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RE: Outkick Proposed CFB Football 70-Team Super League
(04-19-2024 01:27 PM)HarborPointe Wrote:  
(04-19-2024 01:22 AM)Unknownghost Wrote:  My thing is with these types of proposals is that the group of five group always feels like people are just ******* throwing out Random names just to sound good on paper, despite the fact that they have in this scenario New Mexico State, UNLV, and Miami of Ohio in this group when all reality, you’re probably just going to be seeing like mostly Sun Belt top American, and a few mountain west schools in there (normally the best schools). Furthermore, if the group format is implying that only the under league teams are ever going to face relegation then what’s the ******* point? Unless you’re basically going to give group of five schools serious cash considerations to where when they go there and get compensated for playing at a higher level I generally don’t think the group of five, even if this was gonna be the case should really give this any serious consideration.


Like I’m gonna put my bias out there, but coastal Carolina is a top ten G5 team, easy but according to this, it wouldn’t matter because other schools for must see the Mac or conference USA need to get some representation, despite being inferior competition

Therein lies the rub. “They clearly should include us, by why on earth should they include them?”

Everybody wants the door open until the moment they cross the threshold, then it’s f*** anybody else who’s still outside.
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It’s to separate first class from coach.

I’d like that closed please.
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RE: Outkick Proposed CFB Football 70-Team Super League
(04-19-2024 01:27 PM)Porcine Wrote:  
(04-19-2024 09:38 AM)OsageJ Wrote:  One of our fans found some Jonesboro Sun newspapers from 1975. It was our first year in D1 and also a 11-0 year. Hid Dad was also on the team I believe. He started a Facebook page with articles from them. One article talked of a Super league being formed. Another mentioned the budget of Penn St and ours. Penn St's was 3 million and stAte was a half a million. I think this was just football. Point is the difference and almost 50 years later nothing has changed. They are talking leaving and they spend a lot more money than we do. You young guys in 50 years when you discuss this topic I believe our schools will still be chasing. Maybe its my age but I am getting tired of chasing these guys. We won't catch them.

Yeah, everybody keeps getting played, yet they keep coming back for more. I don't get it.

I keep seeing NIL solicitations declaring that if “we don’t keep up, we’ll be left behind.” You know what, go ahead and leave us behind at this point. I don’t have a whole lot of interest in whatever in the hell we’re trying to keep up with.

I’m rolling into a NIL-specific tangent, but as I’ve said before, I’m 100% in favor of college athletes organically making money on the side: merch, autographs, endorsements…go for it. Make use of your celebrity, young man or woman. But that ought to be between the athlete and whoever seeks to contract their services. This “create a big tip jar and then go find stuff for the team to do” model is beyond stupid. I’ve contributed well into thousands over the years in scholarship support. Now *I* have to pay extra to entice somebody to utilize it? Nah, bruh. Go find another mark.
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RE: Outkick Proposed CFB Football 70-Team Super League
(04-18-2024 10:00 PM)MUther Wrote:  
(04-18-2024 04:10 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  Again.. no more playing the SEC or BIG-Ten teams.. EVER!

That should be the mantra for every team.

The ratings will collapse so hard, the SEC and BIG-Ten will be steamrolled in a heartbeat.

Gimme some big-xii/acc teams that are still likely to kick our butts due to having facilities and advantages.. but SEC and BiG Ten.. nope, you guys go enjoy your circlejerk.

You guys are always sniffing out the big paychecks from the SEC teams. I get the sentiment, but as long as our schools are broke they will play who they have to. This new format would seem to cut off that source of funding by eliminating bodybag games and offering home and homes to the temporary select few. No payouts with return games or they offset if money is involved.

But the SEC and Big Ten would have to do that since they will be likely losing 2 extra home games each season, moving to a 6-6 home and away schedule. I suppose the 7th team in each division would schedule "other" G5 teams, since there wouldn't be anyone else to play, in a 3 home and 3 away format.

This would also ensure that no "power" team ever lost to an FCS school ever again.

Turn the clock back.

In 1973 the first Division-wide limit on scholarships at 105 was imposed. Before that it was whatever your wanted. If you wanted to put 120 on scholarship, so be it. You had conferences that capped at 85 or 80 or 75 or 70 or even 0 all playing Division I. Until 2003 if you so desired you could play (though not well) in FBS with 60 scholarships if you wanted.

Until the TV money took off after Penn State and South Carolina left football independence and Arkansas left the SWC in 1989 you didn't have a lot of zipping across the country for a big dang check.

1976 USM (after being a vagabond during stadium renovations that had them playing home games in Jackson, New Orleans, Mobile, and Biloxi) played exactly one opponent on the road who didn't have a contract to come to MM Roberts at some point (which was the case in 1975 as well). Alabama which was basically a standing game. That same year, Arkansas State played one that wasn't home/home, a game against NW State (La), same for Louisiana who also played NW State.

