(05-24-2024 09:59 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(05-24-2024 08:09 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(05-24-2024 07:45 PM)Renegade is Stir Crazy Wrote:  What does everyone think that the end game for the ACC schools that are not FSU/Clemson/UNC?

What I mean specifically is even if the ACC refuses to settle, beats FSU/Clemson in Court, and convinces ESPN to extend their deal to 2036 before the 2025 deadline (the "look-in" as Phillips likes to falsely state), all that means is FSU/Clemson have to hold longer to leave. They will leave at some point, whether it is now, 2027, 2030, or 2036. Once they leave, bye bye ESPN deal.

So, the question is, what is the ACC gameplan here long term? More specifically is what is Wake/Pitt/Syracuse/BC and others planning?

I have never understood their logic in any of this. They have to realize their options are very limited, and they have alienated FSU/Clemson. At some point the end is coming, they have to know that no matter what happens with this lawsuit.

A university is a big place with lots of buildings and staff that serve a lot of students.


'Surely.'

Universities have a way of not going anywhere. We talk about schools like they move around, but they don't. And they have great resources, including regiments of donors and lawyers.

The simple answer to your question is that the ACC will exist as long as a group of universities finds its existence useful. Membership is due to hit 18 schools soon. The conference could lose half a dozen of those and remain useful—both to the schools that remain and to schools still looking to join an M2 league with playoff access.

My own impression is that as long as ND is interested in the ACC project, a media partner will be too and the league will continue in some form. As it happens, two very influential universities in California find the ACC project useful, too, as do a battalion of politicians in the state of North Carolina.

As long as someone finds it useful it will be around.



IMO, this thread needlessly duplicates discussion going on in 2 or 3 other active threads. Can our deathless prose be folded into 'What if Clemson, FSU and UNC leave?' or some such?

You’re Kareem Abdul Jabaar!
No kid, my name is Murdoch.

Hollywood suck...they can't make movies like this anymore.

(05-25-2024 02:31 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(05-24-2024 09:59 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(05-24-2024 08:09 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(05-24-2024 07:45 PM)Renegade is Stir Crazy Wrote:  What does everyone think that the end game for the ACC schools that are not FSU/Clemson/UNC?

What I mean specifically is even if the ACC refuses to settle, beats FSU/Clemson in Court, and convinces ESPN to extend their deal to 2036 before the 2025 deadline (the "look-in" as Phillips likes to falsely state), all that means is FSU/Clemson have to hold longer to leave. They will leave at some point, whether it is now, 2027, 2030, or 2036. Once they leave, bye bye ESPN deal.

So, the question is, what is the ACC gameplan here long term? More specifically is what is Wake/Pitt/Syracuse/BC and others planning?

I have never understood their logic in any of this. They have to realize their options are very limited, and they have alienated FSU/Clemson. At some point the end is coming, they have to know that no matter what happens with this lawsuit.

A university is a big place with lots of buildings and staff that serve a lot of students.


'Surely.'

Universities have a way of not going anywhere. We talk about schools like they move around, but they don't. And they have great resources, including regiments of donors and lawyers.

The simple answer to your question is that the ACC will exist as long as a group of universities finds its existence useful. Membership is due to hit 18 schools soon. The conference could lose half a dozen of those and remain useful—both to the schools that remain and to schools still looking to join an M2 league with playoff access.

My own impression is that as long as ND is interested in the ACC project, a media partner will be too and the league will continue in some form. As it happens, two very influential universities in California find the ACC project useful, too, as do a battalion of politicians in the state of North Carolina.

As long as someone finds it useful it will be around.



IMO, this thread needlessly duplicates discussion going on in 2 or 3 other active threads. Can our deathless prose be folded into 'What if Clemson, FSU and UNC leave?' or some such?

You’re Kareem Abdul Jabaar!
No kid, my name is Murdoch.

Hollywood suck...they can't make movies like this anymore.

Hollywood does suck now. I have faith they will return to the glorious 70s and 80s mindset soon. Why? American Jews are leaning more and more right. They are smart and can see through the left-wing nonsense that is costing them domestic box offices. There was zero need to kill the white male-led PG13/R-rated comedy but the left wing completely wiped this entire genre out (Airplane, Naked Gun, Austin Powers, Dumb and Dumber, Ace Ventura, Chevy Chase Vacation series, Animal House, Porky's, Stripes, ect.).

