Note: I used 1985 for the men because the tournament changed in a few ways including expansion to 64 so it is a clean line. I am using 1982 for the women because that is the first tournament for the women under the NCAA banner. The women's tournament did not expand to 64 until 1994.

Bids by School
23 - Connecticut
18 - Tennessee
15 - Stanford
10 - Louisiana Tech
9 - Notre Dame
6 - LSU, South Carolina
5 - Georgia, Maryland
4 - Baylor, Duke, Louisville
3 - Auburn, Iowa, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Old Dominion, Purdue, Texas, USC, Virginia, Western Kentucky
2 - Cheyney St, Long Beach St, Mississippi St, Missouri St, North Carolina St, Rutgers
1 - Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Michigan St, Minnesota, Ohio St, Oregon, Oregon St, Penn St, Syracuse, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, UL Monroe, Vanderbilt, Virginia Tech, Washington

Major 6 Schools with 0 Final Four Bids by Future Conference Affiliation
> Major 6: ACC, B1G, Big East, PAC, SEC, XII
> I'm including the Big East but I don't believe the Big East status in women's basketball is the same as it is in men's basketball.
ACC (8/18) - Boston College, Clemson, Florida St, Georgia Tech, Miami, Pittsburgh, SMU, Wake Forest
B1G (7/18) - Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Nebraska, Northwestern, UCLA, Wisconsin
Big East (10/11) - Butler, Creighton, DePaul, Georgetown, Marquette, Providence, Seton Hall, St. John's, Villanova, Xavier
PAC (1/2) - Washington St
SEC (4/16) - Florida, Kentucky, Mississippi, Missouri
XII (13/16) - Arizona St, BYU, Central Florida, Cincinnati, Colorado, Houston, Iowa St, Kansas, Kansas St, Oklahoma St, TCU, Utah, West Virginia

Bids by Then-Current Conference
43 - SEC
26 - Big East*
24 - ACC
20 - PAC
11 - B1G, SBC (American South)^
9 - XII
6 - AAC*, Independent
3 - Pacific West (WCAA)^, SWC
2 - Big West (PCAA)^, MVC (Gateway)^
1 - CAA, Southland
* For this exercise, treating AAC as a separate entity and the new Big East as a continuation of the old Big East.
^ Parenthetical conference merged into the conference it follows.

Bids by Future Conference
50 - SEC
43 - ACC
23 - Big East
22 - B1G
13 - CUSA
6 - XII
4 - SBC
2 - Big West, MVC, Division II
1- PAC

Bids by Seed
95 - One
37 - Two
17 - Three
11 - Four
2 - Five, Six, Seven
1 - Eight, Nine
0 - Ten, Eleven, Twelve, Thirteen, Fourteen, Fifteen, Sixteen

The decline of Louisiana Tech WBB is kind of sad.

(04-03-2024 01:40 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  The decline of Louisiana Tech WBB is kind of sad.

It wasn't good then took a nosedive with the coaching scandal. The Lady Techsters made every NCAA tournament from its inception (1982) through 2006 with only back-to-back appearances in 2010 and 2011 since.

By Final Round Made --
National Champion (2): 1982, 1988
National Runner-Up (4): 1983, 1987, 1994, 1998
Final Four (4): 1984, 1989, 1990, 1999
Elite 8 (6): 1985, 1986, 1993, 1996, 2000, 2001
Sweet 16 (5): 1993, 1995, 1997, 2003, 2004

This is another reason why Yormark went after UConn when expansion discussions were heated. ESPN and Fox see the upside potential of WBB. It’s a fringe asset that makes your content attractive during the next contract cycle. Currently, the B12 doesn’t have enough WBB heft to provide material potential for media. UConn changes that narrative.

(04-03-2024 02:47 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  This is another reason why Yormark went after UConn when expansion discussions were heated. ESPN and Fox see the upside potential of WBB. It’s a fringe asset that makes your content attractive during the next contract cycle. Currently, the B12 doesn’t have enough WBB heft to provide material potential for media. UConn changes that narrative.

That's a good point.

According to this data --

XII: 6 bids for 3.6% of all WBB Final Four bids
Connecticut: 23 bids for 13.7% of all WBB Final Four bids

(04-03-2024 02:51 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(04-03-2024 02:47 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  This is another reason why Yormark went after UConn when expansion discussions were heated. ESPN and Fox see the upside potential of WBB. It’s a fringe asset that makes your content attractive during the next contract cycle. Currently, the B12 doesn’t have enough WBB heft to provide material potential for media. UConn changes that narrative.

That's a good point.

According to this data --

XII: 6 bids for 3.6% of all WBB Final Four bids
Connecticut: 23 bids for 13.7% of all WBB Final Four bids

I don't disagree with the concept that UConn's WBB brings something to table and that for TV purposes, it is worth something, but how far do we stretch that?

