(03-28-2024 03:46 PM)hburg Wrote:  I feel like the ones that complain about student fees are the ones not in college. I don't think I have ever heard any student complain about athletic fees.

When I was in undergrad (at Mercer...long, long ago), I remember there being a brief bout of consternation when someone realized that the school's accounting shifted a big portion of our cafeteria fees to the athletic department. (Or maybe it wasn't even a direct flow, but just a numbers comparison.) That lasted for like a day and then I never heard another word about it.

(03-28-2024 03:03 PM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  https://knightnewhousedata.org/reports/c06acf3e



It gets real crazy when you just look at a chart of your own state and realize that the P5 gets 2x's more in TV money alone than we do for everything combined.

Brown and orange are both coming from students, whether it’s called a ‘fee’ or something else, it’s coming from money collected by the school from students and funneled to athletics.

Coastal 85%
Jmu 79%
Texas st 74%
Troy 74%
SoAla 73%
GS 66%
oDU 64%
GSU 60%
Marshall 59%
App state 58%

But let’s pretend like JmU is some far outlier disproportionately way ahead of everyone else in fleecing students for sports.

(03-28-2024 05:17 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(03-28-2024 03:03 PM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  https://knightnewhousedata.org/reports/c06acf3e



It gets real crazy when you just look at a chart of your own state and realize that the P5 gets 2x's more in TV money alone than we do for everything combined.

Brown and orange are both coming from students, whether it’s called a ‘fee’ or something else, it’s coming from money collected by the school from students and funneled to athletics.

Coastal 85%
Jmu 79%
Texas st 74%
Troy 74%
SoAla 73%
GS 66%
oDU 64%
GSU 60%
Marshall 59%
App state 58%

But let’s pretend like JmU is some far outlier disproportionately way ahead of everyone else in fleecing students for sports.

Given the schools are in different states with different procedures, the whole thing is pretty pointless. Great for those of us that can grow and benefit with extra institutional support, I'm sorry for those who are restricted and further pinned down by biased legislature.

All that matters is the headline!!

Data and research and retractions...those pesky things get buried

End of the day - JMU is $13k / year for tuition....lower than all public schools by far, except ODU and Radford (both $12k)
WnM - $25k
UVA - $20k
Tech / VCU - $16k

See how this is a meaningless number?...these poor victimized students that see the disclosures and still choose to come here....

(03-28-2024 05:17 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(03-28-2024 03:03 PM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  https://knightnewhousedata.org/reports/c06acf3e



It gets real crazy when you just look at a chart of your own state and realize that the P5 gets 2x's more in TV money alone than we do for everything combined.

Brown and orange are both coming from students, whether it’s called a ‘fee’ or something else, it’s coming from money collected by the school from students and funneled to athletics.

Coastal 85%
Jmu 79%
Texas st 74%
Troy 74%
SoAla 73%
GS 66%
oDU 64%
GSU 60%
Marshall 59%
App state 58%

But let’s pretend like JmU is some far outlier disproportionately way ahead of everyone else in fleecing students for sports.

Quick point of reference would be to calculate average student debt at JMU vs say GS. We'll see if govment is stepping in to make up the difference. Be interesting to see.

Which leads to the next question. Someone pointed out average student debt in the US being $30K. How much of that debt was acquired at FBS universities? I'd wager significantly more on average. Like a lot. Meaningless.

Also of note:

Coastal is still significantly cheaper with a great value compared to other comparable state schools regarding tuition and fees. Why even care?

(03-28-2024 12:50 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(03-28-2024 12:30 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  Ridiculous thread. College students aren’t subsidizing college sports.

In 2019-2020, the average student debt., after 4 years of college was 30,000.00 (approximately), regardless of student athletic fees.

The government, in its infinite wisdom, then “forgives” the student debt.

So in reality, college sports aren’t “funded by college students,” they’re funded by The U. S. Taxpayer who is forced to cover the forgiven debt of those whom couldn’t afford college in the first place.

Student loan debt crisis is a bit more complex and nuanced than that but sure.

Complex and nuanced you say. Holy Crap, who’da thunk dat?

Good Lord coastal is expensive - that's ONLY tuition above ?

I'm

(03-28-2024 09:14 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  Good Lord coastal is expensive - that's ONLY tuition above ?

It's cheaper than JMU lol.

Tuition and fees. Coastal is still less expensive than Winthrop, College of Charleston, Clemson, UofSC, the Citadel and Lander.

(03-28-2024 12:27 PM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  Back to the OP. It is sad that 'every student' at JMU is playing more towards the AD and Marching bands, ($3,200/yr) than most of JMU boosters.

Don’t be too sad about it. Let me know if I can come cheer you up!

I was a resident in Virginia when the "Cox" law was passed controlling the athletic expenses for colleges.

Per the below link, JMU and ODU are suppose to be at the 55% subsidy level by 2025. Are the schools near the required percentage level?