It was none other than Jerry Seinfeld the other day who recently said on his podcast, "funny is funny and politics is something different. Richard Pryor, Carlin and so many other Mt. Rushmore comedians wouldn't even get to perform their act today."

(05-25-2024 02:51 PM)YeahNirvana Wrote:  

(05-25-2024 02:31 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(05-24-2024 09:59 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(05-24-2024 08:09 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(05-24-2024 07:45 PM)Renegade is Stir Crazy Wrote:  What does everyone think that the end game for the ACC schools that are not FSU/Clemson/UNC?

What I mean specifically is even if the ACC refuses to settle, beats FSU/Clemson in Court, and convinces ESPN to extend their deal to 2036 before the 2025 deadline (the "look-in" as Phillips likes to falsely state), all that means is FSU/Clemson have to hold longer to leave. They will leave at some point, whether it is now, 2027, 2030, or 2036. Once they leave, bye bye ESPN deal.

So, the question is, what is the ACC gameplan here long term? More specifically is what is Wake/Pitt/Syracuse/BC and others planning?

I have never understood their logic in any of this. They have to realize their options are very limited, and they have alienated FSU/Clemson. At some point the end is coming, they have to know that no matter what happens with this lawsuit.

A university is a big place with lots of buildings and staff that serve a lot of students.


'Surely.'

Universities have a way of not going anywhere. We talk about schools like they move around, but they don't. And they have great resources, including regiments of donors and lawyers.

The simple answer to your question is that the ACC will exist as long as a group of universities finds its existence useful. Membership is due to hit 18 schools soon. The conference could lose half a dozen of those and remain useful—both to the schools that remain and to schools still looking to join an M2 league with playoff access.

My own impression is that as long as ND is interested in the ACC project, a media partner will be too and the league will continue in some form. As it happens, two very influential universities in California find the ACC project useful, too, as do a battalion of politicians in the state of North Carolina.

As long as someone finds it useful it will be around.



IMO, this thread needlessly duplicates discussion going on in 2 or 3 other active threads. Can our deathless prose be folded into 'What if Clemson, FSU and UNC leave?' or some such?

You’re Kareem Abdul Jabaar!
No kid, my name is Murdoch.

Hollywood suck...they can't make movies like this anymore.

Hollywood does suck now. I have faith they will return to the glorious 70s and 80s mindset soon. Why? American Jews are leaning more and more right. They are smart and can see through the left-wing nonsense that is costing them domestic box offices. There was zero need to kill the white male-led PG13/R-rated comedy but the left wing completely wiped this entire genre out (Airplane, Naked Gun, Austin Powers, Dumb and Dumber, Ace Ventura, Chevy Chase Vacation series, Animal House, Porky's, Stripes, ect.).

It was none other than Jerry Seinfeld the other day who recently said on his podcast, "funny is funny and politics is something different. Richard Pryor, Carlin and so many other Mt. Rushmore comedians wouldn't even get to perform their act today."

Eddie Murphy saw it coming and stopped. A reminder this is wandering off into a forbidden field on this forum, politics. The College Sports and Conference Realignment forum is to be a politically free zone. No exceptions.

As to the death of films which were funny, that happens anytime that people lose the humility and ability required to laugh at themselves. It just seems obvious to me that a generation raised to believe that they could do no wrong would lack the capacity for self deprecating humor. It is one of the things I appreciate about Bill Dazzle. Laughing at yourself diffuses needless arguments, allows you to rationally admit your foibles, and gets you off of the superiority pedestal so many like to mount. It's one reason I still like the medieval pillory. Elevate the self-important and then toss the iconoclastic tomatoes at them! Priceless.

When my wife and I have had a bum time of it in our old age we put "Young Frankenstein" in the DVD and remember how much fun life could be!
"Wait! I was about to make expresso!"

(05-25-2024 02:20 PM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(05-25-2024 11:45 AM)Formerluerker_redbirdfan Wrote:  

(05-25-2024 11:36 AM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(05-25-2024 11:26 AM)Formerluerker_redbirdfan Wrote:  I frankly have no idea what these acc dooms days posts are about, it makes no sense. Let's look at actual history to guide us:

1. Cal and stanford were NOT added to the big ten and ou and ut were added to the sec with ZERO tag alongs. You can only reasonably come to the conclusion that the standard for being added to the sec and big ten are extremely high.

