(04-17-2024 07:38 PM)boss man Wrote:  What will be truly hilarious is watching all 215 Democrat Congressional Reps vote to KEEP Johnson as SOH. It would only require 7 Republication votes to retain Johnson.

Dems will not vote to keep Johnson as Speaker.

(04-18-2024 12:21 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Why can't republicans put together a package of what they can support and pass it? They have no leaders.

They have lots of leaders. They just don’t have enough followers. Too many independent-thinking people whose lives are not utterly consumed by politics, and who are not willing to blindly follow partisan orders sent down the chain of command. The Dems get a few like that, too, of course, but not nearly as often.

Losers on the right are going to say they'd rather get rid of Johnson and if that means we get lunatic Hakeem Jefferies, so be it (same sh!t they whined about last year).

These people were apparently dropped on their heads as infants. Dummies.

(04-18-2024 12:21 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Why can't republicans put together a package of what they can support and pass it? They have no leaders.

I despise Pelosi and Schumer, but I do admire the way they lead their troops. Maybe they use threats of Arkancide.

Yup. With just a two vote majority, it’s much easier to fire Johnson than it will be to elect a new Republican Speaker. Firing him is easy because the motion can leverage the big Democrat anti-Johnson vote. On the other hand, replacing Johnson with a Republican will require overcoming that same big Democrat voting block. In other words, electing a new Republican Speaker will require a near unanimous vote by the Republicans as losing just 2 votes would sink a potential candidate.

I doubt Republicans could get on the same page to ever replace Johnson—-and if they finally do—-I suspect the compromise candidate would be considered an improvement over the current Speaker.

(04-18-2024 06:03 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  It already is 5-6 parties.

Exactly what I said just above you.

Quote:The Republicans need to disband the party and regroup into the 5 or 6 different parties they really are.

I still dont understand why Johnson---even at this point in the process---didnt just add a provision into the bill that would require either asylum seekers stay in Mexico or add additional border security funds for more wall and additional border guards. The Democrats were getting everything else they wanted and time was becoming a problem for getting aide to Israel and Ukraine. I dont think the Democrats would have been in a position to reject the bill. Instead---Johnson simply waved the white flag and unconditionally surrendered. He's apparently far too naive to be Speaker.

That twit MTG and her proposed amendment requiring anyone who votes for Ukraine aid has to volunteer to be conscripted into the Ukrainian military shows these are not serious people. We are dealing with the screedy petulant AOC bartender in chief on the right.

(04-18-2024 12:22 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-18-2024 06:03 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  It already is 5-6 parties.

Exactly what I said just above you.

Quote:The Republicans need to disband the party and regroup into the 5 or 6 different parties they really are.

and why would further division be worthy of any consideration...

I prefer total fail as best method at this point...

(04-18-2024 10:15 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-18-2024 12:21 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Why can't republicans put together a package of what they can support and pass it? They have no leaders.

I despise Pelosi and Schumer, but I do admire the way they lead their troops. Maybe they use threats of Arkancide.

Yup. With just a two vote majority, it’s much easier to fire Johnson than it will be to elect a new Republican Speaker. Firing him is easy because the motion can leverage the big Democrat anti-Johnson vote. On the other hand, replacing Johnson with a Republican will require overcoming that same big Democrat voting block. In other words, electing a new Republican Speaker will require a near unanimous vote by the Republicans as losing just 2 votes would sink a potential candidate.

I doubt Republicans could get on the same page to ever replace Johnson—-and if they finally do—-I suspect the compromise candidate would be considered an improvement over the current Speaker.

If they dump Johnson the speaker's seat will remain vacant through the November elections. The Left would be fine if it sat vacant and nothing happens in the house. They will coast to winning the majority back.

The dumb ass party.

(04-18-2024 02:28 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(04-18-2024 12:22 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-18-2024 06:03 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  It already is 5-6 parties.

Exactly what I said just above you.

Quote:The Republicans need to disband the party and regroup into the 5 or 6 different parties they really are.

and why would further division be worthy of any consideration...

I prefer total fail as best method at this point...

Oh hell, I was being facetious. They would never do that. I was simply pointing out why they can never agree on anything, and how stupid their concept of "party" actually is.

You must have forgotten, I have advocated the complete demise of both parties ever since I showed up here, and for many years before that.

(04-17-2024 03:04 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  It makes little sense this year to concentrate on fighting an issue like Ukrainian aid---when well over 50% of the nation is for Ukrainian aid (including nearly half of Republicans). As many know---Im a Republican that supports Ukrainian aid.

