas. If anything, it seems to me that the way to keep jobs here is more, not less, emphasis on the supply side. We are borrowers as the inevitable result of consuming too much and saving too little of our income.

Perot opposed NAFTA, but not free trade. He had actually invested millions and called in a number of political favors to develop Alliance Airport as a duty free zone north of Fort Worth. Despite the sound bytes, the real reason for his opposition to NAFTA was that Alliance was a whole lot more desirable project without NAFTA than with it. I'm surprised that you, as a libertarian, are opposed to free trade.

We've lost lots of jobs overseas, but the only ones that can be attributed to NAFTA are those that:
1. Went to Canada or Mexico, and
2. Would not have left the US without NAFTA.

A large number of our lost jobs have been to places other than Canada or Mexico. NAFTA had nothing to do with those. A large number of the jobs lost to Canada or Mexico were never going to stay in the US; the impact of NAFTA was that those jobs went to Canada or Mexico instead of going to China or India. To the extent that relieves some of the illegal immigration pressure, that is a good thing.

True, we are becoming a nation of borrowers and freeloaders. I'm just not sure how you blame that on Reagan.

During the debates, Perot showed with flip charts the progression of businesses packing up shop and moving to Mexico, which happened to the West Virginia chemical industry shortly after the passage of NAFTA. He said there would be a "giant sucking sound heard round the world if NAFTA is passed." Look it up. West Virginia felt it immediately. There used to be 23 major chemical plants in the Kanawha Valley alone, including a major research center. Not anymore. There are only 6 (if they decide not to rebuild the one that recently blew up) or 7 left...

Ross Perot believed in free trade, but he didn't believe in NAFTA, since it provided no protections. Companies have moved outside the nation to avoid taxes, pay lower salaries with no benefit packages, preferring instead to go back to the days of the company store in the 3rd world. Also, our government has outsourced a lot of its work, and NOBODY that isn't an American citizen should be doing work for our government. For security reasons if for no other. But I don't think we should send out tax dollars to another country, when it could be benefitting our own people instead.

I could go on and on, but talking politics just upsets my stomach. Like I said, I think they should be shot just for wanting to be a politician in the first place. We should pick our political leaders by finding out who in this nation wants the job the least. Stick him with the job, and then tell him he can't quit until he does it right...