(04-22-2014 12:10 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  Maybe Aresco knows that the "autonomy agenda" is no threat to the AAC.

(04-22-2014 12:17 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  The decision was already made last year...even 2 years ago that you are part of the the G5. No contract bowl, no big TV contract.....3/4 of conference is from CUSA.

You were lucky to keep the BCS bid.

If you have your commissioner whine and complain, then it really doesn't look good. You can put your best face forward and see what you can do, because, the AAC and the MW or others have no control over what the P5 conferences do from this point on.

(04-22-2014 12:27 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  And there is the possibility that Aresco knows he won't be AAC commissioner forever. And when he goes looking for another job, those conferences will remember his support through this "autonomy vote". As fans our support will be fixed to the teams we care about. For these ADs and conference commissioners, it's just another job.

Only reason I can come up with unless the AAC's acquiescence is buying us special status in the whole process, which I doubt.

(04-22-2014 12:26 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(04-22-2014 12:17 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  The decision was already made last year...even 2 years ago that you are part of the the G5. No contract bowl, no big TV contract.....3/4 of conference is from CUSA.

You were lucky to keep the BCS bid.

If you have your commissioner whine and complain, then it really doesn't look good. You can put your best face forward and see what you can do, because, the AAC and the MW or others have no control over what the P5 conferences do from this point on.

Be sure to have Bob Kustra send us that check he owes us.

(04-22-2014 12:26 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(04-22-2014 12:17 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  The decision was already made last year...even 2 years ago that you are part of the the G5. No contract bowl, no big TV contract.....3/4 of conference is from CUSA.

You were lucky to keep the BCS bid.

If you have your commissioner whine and complain, then it really doesn't look good. You can put your best face forward and see what you can do, because, the AAC and the MW or others have no control over what the P5 conferences do from this point on.

Be sure to have Bob Kustra send us that check he owes us.

(04-22-2014 12:20 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  Aresco just knows that the P5 has no plans to include the American at the big boys table even if he makes a fuss. Short of litigation, his hands are tied. Even with litigation, if the American loses the lawsuit then the P5 teams will never play us again (thus marginalizing us).

It sort of is what it is. Our only course of action may be having signed petitions sent to our congressmen that declare that the P5 is in violation of antitrust laws. Even then, the issue will likely be ignored.

(04-22-2014 12:15 PM)FIUFan Wrote:  Guess what the SEC is voting on in their next meeting.....going to 9 conference games. Hmm, let's think about that; nine conference games will probably mean a bunch of 4-5 and 3-6 records in-conference, yet the SEC has 12 bowl tie-ins (prob. an exaggeration). How are they going to meet their obligations because there aint a lot of margin for error for those middling SEC schools who want to/must go bowling.

Solution: given autonomy, let's vote that any "P5" school with a 5-7 record or better will qualify for a bowl; because after all, we are P5.

Now this may be taking an issue to far, however, the point remains that once these P5's clear up their 'student athlete' house-cleaning where are they going to turn. That's right, they'll continue to make their house cushier and cushier at the expense of everyone else. I hate to use the 1% anology here but geez, making rules to 'insulate yourself' from competition just doesn't seem very American to me.

(04-22-2014 12:45 PM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  If the P5 threatened to leave, the rest of the D-1 should do the same now and be prepared to do just that. There is no longer the fear of being left without the P5, if this passes its already done. The have nots of D-1 have nothing to lose by setting out on their own. Create a new governing body, new tournaments, new rules that allow us to do what we have the means to do without limiting others that can follow suit if they choose too. If we have no recourse but to watch this pass, then why stay and do so? To what end?

(04-22-2014 12:56 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(04-22-2014 12:45 PM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  If the P5 threatened to leave, the rest of the D-1 should do the same now and be prepared to do just that. There is no longer the fear of being left without the P5, if this passes its already done. The have nots of D-1 have nothing to lose by setting out on their own. Create a new governing body, new tournaments, new rules that allow us to do what we have the means to do without limiting others that can follow suit if they choose too. If we have no recourse but to watch this pass, then why stay and do so? To what end?

A separate G5 would not have to beat them. Just carve out a niche that makes more than they make now.