Should Yormark call up Oregon State for its 3 NCAA baseball championships since 2006?

(04-03-2024 03:14 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  

(04-03-2024 02:51 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(04-03-2024 02:47 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  This is another reason why Yormark went after UConn when expansion discussions were heated. ESPN and Fox see the upside potential of WBB. It’s a fringe asset that makes your content attractive during the next contract cycle. Currently, the B12 doesn’t have enough WBB heft to provide material potential for media. UConn changes that narrative.

That's a good point.

According to this data --

XII: 6 bids for 3.6% of all WBB Final Four bids
Connecticut: 23 bids for 13.7% of all WBB Final Four bids

I don't disagree with the concept that UConn's WBB brings something to table and that for TV purposes, it is worth something, but how far do we stretch
that?

Should Yormark call up Oregon State for its 3 NCAA baseball championships since 2006?

FWIW - Arizona, ASU and Oklahoma State all have more prestigious baseball histories. There are a lot of B12 teams with strong baseball credentials. In addition, (nothing against Oregon State baseball, but…) there is a huge difference versus the dominance and branding that UConn has create in women’s basketball.

Media seems to have figured out how to create synergies between men’s and women’s basketball, that is something that can be better monetized in the future.

(04-03-2024 03:39 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(04-03-2024 03:14 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  

(04-03-2024 02:51 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(04-03-2024 02:47 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  This is another reason why Yormark went after UConn when expansion discussions were heated. ESPN and Fox see the upside potential of WBB. It’s a fringe asset that makes your content attractive during the next contract cycle. Currently, the B12 doesn’t have enough WBB heft to provide material potential for media. UConn changes that narrative.

That's a good point.

According to this data --

XII: 6 bids for 3.6% of all WBB Final Four bids
Connecticut: 23 bids for 13.7% of all WBB Final Four bids

I don't disagree with the concept that UConn's WBB brings something to table and that for TV purposes, it is worth something, but how far do we stretch
that?

Should Yormark call up Oregon State for its 3 NCAA baseball championships since 2006?

FWIW - Arizona, ASU and Oklahoma State all have more prestigious baseball histories. There are a lot of B12 teams with strong baseball credentials. In addition, (nothing against Oregon State baseball, but…) there is a huge difference versus the dominance and branding that UConn has create in women’s basketball.

Media seems to have figured out how to create synergies between men’s and women’s basketball, that is something that can be better monetized in the future.

Arizona State baseball is a complete trainwreck right now. Hasn't been to the CWS since 2010

(04-03-2024 03:39 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(04-03-2024 03:14 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  

(04-03-2024 02:51 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(04-03-2024 02:47 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  This is another reason why Yormark went after UConn when expansion discussions were heated. ESPN and Fox see the upside potential of WBB. It’s a fringe asset that makes your content attractive during the next contract cycle. Currently, the B12 doesn’t have enough WBB heft to provide material potential for media. UConn changes that narrative.

That's a good point.

According to this data --

XII: 6 bids for 3.6% of all WBB Final Four bids
Connecticut: 23 bids for 13.7% of all WBB Final Four bids

I don't disagree with the concept that UConn's WBB brings something to table and that for TV purposes, it is worth something, but how far do we stretch
that?

Should Yormark call up Oregon State for its 3 NCAA baseball championships since 2006?

FWIW - Arizona, ASU and Oklahoma State all have more prestigious baseball histories. There are a lot of B12 teams with strong baseball credentials. In addition, (nothing against Oregon State baseball, but…) there is a huge difference versus the dominance and branding that UConn has create in women’s basketball.

Media seems to have figured out how to create synergies between men’s and women’s basketball, that is something that can be better monetized in the future.

Your second paragraph answers my actual questions as to why focusing on basketball makes sense. The flip side is that baseball is undervalued and could be worth more.

I agree UConn has been dominant, and it is not quite the same, but:

Arizona - 2012, 1986, 1980, 1976
ASU - 1981, 1977, 1969, 1967, 1965
OK State - 1959

Oregon State - 2018, 2007, 2006
Oregon State's 3 championships all come this century, and all of the Big 12 has 1 this century, based on future membership.

Cal-State Fullerton has three titles since ASU's last one

Fullerton to the Big 12!

Baseball Titles by Conference at the time, 2000-2023

SEC - 10
Pac 12 - 5
Big 12 - 2
WAC - 2
ACC - 1
Big West - 1
Big South - 1
Independent - 1


By Conference 2025
SEC - 12
Pac 2 - 3
ACC - 2
American - 1
Big 10 - 1
Big 12 - 1
Big West - 1
Mountain West - 1
Sun Belt - 1

Long Beach State has made just one women's NCAA Tournament since 1992. They fell off the map hard.