McAuliffe signs bill that limits athletic student fees
https://www.pilotonline.com/2015/03/31/m...dent-fees/

(03-29-2024 07:14 AM)Flat Tire 2 Wrote:  I was a resident in Virginia when the "Cox" law was passed controlling the athletic expenses for colleges.

Per the below link, JMU and ODU are suppose to be at the 55% subsidy level by 2025. Are the schools near the required percentage level?

McAuliffe signs bill that limits athletic student fees
https://www.pilotonline.com/2015/03/31/m...dent-fees/

The way it's calculated makes it a lot easier to meet. Certain items are removed from the student fees (spirit groups, grandfathered debt obligations, overhead paid back to the school) but those same amounts are not removed from the athletic budget as a whole. So you're taking them out of the numerator but not the denominator. This in itself makes it easier but if you happen to inflate these items and your athletic budget as a whole with fluff then it's even more of an advantage. cough..JMU..cough

(03-28-2024 09:20 PM)TealNation Wrote:  I'm

(03-28-2024 09:14 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  Good Lord coastal is expensive - that's ONLY tuition above ?

It's cheaper than JMU lol.

Tuition and fees. Coastal is still less expensive than Winthrop, College of Charleston, Clemson, UofSC, the Citadel and Lander.

My bad...was looking at out of state table!

Not picking on JMU but using them as the example because they were referenced in the article...

According to their own website, athletic fees are $2,362 dollars (https://www.jmu.edu/ubo/student-accounts...down.shtml) so if if someone attends JMU and graduates in four years...they will have paid $18,896 in just athletic fees (more if they attended any summer sessions). That's a significant cost of and a contributor to the college debt issue...

(03-29-2024 12:29 PM)ButlerGSU Wrote:  Not picking on JMU but using them as the example because they were referenced in the article...

According to their own website, athletic fees are $2,362 dollars (https://www.jmu.edu/ubo/student-accounts...down.shtml) so if if someone attends JMU and graduates in four years...they will have paid $18,896 in just athletic fees (more if they attended any summer sessions). That's a significant cost of and a contributor to the college debt issue...

...but they will only pay $52,000 TOTAL in four years...way way less than many schools and less than all of our VA academic/experience/sports peers ....(sorry radford and odu, you don't make the peer list due to academics)

(03-29-2024 12:35 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  

(03-29-2024 12:29 PM)ButlerGSU Wrote:  Not picking on JMU but using them as the example because they were referenced in the article...

According to their own website, athletic fees are $2,362 dollars (https://www.jmu.edu/ubo/student-accounts...down.shtml) so if if someone attends JMU and graduates in four years...they will have paid $18,896 in just athletic fees (more if they attended any summer sessions). That's a significant cost of and a contributor to the college debt issue...

...but they will only pay $52,000 TOTAL in four years...way way less than many schools and less than all of our VA academic/experience/sports peers ....(sorry radford and odu, you don't make the peer list due to academics)

That's kind of my point, it could be $32,000 total if they weren't being asked to bankroll the athletic program.

(03-29-2024 01:18 PM)ButlerGSU Wrote:  

(03-29-2024 12:35 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  

(03-29-2024 12:29 PM)ButlerGSU Wrote:  Not picking on JMU but using them as the example because they were referenced in the article...

According to their own website, athletic fees are $2,362 dollars (https://www.jmu.edu/ubo/student-accounts...down.shtml) so if if someone attends JMU and graduates in four years...they will have paid $18,896 in just athletic fees (more if they attended any summer sessions). That's a significant cost of and a contributor to the college debt issue...

...but they will only pay $52,000 TOTAL in four years...way way less than many schools and less than all of our VA academic/experience/sports peers ....(sorry radford and odu, you don't make the peer list due to academics)

That's kind of my point, it could be $32,000 total if they weren't being asked to bankroll the athletic program.

It's a fair question - and they can choose to say "no"...

Those folks should not choose to go to JMU ...nobody being forced :)

Go to UVA / VT and pay much more overall (20k/ 16k year in-state - compared to our 13k)...and the athletics fees are just hidden better...

(03-29-2024 12:35 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  

(03-29-2024 12:29 PM)ButlerGSU Wrote:  Not picking on JMU but using them as the example because they were referenced in the article...

According to their own website, athletic fees are $2,362 dollars (https://www.jmu.edu/ubo/student-accounts...down.shtml) so if if someone attends JMU and graduates in four years...they will have paid $18,896 in just athletic fees (more if they attended any summer sessions). That's a significant cost of and a contributor to the college debt issue...

...but they will only pay $52,000 TOTAL in four years...way way less than many schools and less than all of our VA academic/experience/sports peers ....(sorry radford and odu, you don't make the peer list due to academics)

Definitely not peers. We produce Doctors, not teachers.

^ fail...

Had a current student complain about the athletic cost for App, pointed out that the increases we had while I was there were voted on by the students. Didn't think to point out that if he really hated it, he could've gone to Western or UNCA to still do mountain college things.

Sent from my SM-S918U using Tapatalk