Wow.. Coog then I'm going to say you're in the stance that is actually in the minority. every poll i've seen has been winning with the option of "STOP GIVING UKRAINE MONEY"..

I don't know a single Republican in my area (and I've just started meeting quite a few, new St. Louis meeting next Thursday!!), who are in favor of one dime going to the Ukraine, although i could probably find a few in the crowd.

Ironically a lot of them are even more anti-israel getting any more money.. but I will admit some of these St. Louis Republicans and their comments have me a little scared..


They've seen what Zelenski and his co-horts spent the last batches on.. and they've said NEVER again.

A no to Ukraine should be a softball, BUT.... and here's the problem..... Our Republican senators and reps are NOT VOTING as their people want, they're voting as _They_ want to in the uniparty.

Would an amendment on Border protection have been nice in the bill? Yes, but w also asked for CLEAN bills only to the floor... (Which we knew could cause some problems with getting some items through).

(04-18-2024 12:21 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Why can't republicans put together a package of what they can support and pass it? They have no leaders.

I despise Pelosi and Schumer, but I do admire the way they lead their troops. Maybe they use threats of Arkancide.

OH i guarantee they use threats of pulling people from "positions of power".. cause that's all democrats know. THere's not a democrat that's safe in their chair / seat if they don't kowtow to the Pelosi/Schumer party line (except maybe the Brat pack (aoc, bush, etc..), cause they're just noisy enough to be a problem).

(04-18-2024 03:55 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(04-17-2024 03:04 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  It makes little sense this year to concentrate on fighting an issue like Ukrainian aid---when well over 50% of the nation is for Ukrainian aid (including nearly half of Republicans). As many know---Im a Republican that supports Ukrainian aid.

Wow.. Coog then I'm going to say you're in the stance that is actually in the minority. every poll i've seen has been winning with the option of "STOP GIVING UKRAINE MONEY"..

I don't know a single Republican in my area (and I've just started meeting quite a few, new St. Louis meeting next Thursday!!), who are in favor of one dime going to the Ukraine, although i could probably find a few in the crowd.

Ironically a lot of them are even more anti-israel getting any more money.. but I will admit some of these St. Louis Republicans and their comments have me a little scared..


They've seen what Zelenski and his co-horts spent the last batches on.. and they've said NEVER again.

A no to Ukraine should be a softball, BUT.... and here's the problem..... Our Republican senators and reps are NOT VOTING as their people want, they're voting as _They_ want to in the uniparty.

Would an amendment on Border protection have been nice in the bill? Yes, but w also asked for CLEAN bills only to the floor... (Which we knew could cause some problems with getting some items through).

Im in the majority of Americans and Im in the minority of Republicans. Like I said, roughly 40% of Republicans support aid to Ukraine. Polling indicates around 70% support aid to Ukraine---but a majority of Republicans oppose it. Im fine with the aid (not just because I support aid to Urkaine---but because being obstructionist on a 70% issue is a bad position to draw attention to during an election year)-but its clear this was an opportunity to at least get SOMETHING for the good guys when the bill passed. Id point out that it was Mike Johnson himself that promised no aid to Ukraine without border security measures. Also---why would we care if its a clean bill or not? Are our representatives there to pass legislation their voters want---or are they there to be good to Democrats? Its not like border security is some sort of pet pork project or something irrelevant to American voters.

Given the world situation, border security is an important issue (its also a 70% issue where REPUBLICANS are on the RIGHT side). Republicans were on the wrong side (in terms of polling) on the Ukraine deal so were always going to lose that one---but we held enough cards to win something in this round----and we didnt because our leadership folded for no real reason.

https://nypost.com/2024/04/15/us-news/mo...-war-poll/

https://apnorc.org/projects/reflecting-c...8535156250

Newt Gingrich and the Contract with America was never about 70% issues.....

I keep seeing this repeated and mostly Owl# saying it and it never was 70%. He wanted to stick to 60/40% issues. 2024 there are very very few 70/30% issues



POLITICS
APRIL 12, 2024
More Americans Say U.S. Is Not Helping Ukraine Enough
Democrats are driving the increased desire to support Ukraine
BY MEGAN BRENAN

Quote:Majority Still Favors Supporting Ukraine in Reclaiming Territory
Fifty-five percent of Americans think the U.S. should continue to support Ukraine in reclaiming its territory, even if that requires prolonged involvement, rather than ending the conflict as quickly as possible, even if that means ceding territory to Russia (43%). These findings are unchanged from the previous readings in October. However, the percentage of Americans who now favor continuing the fight to win back Ukraine’s territory is lower than the 62% to 66% who preferred that approach between August 2022 and June 2023.