(04-03-2024 02:12 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(04-03-2024 01:40 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  The decline of Louisiana Tech WBB is kind of sad.

It wasn't good then took a nosedive with the coaching scandal. The Lady Techsters made every NCAA tournament from its inception (1982) through 2006 with only back-to-back appearances in 2010 and 2011 since.

By Final Round Made --
National Champion (2): 1982, 1988
National Runner-Up (4): 1983, 1987, 1994, 1998
Final Four (4): 1984, 1989, 1990, 1999
Elite 8 (6): 1985, 1986, 1993, 1996, 2000, 2001
Sweet 16 (5): 1993, 1995, 1997, 2003, 2004

The Mulkey scandal was all about negotiation of a yearly deal. Stupidly, even though Coach Barmore had groomed her to be the next head coach, our President at the time, failed to see the importance of the "tradition" of WBB at Tech. It was "our" thing...in fact, he didn't see the importance of sports I don't think. The TAC would be sold out, especially when UT would come play us in Ruston.

She left for Baylor and has won 3 national championships, and Tech fails again and again to find a coach to get it's swagger back.

Times have changed, and our once thriving program, has fallen on it's face, and will never get back up.

(04-03-2024 05:36 PM)tigtoodawg Wrote:  

(04-03-2024 02:12 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(04-03-2024 01:40 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  The decline of Louisiana Tech WBB is kind of sad.

It wasn't good then took a nosedive with the coaching scandal. The Lady Techsters made every NCAA tournament from its inception (1982) through 2006 with only back-to-back appearances in 2010 and 2011 since.

By Final Round Made --
National Champion (2): 1982, 1988
National Runner-Up (4): 1983, 1987, 1994, 1998
Final Four (4): 1984, 1989, 1990, 1999
Elite 8 (6): 1985, 1986, 1993, 1996, 2000, 2001
Sweet 16 (5): 1993, 1995, 1997, 2003, 2004

The Mulkey scandal was all about negotiation of a yearly deal. Stupidly, even though Coach Barmore had groomed her to be the next head coach, our President at the time, failed to see the importance of the "tradition" of WBB at Tech. It was "our" thing...in fact, he didn't see the importance of sports I don't think. The TAC would be sold out, especially when UT would come play us in Ruston.

She left for Baylor and has won 3 national championships, and Tech fails again and again to find a coach to get it's swagger back.

Times have changed, and our once thriving program, has fallen on it's face, and will never get back up.

I believe the poster was not referring to Mulkey, but rather Tyler Summit being involved with a player (now wife) he encouraged to transfer from Marquette to Ruston after he became HC.

(04-03-2024 06:28 PM)Renandpat Wrote:  

(04-03-2024 05:36 PM)tigtoodawg Wrote:  

(04-03-2024 02:12 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(04-03-2024 01:40 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  The decline of Louisiana Tech WBB is kind of sad.

It wasn't good then took a nosedive with the coaching scandal. The Lady Techsters made every NCAA tournament from its inception (1982) through 2006 with only back-to-back appearances in 2010 and 2011 since.

By Final Round Made --
National Champion (2): 1982, 1988
National Runner-Up (4): 1983, 1987, 1994, 1998
Final Four (4): 1984, 1989, 1990, 1999
Elite 8 (6): 1985, 1986, 1993, 1996, 2000, 2001
Sweet 16 (5): 1993, 1995, 1997, 2003, 2004

The Mulkey scandal was all about negotiation of a yearly deal. Stupidly, even though Coach Barmore had groomed her to be the next head coach, our President at the time, failed to see the importance of the "tradition" of WBB at Tech. It was "our" thing...in fact, he didn't see the importance of sports I don't think. The TAC would be sold out, especially when UT would come play us in Ruston.

She left for Baylor and has won 3 national championships, and Tech fails again and again to find a coach to get it's swagger back.

Times have changed, and our once thriving program, has fallen on it's face, and will never get back up.

I believe the poster was not referring to Mulkey, but rather Tyler Summit being involved with a player (now wife) he encouraged to transfer from Marquette to Ruston after he became HC.

Correct.

In 1982 a number of schools were still in the AIAW. In that year Rutgers beat Texas for the championship with Villanova and Wayland Baptist (once a women's bb power) also in the final 4.
Just FYI, AIAW last 5 championships:
1982 Rutgers over Texas, Villanova, Wayland Baptist in final 4
1981 Louisiana Tech over Tennessee, Old Dominion, USC in final 4
1980 Old Dominion over Tennessee, South Carolina, Louisiana Tech final 4
1979 Old Dominion over Louisiana Tech, Tennessee, UCLA final 4
1978 UCLA over Maryland, Wayland Baptist, Montclair St. final 4

I was surprised Texas had only been in the NCAA final 4 three times. But last time was 2003. They have been elite 8 9 times. They went through a drought after Jody Conradt left.