2. Using this logic, only fsu, clemson, unc, and miami are additive.

3. Here my theory out unc, clemson, fsu to sec and miami to big... in this scenario both conferences need a tag along for even numbers (these tag alongs are not additive but in combo withe their add aren't diluting the pot), let's say it's nc state for sec and gt for big ten.

4. That still leaves stan, cal, smu, Syracuse, bc, Pitt, louis, VT, uva, duke, and wake (plus nd oly sports). That's strong enough to match the big 12, even discluding the GOR, the exit fees are way too high to justify a move.

5. Uconn and USF are obvious and respectable adds that aren't really going to hurt the league at all. Memphis and Tulane aren't awful adds either. The league could go west with the pac 2 or sdsu as well.

In short the demise of the ACC is just not going to happen, it's simply a fantasy.

To make such comments while ignoring the money realities is more than fantasy, it's delusion.

The money will match. I'm so confident in what I've said in its entirety that I don't feel compelled to elaborate further.

That right there is the delusion. The ACC cannot match. Its contractually bound until 2036, so the only significant increases the ACC will have each year are the yearly escalator increases in its ESPN media rights contract, which are woefully low and underappreciated on this board as to how bad that is for the ACC, and income increases from the ACC Network. If FSU and Clemson leave, the best, though most likely, outcome is the contract with ESPN stays the same, but if over four schools leave then the ACC could be looking at a substantial hit to its income from both the ESPN media rights contract and the ACC Network.

The point is the ACC cannot match the Big 12(16) for the next TWELVE YEARS, and that is why it is in serious trouble.

I'm very aware of the considerations you have laid out. I'm still 100% sure of what I said. If you think anyone is paying $100 million for a slight payout increase for a handful of years then you are welcome to believe that. You are also welcome to think im delusional. I can't stop you.

(05-24-2024 09:59 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(05-24-2024 08:09 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(05-24-2024 07:45 PM)Renegade is Stir Crazy Wrote:  What does everyone think that the end game for the ACC schools that are not FSU/Clemson/UNC?

What I mean specifically is even if the ACC refuses to settle, beats FSU/Clemson in Court, and convinces ESPN to extend their deal to 2036 before the 2025 deadline (the "look-in" as Phillips likes to falsely state), all that means is FSU/Clemson have to hold longer to leave. They will leave at some point, whether it is now, 2027, 2030, or 2036. Once they leave, bye bye ESPN deal.

So, the question is, what is the ACC gameplan here long term? More specifically is what is Wake/Pitt/Syracuse/BC and others planning?

I have never understood their logic in any of this. They have to realize their options are very limited, and they have alienated FSU/Clemson. At some point the end is coming, they have to know that no matter what happens with this lawsuit.

A university is a big place with lots of buildings and staff that serve a lot of students.


'Surely.'

Universities have a way of not going anywhere. We talk about schools like they move around, but they don't. And they have great resources, including regiments of donors and lawyers.

The simple answer to your question is that the ACC will exist as long as a group of universities finds its existence useful. Membership is due to hit 18 schools soon. The conference could lose half a dozen of those and remain useful—both to the schools that remain and to schools still looking to join an M2 league with playoff access.

My own impression is that as long as ND is interested in the ACC project, a media partner will be too and the league will continue in some form. As it happens, two very influential universities in California find the ACC project useful, too, as do a battalion of politicians in the state of North Carolina.

As long as someone finds it useful it will be around.



IMO, this thread needlessly duplicates discussion going on in 2 or 3 other active threads. Can our deathless prose be folded into 'What if Clemson, FSU and UNC leave?' or some such?

You’re Kareem Abdul Jabaar!
No kid, my name is Murdoch.

I'm out there busting my butt every night.

Tell your old man to drag Walton and Lanier up and down the court for 48 minutes.

Don’t call me Shirley

(05-25-2024 03:28 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-25-2024 02:51 PM)YeahNirvana Wrote:  

(05-25-2024 02:31 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(05-24-2024 09:59 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(05-24-2024 08:09 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  A university is a big place with lots of buildings and staff that serve a lot of students.


'Surely.'

Universities have a way of not going anywhere. We talk about schools like they move around, but they don't. And they have great resources, including regiments of donors and lawyers.

The simple answer to your question is that the ACC will exist as long as a group of universities finds its existence useful. Membership is due to hit 18 schools soon. The conference could lose half a dozen of those and remain useful—both to the schools that remain and to schools still looking to join an M2 league with playoff access.

