(04-07-2024 04:40 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  

(04-06-2024 02:51 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  From ESPN's perspective, the ACCN is a guaranteed winner because the ACC is paid from the profits. If the profits go down, so will the cost of media rights - for that channel.

The tricky part for the Mouse is the T1 rights, which are guaranteed (and escalate each year, if only by 4.5%). Thing is, no T1 contract, no ACCN.

I'm sure ESPN would love to move all ACC content to the ACCN. If I'm the commish, NO WAY is that happening! Sublicensing to OTA broadcasters is ok, though.

The concept of a business entity destroying a profit center that sold off in individual pieces would cost said business entity far more and would benefit said entity's biggest rival as well as secondary and tertiary rivals is an amazing concept and filled with gross incompetence. Said business entity execs would likely face immediate termination without very good proof that the strategy is a good idea. I would also expect derivative lawsuits from shareholders even if said business entity execs could produce some form of evidence to support their strategies. If such a strategy is good for the ACC, why wouldn't ESPN do likewise with the SECN and SEC? If one is arguing the final outcome of two super conferences the half of the SEC is dead weight and is on the chopping block, you know, to make room for FSU, Clemson, UNC and UVA.

Besides, if FSU and Clemson were the slightest bit inclined to believe that ESPN plans to dump the ACCN and ACC in 10 months, the purpose of the lawsuits is wasted money and foolishness which would require the termination of the chancellors, BoTs and ADs. Actions speak louder than words. FSU and Clemson fully expect ESPN to continue the ACCN and pay the ACC accordingly

Further, ESPN will have to be brought into the GOR side of their respective arguments but each school is trying to walk that tightrope so as to not tick off ESPN as they hope the SEC sends a calling card.

Anyway, fans may believe what they will but the legal and financial actions say otherwise.

There was time in the past when I was cursed to have to work for elected officials. Sometimes you could not explain to people that their individual self and their corporate self were usually two separate things, and only rarely overlapped. The results could often be an individual or the city suing the corporates entity or the individual. I once worked for a man so brazen that he sued the city as a private person and in closed session voted to countersue his self. The matter was over the way the City compensated people for condemning their land for a sewer line. The brazen fellow disagreed with the City policy but supported the City's right to follow that policy.

No single school is the ACC. The ACC board is not a thing unless they are meeting. When they are not meeting the power rests with the Commissioner and the Chair of the Steering Committee. The Commissioner's power can be absolute if an ever changing majority approves his actions after the fact.

FSU doesn't like this management/governing format. It is fully analogous to the City Manager style of local government you find in NC, SC, and Va. FSU wants a "Strong Mayor" where day to day power rests with a political actor.

Every day people move into NC from Florida and New York, NJ and start looking for the Mayor when they have a problem and when they found out that in NC he cuts ribbons, kisses babies, breaks tie votes, they don't get it. They will feel under represented even if the City staff fixes their problem.

(04-07-2024 07:05 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(04-07-2024 04:40 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  

(04-06-2024 02:51 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  From ESPN's perspective, the ACCN is a guaranteed winner because the ACC is paid from the profits. If the profits go down, so will the cost of media rights - for that channel.

The tricky part for the Mouse is the T1 rights, which are guaranteed (and escalate each year, if only by 4.5%). Thing is, no T1 contract, no ACCN.

I'm sure ESPN would love to move all ACC content to the ACCN. If I'm the commish, NO WAY is that happening! Sublicensing to OTA broadcasters is ok, though.

The concept of a business entity destroying a profit center that sold off in individual pieces would cost said business entity far more and would benefit said entity's biggest rival as well as secondary and tertiary rivals is an amazing concept and filled with gross incompetence. Said business entity execs would likely face immediate termination without very good proof that the strategy is a good idea. I would also expect derivative lawsuits from shareholders even if said business entity execs could produce some form of evidence to support their strategies. If such a strategy is good for the ACC, why wouldn't ESPN do likewise with the SECN and SEC? If one is arguing the final outcome of two super conferences the half of the SEC is dead weight and is on the chopping block, you know, to make room for FSU, Clemson, UNC and UVA.

Besides, if FSU and Clemson were the slightest bit inclined to believe that ESPN plans to dump the ACCN and ACC in 10 months, the purpose of the lawsuits is wasted money and foolishness which would require the termination of the chancellors, BoTs and ADs. Actions speak louder than words. FSU and Clemson fully expect ESPN to continue the ACCN and pay the ACC accordingly

Further, ESPN will have to be brought into the GOR side of their respective arguments but each school is trying to walk that tightrope so as to not tick off ESPN as they hope the SEC sends a calling card.

Anyway, fans may believe what they will but the legal and financial actions say otherwise.

There was time in the past when I was cursed to have to work for elected officials. Sometimes you could not explain to people that their individual self and their corporate self were usually two separate things, and only rarely overlapped. The results could often be an individual or the city suing the corporates entity or the individual. I once worked for a man so brazen that he sued the city as a private person and in closed session voted to countersue his self. The matter was over the way the City compensated people for condemning their land for a sewer line. The brazen fellow disagreed with the City policy but supported the City's right to follow that policy.

No single school is the ACC. The ACC board is not a thing unless they are meeting. When they are not meeting the power rests with the Commissioner and the Chair of the Steering Committee. The Commissioner's power can be absolute if an ever changing majority approves his actions after the fact.