It is crazy to me that I have seen football writers talk about that era and call it "The Golden Age of College Football". The golden age was a time when LSU bought two home games. Pac-8 member Oregon State and WAC member Utah and played Rice on a 2 for 1. National champion Pitt bought one game, Louisville and played Miami (FL) 2 for 1.

1976 MAC champion Ball State did not play any "power" school and everything was home/home. Memphis played several "power" schools part of contracts that brought them to Memphis.

It was the schools having to keep up with USC, Arizona State, BYU, Texas who were selling out to get a check. The poor folk mostly played each other.

Someone posted on Facebook an article from around 1975 talking of how the rich schools might break away. Article noted that at the low end you had A-State spending $750,000 on athletics while up top you had Penn State spending $3.2 million.

The multiplier more in spending is still pretty close to what it was then, what has changed is that to get that ratio now requires greater reliance on game guarantees, university money, and student fees by the poor folks.

Hey some G5 now spend $2 million on a football coach and every P5 pays more so it starts to smell like a big spend not to retain talent but to market the idea the school "is serious" about football.

Arkansas paid Frank Broyles twice as much as A-State paid Bill Davidson and Broyles was doing double duty as AD, now Arkansas pays Sam Pittman 6 times as much as A-State pays Butch Jones. That feels like a loss for Arkansas vs the golden era.

With NIL or without NIL there are going to 11,390 FBS scholarship players. NIL, like brand names, facilities, etc., before will determine how that talent is allocated but doesn't change the pool. About half those spots are going to be with the wealthy schools and the G5 mostly is picking from what's left.

In the golden era, university leaders understood that equation and didn't spend crazy money. There's probably not a school out there that can't run their program on less guarantee money and less university money and less student money but as long as the hope of climbing the ladder exists, few will have the courage to do so.

Once SEC and Big Ten extract the useful value from ACC and ACC has done its backfill, one would hope that common sense might poke its head back up again from it's long vacation and people will gather that there are no more golden tickets to SEC and Big Ten and then it will dawn on people there are no more silver tickets to Big XII and ACC and spending beyond reasonable amounts to get those tickets no longer makes sense and we settle into a new period of stability.
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RE: Outkick Proposed CFB Football 70-Team Super League
(04-19-2024 01:27 PM)HarborPointe Wrote:  
(04-19-2024 01:22 AM)Unknownghost Wrote:  My thing is with these types of proposals is that the group of five group always feels like people are just ******* throwing out Random names just to sound good on paper, despite the fact that they have in this scenario New Mexico State, UNLV, and Miami of Ohio in this group when all reality, you’re probably just going to be seeing like mostly Sun Belt top American, and a few mountain west schools in there (normally the best schools). Furthermore, if the group format is implying that only the under league teams are ever going to face relegation then what’s the ******* point? Unless you’re basically going to give group of five schools serious cash considerations to where when they go there and get compensated for playing at a higher level I generally don’t think the group of five, even if this was gonna be the case should really give this any serious consideration.


Like I’m gonna put my bias out there, but coastal Carolina is a top ten G5 team, easy but according to this, it wouldn’t matter because other schools for must see the Mac or conference USA need to get some representation, despite being inferior competition

Therein lies the rub. “They clearly should include us, by why on earth should they include them?”

Everybody wants the door open until the moment they cross the threshold, then it’s f*** anybody else who’s still outside.

That’s not the case for me the issue I have with the league in how the group of five is treated is the fact that certain schools get a pass based off of brand or the “fairness factor“ when in reality (Iron out some issues here and there) and honestly coastal Carolina is on a pretty good tier of competition, better than NMST etc. I see this all the time on Reddit and what not but if you’re taking the last three years into account (and really the entire program history) coastal Carolinas a winning brand; we shouldn’t just be on the outside looking in any relegation discussions. again, we have the best group of five league top the bottom (or at the bare minimum the deepest group of five league) the idea that some of our schools should just be left out because let’s say New Mexico state had a good year in a really bad league is beyond ridiculous.
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(04-17-2024 08:36 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  More material for sport fans to digest.

https://www.outkick.com/sports/college-f...slide-leak

Any MAC or CUSA team outside of Liberty is a joke. I don't know what the Belt has to do at this point to change the narrative but this conference has been killing it lately. Only G5 with a winning OOC and cant get but one team on that list lol.
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(04-21-2024 08:59 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(04-17-2024 08:36 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  More material for sport fans to digest.

https://www.outkick.com/sports/college-f...slide-leak

Any MAC or CUSA team outside of Liberty is a joke. I don't know what the Belt has to do at this point to change the narrative but this conference has been killing it lately. Only G5 with a winning OOC and cant get but one team on that list lol.

