(04-27-2010 08:25 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  The travel alert from the Foreign Relations Department urges Mexicans in Arizona to “act with prudence and respect the framework of local laws.”

(04-27-2010 08:59 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(04-27-2010 08:25 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  The travel alert from the Foreign Relations Department urges Mexicans in Arizona to “act with prudence and respect the framework of local laws.”

That's laughable. First that people would need to be told to respect our laws and second that the government doing the telling is the same one who's main function seems to be helping it's people to break those same laws.

(04-27-2010 11:41 AM)I45owl Wrote:  This presumes that Mexican Travel Advisories are more effective than Mexican Border Patrol.

I will say that in my experience, Mexican immigrants are probably less likely to break municipal laws than the average American (excepting the obvious INS violations). Their kids (the US Citizens) may be another matter (in aggregate). As far as tourists and workers that come here lawfully (the audience of the travel alert), I consider many of those to be good friends and great people. Some of the comments above are very badly misplaced and blame the transgressions illegal immigrants on every Mexican citizen, which is just plain wrong.

(04-27-2010 11:41 AM)I45owl Wrote:  This presumes that Mexican Travel Advisories are more effective than Mexican Border Patrol.

I will say that in my experience, Mexican immigrants are probably less likely to break municipal laws than the average American (excepting the obvious INS violations). Their kids (the US Citizens) may be another matter (in aggregate). As far as tourists and workers that come here lawfully (the audience of the travel alert), I consider many of those to be good friends and great people. Some of the comments above are very badly misplaced and blame the transgressions illegal immigrants on every Mexican citizen, which is just plain wrong.

(04-27-2010 12:33 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(04-27-2010 11:41 AM)I45owl Wrote:  This presumes that Mexican Travel Advisories are more effective than Mexican Border Patrol.

I will say that in my experience, Mexican immigrants are probably less likely to break municipal laws than the average American (excepting the obvious INS violations). Their kids (the US Citizens) may be another matter (in aggregate). As far as tourists and workers that come here lawfully (the audience of the travel alert), I consider many of those to be good friends and great people. Some of the comments above are very badly misplaced and blame the transgressions illegal immigrants on every Mexican citizen, which is just plain wrong.

Since it says "all Mexican visitors", I'm not sure why you think it speaks to lawful tourists and workers. How many millions of illegals are here? I would think that's a large part of the target audience of this warning.

For my part, any comments I make are directed at the law breakers. Nothing I say in any of these multiple threads now is directed or meant to include any American citizen or immigrant here legally from any country of any ethnic background. All of my comments are squarely aimed at the 12 to 20 million people who need to go home, apply, and wait their turn in line.

By the way, An Arizona Sheriff this morning said 17% of the illegals have criminal records. That may be higher or lower than the general population, but it doesn't jive with the many posts that insist that criminal activities among illegals is low.

(04-27-2010 03:41 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

(04-27-2010 12:33 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(04-27-2010 11:41 AM)I45owl Wrote:  This presumes that Mexican Travel Advisories are more effective than Mexican Border Patrol.

I will say that in my experience, Mexican immigrants are probably less likely to break municipal laws than the average American (excepting the obvious INS violations). Their kids (the US Citizens) may be another matter (in aggregate). As far as tourists and workers that come here lawfully (the audience of the travel alert), I consider many of those to be good friends and great people. Some of the comments above are very badly misplaced and blame the transgressions illegal immigrants on every Mexican citizen, which is just plain wrong.

Since it says "all Mexican visitors", I'm not sure why you think it speaks to lawful tourists and workers. How many millions of illegals are here? I would think that's a large part of the target audience of this warning.

For my part, any comments I make are directed at the law breakers. Nothing I say in any of these multiple threads now is directed or meant to include any American citizen or immigrant here legally from any country of any ethnic background. All of my comments are squarely aimed at the 12 to 20 million people who need to go home, apply, and wait their turn in line.

By the way, An Arizona Sheriff this morning said 17% of the illegals have criminal records. That may be higher or lower than the general population, but it doesn't jive with the many posts that insist that criminal activities among illegals is low.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on the target of your comments, and note I didn't share your interpretation. (In fact, I think the primary target of their "alert" is Washington).

I'm surprised by that statistic (and assume it doesn't include INS violations). I don't ask who is here legally or not - some I do know came here legitimately for business, others I wonder about. Of course, I know plenty of Hispanics that have been here (Texas) for many decades - I can generally tell the difference between someone who is born in the US versus an immigrant.

(04-27-2010 09:11 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Mexico's real travel alert is probably telling the illegals to go to California instead.

(04-27-2010 08:34 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  I think that few, even in law enforcement, have any idea about the backgrounds of most of those here illegally. The only way they could possibly know is based on crimes committed here in the U.S. Pretty tough to do background checks on fake names and Mexico doesn't have extensive DBs on their citizens as they have here.

When you live underground, often your name isn't really your name, if you get my drift.