FSU doesn't like this management/governing format. It is fully analogous to the City Manager style of local government you find in NC, SC, and Va. FSU wants a "Strong Mayor" where day to day power rests with a political actor.

Every day people move into NC from Florida and New York, NJ and start looking for the Mayor when they have a problem and when they found out that in NC he cuts ribbons, kisses babies, breaks tie votes, they don't get it. They will feel under represented even if the City staff fixes their problem.

(04-07-2024 04:40 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  

(04-06-2024 02:51 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  From ESPN's perspective, the ACCN is a guaranteed winner because the ACC is paid from the profits. If the profits go down, so will the cost of media rights - for that channel.

The tricky part for the Mouse is the T1 rights, which are guaranteed (and escalate each year, if only by 4.5%). Thing is, no T1 contract, no ACCN.

I'm sure ESPN would love to move all ACC content to the ACCN. If I'm the commish, NO WAY is that happening! Sublicensing to OTA broadcasters is ok, though.

The concept of a business entity destroying a profit center that sold off in individual pieces would cost said business entity far more and would benefit said entity's biggest rival as well as secondary and tertiary rivals is an amazing concept and filled with gross incompetence. Said business entity execs would likely face immediate termination without very good proof that the strategy is a good idea. I would also expect derivative lawsuits from shareholders even if said business entity execs could produce some form of evidence to support their strategies. If such a strategy is good for the ACC, why wouldn't ESPN do likewise with the SECN and SEC? If one is arguing the final outcome of two super conferences the half of the SEC is dead weight and is on the chopping block, you know, to make room for FSU, Clemson, UNC and UVA.

Besides, if FSU and Clemson were the slightest bit inclined to believe that ESPN plans to dump the ACCN and ACC in 10 months, the purpose of the lawsuits is wasted money and foolishness which would require the termination of the chancellors, BoTs and ADs. Actions speak louder than words. FSU and Clemson fully expect ESPN to continue the ACCN and pay the ACC accordingly

Further, ESPN will have to be brought into the GOR side of their respective arguments but each school is trying to walk that tightrope so as to not tick off ESPN as they hope the SEC sends a calling card.

Anyway, fans may believe what they will but the legal and financial actions say otherwise.

Exactly.

(04-07-2024 05:46 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(04-03-2024 02:18 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-02-2024 08:40 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(03-30-2024 07:08 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Is not the old argument that keeps getting brought up is "why would ESPN pay more for FSU in the SEC when they get them cheap in the ACC"? Also ESPN is currently in cost cutting mode. Why would not ESPN be happy with the ACC elevating 3 schools at pro-rata especially SMU that they were just paying around $10m a year?

FSU and Clemson are clearly on their way out. If it was just FSU and Clemson, I'd feel ok about the ACC continuing on for a little while longer at the current rate, but I have my doubts FSU and Clemson are the only ones leaving. If another member sues the ACC and clearly indicates they want out, how does ESPN not exercise that 2027 option to 1) drop the ACC or 2) renegotiate a lower price. If any of those things happen, what do you think will happen next? The other most valuable properties will likely find a landing spot in the P2 and B12, the others will go someplace else.

I have heard that the SEC does not want FSU. It is Bigten or bust for FSU

I've also read opinions that the B1G doesn't want FSU, either... Big XII or bust? At least they'll have that annual rivalry game with UCF, right? (ouch!)

If the SEC doesn't want FSU and the B1G doesn't want FSU either, the Big 12 would probably be the only source of guaranteed media income for Florida State.
Does the Big 12 offer performance incentives?

The annual FSU-UCF games needs a name: The Acronym Bowl?
Maybe play it halfway in Ocala and have a Horse Breeder sponsor it?

(04-07-2024 11:25 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(04-07-2024 05:46 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(04-03-2024 02:18 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-02-2024 08:40 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(03-30-2024 07:08 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Is not the old argument that keeps getting brought up is "why would ESPN pay more for FSU in the SEC when they get them cheap in the ACC"? Also ESPN is currently in cost cutting mode. Why would not ESPN be happy with the ACC elevating 3 schools at pro-rata especially SMU that they were just paying around $10m a year?

FSU and Clemson are clearly on their way out. If it was just FSU and Clemson, I'd feel ok about the ACC continuing on for a little while longer at the current rate, but I have my doubts FSU and Clemson are the only ones leaving. If another member sues the ACC and clearly indicates they want out, how does ESPN not exercise that 2027 option to 1) drop the ACC or 2) renegotiate a lower price. If any of those things happen, what do you think will happen next? The other most valuable properties will likely find a landing spot in the P2 and B12, the others will go someplace else.

I have heard that the SEC does not want FSU. It is Bigten or bust for FSU

I've also read opinions that the B1G doesn't want FSU, either... Big XII or bust? At least they'll have that annual rivalry game with UCF, right? (ouch!)

If the SEC doesn't want FSU and the B1G doesn't want FSU either, the Big 12 would probably be the only source of guaranteed media income for Florida State.
Does the Big 12 offer performance incentives?

The annual FSU-UCF games needs a name: The Acronym Bowl?
Maybe play it halfway in Ocala and have a Horse Breeder sponsor it?

The FU bowl.