Rule changes that reward success on the field no matter who you are and pooling TV contracts for leverage.

Main benefit being that you can do anything you want without having to worry about protecting their advantages.

This of course would be a last resort.

The G5 need to cooperate and unify or get steamrolled.

(04-22-2014 12:02 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  When will be hear Aresco/AAC powers that be SPEAK AND BE HEARD. Do not accept this second tier status laying down. Go down fighting. Please speak up against thiw power grab NOW.

(04-22-2014 01:05 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-22-2014 12:56 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(04-22-2014 12:45 PM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  If the P5 threatened to leave, the rest of the D-1 should do the same now and be prepared to do just that. There is no longer the fear of being left without the P5, if this passes its already done. The have nots of D-1 have nothing to lose by setting out on their own. Create a new governing body, new tournaments, new rules that allow us to do what we have the means to do without limiting others that can follow suit if they choose too. If we have no recourse but to watch this pass, then why stay and do so? To what end?

A separate G5 would not have to beat them. Just carve out a niche that makes more than they make now.

Rule changes that reward success on the field no matter who you are and pooling TV contracts for leverage.

Main benefit being that you can do anything you want without having to worry about protecting their advantages.

This of course would be a last resort.

The G5 need to cooperate and unify or get steamrolled.

The G5 will get steamrolled whether they are united or divided. The only hope is to be included in some way with the P5 when this actually becomes its own subdivision in a few years. Any separate G5 stand alone division will just be received by the general public as the new FCS. Hell, you would probably end up with a bunch of current FCS schools in any new G5 division---so that would just solidify the perception that its just FCS in the minds of the press and casual fans.

Right now, the best the G5 can hope for is to modify the existing proposal to make any changes adopted by the P5 "permissive" (meaning any G5 conference can adopt them if they wish). I'd like to see the elimination of weighted voting as well, since there is no real reason for the P5 to have weighted voting if they have autonomy over their 5 conferences.

(04-22-2014 01:05 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-22-2014 12:56 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(04-22-2014 12:45 PM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  If the P5 threatened to leave, the rest of the D-1 should do the same now and be prepared to do just that. There is no longer the fear of being left without the P5, if this passes its already done. The have nots of D-1 have nothing to lose by setting out on their own. Create a new governing body, new tournaments, new rules that allow us to do what we have the means to do without limiting others that can follow suit if they choose too. If we have no recourse but to watch this pass, then why stay and do so? To what end?

A separate G5 would not have to beat them. Just carve out a niche that makes more than they make now.

Rule changes that reward success on the field no matter who you are and pooling TV contracts for leverage.

Main benefit being that you can do anything you want without having to worry about protecting their advantages.

This of course would be a last resort.

The G5 need to cooperate and unify or get steamrolled.

The G5 will get steamrolled whether they are united or divided. The only hope is to be included in some way with the P5 when this actually becomes its own subdivision in a few years. Any separate G5 stand alone division will just be received by the general public as the new FCS. Hell, you would probably end up with a bunch of current FCS schools in any new G5 division---so that would just solidify the perception that its just FCS in the minds of the press and casual fans.

(04-22-2014 12:53 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(04-22-2014 12:15 PM)FIUFan Wrote:  Guess what the SEC is voting on in their next meeting.....going to 9 conference games. Hmm, let's think about that; nine conference games will probably mean a bunch of 4-5 and 3-6 records in-conference, yet the SEC has 12 bowl tie-ins (prob. an exaggeration). How are they going to meet their obligations because there aint a lot of margin for error for those middling SEC schools who want to/must go bowling.

Solution: given autonomy, let's vote that any "P5" school with a 5-7 record or better will qualify for a bowl; because after all, we are P5.

Now this may be taking an issue to far, however, the point remains that once these P5's clear up their 'student athlete' house-cleaning where are they going to turn. That's right, they'll continue to make their house cushier and cushier at the expense of everyone else. I hate to use the 1% anology here but geez, making rules to 'insulate yourself' from competition just doesn't seem very American to me.

Why is the MWC and CUSA going along with this power grab also.

I just don't get it how you willingly vote away your powers.

Why would anyone/any conference do that???