My own impression is that as long as ND is interested in the ACC project, a media partner will be too and the league will continue in some form. As it happens, two very influential universities in California find the ACC project useful, too, as do a battalion of politicians in the state of North Carolina.

As long as someone finds it useful it will be around.



IMO, this thread needlessly duplicates discussion going on in 2 or 3 other active threads. Can our deathless prose be folded into 'What if Clemson, FSU and UNC leave?' or some such?

You’re Kareem Abdul Jabaar!
No kid, my name is Murdoch.

Hollywood suck...they can't make movies like this anymore.

Hollywood does suck now. I have faith they will return to the glorious 70s and 80s mindset soon. Why? American Jews are leaning more and more right. They are smart and can see through the left-wing nonsense that is costing them domestic box offices. There was zero need to kill the white male-led PG13/R-rated comedy but the left wing completely wiped this entire genre out (Airplane, Naked Gun, Austin Powers, Dumb and Dumber, Ace Ventura, Chevy Chase Vacation series, Animal House, Porky's, Stripes, ect.).

It was none other than Jerry Seinfeld the other day who recently said on his podcast, "funny is funny and politics is something different. Richard Pryor, Carlin and so many other Mt. Rushmore comedians wouldn't even get to perform their act today."

Eddie Murphy saw it coming and stopped. A reminder this is wandering off into a forbidden field on this forum, politics. The College Sports and Conference Realignment forum is to be a politically free zone. No exceptions.

As to the death of films which were funny, that happens anytime that people lose the humility and ability required to laugh at themselves. It just seems obvious to me that a generation raised to believe that they could do no wrong would lack the capacity for self deprecating humor. It is one of the things I appreciate about Bill Dazzle. Laughing at yourself diffuses needless arguments, allows you to rationally admit your foibles, and gets you off of the superiority pedestal so many like to mount. It's one reason I still like the medieval pillory. Elevate the self-important and then toss the iconoclastic tomatoes at them! Priceless.

When my wife and I have had a bum time of it in our old age we put "Young Frankenstein" in the DVD and remember how much fun life could be!
"Wait! I was about to make expresso!"

Big question: what do old classic humor movies have to do with college sports?? I don't mind discussing them, but this, like politics, really isn't the forum for that either. That's what the Sports Bar was created for, or so I thought.

(05-25-2024 07:37 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(05-25-2024 03:28 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-25-2024 02:51 PM)YeahNirvana Wrote:  

(05-25-2024 02:31 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(05-24-2024 09:59 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  You’re Kareem Abdul Jabaar!
No kid, my name is Murdoch.

Hollywood suck...they can't make movies like this anymore.

Hollywood does suck now. I have faith they will return to the glorious 70s and 80s mindset soon. Why? American Jews are leaning more and more right. They are smart and can see through the left-wing nonsense that is costing them domestic box offices. There was zero need to kill the white male-led PG13/R-rated comedy but the left wing completely wiped this entire genre out (Airplane, Naked Gun, Austin Powers, Dumb and Dumber, Ace Ventura, Chevy Chase Vacation series, Animal House, Porky's, Stripes, ect.).

It was none other than Jerry Seinfeld the other day who recently said on his podcast, "funny is funny and politics is something different. Richard Pryor, Carlin and so many other Mt. Rushmore comedians wouldn't even get to perform their act today."

Eddie Murphy saw it coming and stopped. A reminder this is wandering off into a forbidden field on this forum, politics. The College Sports and Conference Realignment forum is to be a politically free zone. No exceptions.

As to the death of films which were funny, that happens anytime that people lose the humility and ability required to laugh at themselves. It just seems obvious to me that a generation raised to believe that they could do no wrong would lack the capacity for self deprecating humor. It is one of the things I appreciate about Bill Dazzle. Laughing at yourself diffuses needless arguments, allows you to rationally admit your foibles, and gets you off of the superiority pedestal so many like to mount. It's one reason I still like the medieval pillory. Elevate the self-important and then toss the iconoclastic tomatoes at them! Priceless.

When my wife and I have had a bum time of it in our old age we put "Young Frankenstein" in the DVD and remember how much fun life could be!
"Wait! I was about to make expresso!"

Big question: what do old classic humor movies have to do with college sports?? I don't mind discussing them, but this, like politics, really isn't the forum for that either. That's what the Sports Bar was created for, or so I thought.

The Waterboy

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