Have a unilateral narrative be made about the superiority of the conference compared to others from coaches. It gotta be top down, like the commissioner needs to preach it and the coaches have to back it up
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RE: Outkick Proposed CFB Football 70-Team Super League
(04-21-2024 08:59 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(04-17-2024 08:36 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  More material for sport fans to digest.

https://www.outkick.com/sports/college-f...slide-leak

Any MAC or CUSA team outside of Liberty is a joke. I don't know what the Belt has to do at this point to change the narrative but this conference has been killing it lately. Only G5 with a winning OOC and cant get but one team on that list lol.

We have 2 there, JMU & Troy, just like the other G5s. As I mentioned earlier, that may be the design and not just a coincidence.
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(04-21-2024 08:59 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(04-17-2024 08:36 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  More material for sport fans to digest.

https://www.outkick.com/sports/college-f...slide-leak

Any MAC or CUSA team outside of Liberty is a joke. I don't know what the Belt has to do at this point to change the narrative but this conference has been killing it lately. Only G5 with a winning OOC and cant get but one team on that list lol.

Remember, that list was formed by some dude as an example. Not all football fans know or even care about the Sun Belt and what they've been up to lately or anyone on that list, frankly. He just picked some teams off last years rankings to make his graph. It may take years of being the best before it trickles down to the average Joe that we are. I mean for two decades we've just seen the Sun Belt as the lowest conference on the list, year in and year out. I still find it hard to believe we've come so far so fast.

Give the fans of football some time to adjust. It's why it's so important we don't let up an inch and keeping knocking the snot out of OOC teams and taking P5 scalps every year. The people that engage on a multi-team sports board like this know all of college football. Many engaged fan are ignorant of anything past their own favorite team and to them no one else matters anyway. I mean I've talked to Marshall fans that can't name another team in our conference, let alone all of them. Some don't even know what conference we're in anymore or how good it is. Guys on this board can name every team in every conference and some or all of FCS. But if their beloved SEC team loses to us enough times they will start to notice. There are fans of some schools out there that do know exactly who we are. My guess is the Virginia P5s regret ever signing deals with the Belt schools. A&M and Notre Dame fans know exactly who we are. Michigan fans have known for quite some time. Hopefully some more are about to find out.
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There were a few folks talking Saturday about UK refusing to play The Herd because they already have enough losses in conference and don't want another one
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(04-21-2024 08:44 PM)MUther Wrote:  
(04-21-2024 08:59 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(04-17-2024 08:36 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  More material for sport fans to digest.

https://www.outkick.com/sports/college-f...slide-leak

Any MAC or CUSA team outside of Liberty is a joke. I don't know what the Belt has to do at this point to change the narrative but this conference has been killing it lately. Only G5 with a winning OOC and cant get but one team on that list lol.

Remember, that list was formed by some dude as an example. Not all football fans know or even care about the Sun Belt and what they've been up to lately or anyone on that list, frankly. He just picked some teams off last years rankings to make his graph. It may take years of being the best before it trickles down to the average Joe that we are. I mean for two decades we've just seen the Sun Belt as the lowest conference on the list, year in and year out. I still find it hard to believe we've come so far so fast.

Give the fans of football some time to adjust. It's why it's so important we don't let up an inch and keeping knocking the snot out of OOC teams and taking P5 scalps every year. The people that engage on a multi-team sports board like this know all of college football. Many engaged fan are ignorant of anything past their own favorite team and to them no one else matters anyway. I mean I've talked to Marshall fans that can't name another team in our conference, let alone all of them. Some don't even know what conference we're in anymore or how good it is. Guys on this board can name every team in every conference and some or all of FCS. But if their beloved SEC team loses to us enough times they will start to notice. There are fans of some schools out there that do know exactly who we are. My guess is the Virginia P5s regret ever signing deals with the Belt schools. A&M and Notre Dame fans know exactly who we are. Michigan fans have known for quite some time. Hopefully some more are about to find out.

And why we stick together and not let realignment "dreams" ruin a good thing.
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(04-21-2024 02:22 PM)Unknownghost Wrote:  
(04-21-2024 08:59 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(04-17-2024 08:36 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  More material for sport fans to digest.

https://www.outkick.com/sports/college-f...slide-leak

Any MAC or CUSA team outside of Liberty is a joke. I don't know what the Belt has to do at this point to change the narrative but this conference has been killing it lately. Only G5 with a winning OOC and cant get but one team on that list lol.

Have a unilateral narrative be made about the superiority of the conference compared to others from coaches. It gotta be top down, like the commissioner needs to preach it and the coaches have to back it up

You mean something like "P6"? Aresco knew how to brand his conference and dictate the narrative if nothing else.
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With this unregulated free agency of endless NIL money that the P5 enjoys if they really want this exclusive status I’m fine with P5s being required to cap scholarships at 75 while G5 can keep 85.

That way P5s can stop luring quality G5 players into the portal with the idea that they’re going to get a good payday only to sit on 3rd string. That would be ~700 more quality players that could be in G5.
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