Quote:Bottom Line
Two years after Russia invaded Ukraine, Americans are divided over whether the United States’ support for Ukraine is sufficient. Still, a majority continues to believe that helping reclaim Ukrainian territory is worth the effort, however long it may take. Partisans hold drastically different views on the subject, with Democrats much more supportive than Republicans of helping Ukraine. This has played out among congressional Republicans as U.S. aid for Ukraine has been delayed in the House. Johnson is attempting to forge a compromise, as Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has issued a dire warning that help is needed now, but Johnson could lose his position as speaker if he does not satisfy differing segments of the Republican caucus.

To stay up to date with the latest Gallup News insights and updates, follow us on X.

(04-18-2024 03:14 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-18-2024 02:28 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(04-18-2024 12:22 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-18-2024 06:03 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  It already is 5-6 parties.

Exactly what I said just above you.

Quote:The Republicans need to disband the party and regroup into the 5 or 6 different parties they really are.

and why would further division be worthy of any consideration...

I prefer total fail as best method at this point...

Oh hell, I was being facetious. They would never do that. I was simply pointing out why they can never agree on anything, and how stupid their concept of "party" actually is.

You must have forgotten, I have advocated the complete demise of both parties ever since I showed up here, and for many years before that.

you're correct ... I had forgotten ... forgive me, Padre, lor I have sinned ...

(04-18-2024 07:26 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Newt Gingrich and the Contract with America was never about 70% issues.....

I keep seeing this repeated and mostly Owl# saying it and it never was 70%. He wanted to stick to 60/40% issues. 2024 there are very very few 70/30% issues



POLITICS
APRIL 12, 2024
More Americans Say U.S. Is Not Helping Ukraine Enough
Democrats are driving the increased desire to support Ukraine
BY MEGAN BRENAN

Quote:Majority Still Favors Supporting Ukraine in Reclaiming Territory
Fifty-five percent of Americans think the U.S. should continue to support Ukraine in reclaiming its territory, even if that requires prolonged involvement, rather than ending the conflict as quickly as possible, even if that means ceding territory to Russia (43%). These findings are unchanged from the previous readings in October. However, the percentage of Americans who now favor continuing the fight to win back Ukraine’s territory is lower than the 62% to 66% who preferred that approach between August 2022 and June 2023.

Quote:Bottom Line
Two years after Russia invaded Ukraine, Americans are divided over whether the United States’ support for Ukraine is sufficient. Still, a majority continues to believe that helping reclaim Ukrainian territory is worth the effort, however long it may take. Partisans hold drastically different views on the subject, with Democrats much more supportive than Republicans of helping Ukraine. This has played out among congressional Republicans as U.S. aid for Ukraine has been delayed in the House. Johnson is attempting to forge a compromise, as Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has issued a dire warning that help is needed now, but Johnson could lose his position as speaker if he does not satisfy differing segments of the Republican caucus.

To stay up to date with the latest Gallup News insights and updates, follow us on X.

I would point out that the number of people who support Ukrainian aid for their defense is substantially higher than the number who want to support the complete reclaiming of all occupied Ukrainian territory. Thats one reason I think its high time the administration define what the goal is and exactly how they expect to get there. Ive made it no secret I dont think reclaiming all currently occupied Ukrainian territories is possible---but that doesnt mean Im against Ukrainian aid.

As Ive said before---I believe this is going to be settled at the negotiating table and if we telegraph we arent going to supply any more weapons----then we hand Putin all the negotiating advantage. In fact---under that scenario Putin doesnt have to negotiate at all---he just take as much of Ukraine as he likes because he has never cared one iota about how many young Russian men might die. Its irrelevant to Putin.

Worse yet, once Putin sees the West will only fight a couple of years before they give up (when they arent even suffering casualties)----then he will get the idea he can take any of the Baltic states he likes since all he need do is outlast the West for a short period of time before the West loses the will to fight. To be clear, I dont think thats necessarily how a Russian attempt to snatch the NATO Baltic states would play out----but the problem is we would be signaling to Putin that this is EXACTLY how a Baltic invasion would play out---and that is a dangerous thing to do.

We're so fkd.

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(04-18-2024 09:52 PM)b2b Wrote:  We're so fkd.

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We will be fine. Things will get better in November. Wait and see.