(03-26-2024 01:55 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Duke would rather join the Big East and be independent in football. Duke is more of a G5 program, and there are better options out there in the G5 that have much better fanbase. BY is very short sighted that Duke is not a power basketball school anymore.

1. Money talks. They aren't giving up $30M a year (or more) by going independent in football.

2. Duke just finished second in the ACC and is in the sweet 16.

3. They are a college basketball blue blood.

(03-26-2024 02:30 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(03-26-2024 02:20 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  Duke?

The Big10 would add them in a heartbeat.

A definite basketball power.

And Duke + (existing member) Maryland pretty solidly gets them the mid-atlantic markets.

Pair Duke with Kansas? Even better. Another solid basketball power. (Plus adds a western school to help with scheduling for the west coast teams.) ...

But in order for being a basketball power to carry more weight, the NCAA Tourney media revenue pie needs to be re-sliced so that 80% goes to the schools that play.

I keep hearing people say that, but I just don't think it does. That just sounds like wish-fulfillment and dreams of money, than a "need" in realignment.

I know there are those who think the time of markets has passed. But I just disagree. Fox locking down the LA market was telling.

I keep looking at Maryland and Rutgers, and remember how football fans and pundits were generally shocked at their addition.

I think this kind of addition is similar.

And I think all three of those schools (Duke, Kansas, Miami), would be happy to join the Big10 at half-shares to start.

Assuming Florida St and Clemson have assurances that they have a P2 slot if they exit the ACC (as well as any other school who gets a similar P2 assurance)---I dont see anyone else leaving the ACC at this point UNLESS--

1) ESPN exercises its option to exit the ACC TV deal (which I think is unlikely).

2) Enough teams agree to dissolve the conference (I also think this is unlikely to happen).

When we get to the GOR expiration date (or close to it)---that could change. But until that point, assuming neither #1 or #2 happens---there is no way anyone is paying hundreds of millions of dollars to exit the ACC for a generally similar payout in the Big12.

(03-26-2024 02:43 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Assuming Florida St and Clemson have assurances that they have a P2 slot if they exit the ACC (as well as any other school who gets a similar P2 assurance)---I dont see anyone else leaving the ACC at this point UNLESS--

1) ESPN exercises its option to exit the ACC TV deal (which I think is unlikely).

2) Enough teams agree to dissolve the conference (I also think this is unlikely to happen).

Oh, I think nothing on this thread happens unless the GoR situation is addressed in some way lol

(03-26-2024 02:44 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(03-26-2024 02:43 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Assuming Florida St and Clemson have assurances that they have a P2 slot if they exit the ACC (as well as any other school who gets a similar P2 assurance)---I dont see anyone else leaving the ACC at this point UNLESS--

1) ESPN exercises its option to exit the ACC TV deal (which I think is unlikely).

2) Enough teams agree to dissolve the conference (I also think this is unlikely to happen).

Oh, I think nothing on this thread happens unless the GoR situation is addressed in some way lol

Correct. And while I think there are reasons schools might want to join the Big12 post P2 raid----the GOR is going to give the rump of the ACC plenty of time to rebuild and get comfortable with their new conference. Its possible its members, like the current B12---forge a new found unity with their new conference mates that makes jumping to the B12 at the end of the GOR a much less enticing option than it may appear now.

Honestly, if the ACC was smart, they’d go ahead and be aggressive with additional expansion. UCONN, Memphis, and Tulane would be at the top of my list. Then when FSU and Clemson leave, you could bring on USF and perhaps another team or two depending on whether you could poach the eastern B12 teams. (If not, maybe a team like Rice which fits the academic profile.)

It would be hard pressed to see Duke consider leaving a league with UCONN, Syracuse, Louisville, UVA/NCST, Memphis, Stanford, etc.

The ACC won’t expand further now though because I think it worsens the optics that the league is about to have a mass exodus. Ironically, the thing that could best preserve the league long term is perhaps the worst thing to do in the short term. (Which is largely why the ACC is in the position it is in to begin with.)

(03-26-2024 11:35 AM)Sicembear11 Wrote:  

(03-26-2024 11:30 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  

(03-26-2024 11:23 AM)jgkojak Wrote:  ACC teams we don't want:
Boston College, Syracuse, Wake Forest

Yormark seems like he would love Syracuse.

I could see a North east push for Syracuse, BC, and UConn. I don't think it would be successful with the presidents, but I could see it as an option in the folder.

BC likely back to Big East

(03-26-2024 11:40 AM)TerpsvilleMayor Wrote:  

(03-26-2024 11:23 AM)jgkojak Wrote:  Wow - that is not gonna happen. Duke is going to B1G with UNC or SEC - they have no reason to even consider B12.

But I applaud the reach.

ACC teams off the table:
UNC, Duke, FSU, Clemson, Virginia

ACC teams we should and could get?
Louisville, Pitt, Georgia Tech, Cal

ACC teams we'd like but could go somewhere else:
NC State, Va Tech, Miami, Stanford

ACC teams we don't want:
Boston College, Syracuse, Wake Forest

Is your comment about Duke an opinion? I’ve heard literally no one saying Duke has a P2 spot.

Duke isn't.going to be left behind. They just aren't #1 choice.

(03-26-2024 11:50 AM)Yosef181 Wrote:  Big if true.

But this is The Monty Show, which I don't trust yet with this type of information. He says in the video that they would only target Duke in the ACC, and that seems far-fetched to me. We're talking about a private school smaller than Appalachian State, located in the same market as at least one probable SEC/Big Ten team (UNC and maybe NC State). If you're going to choose one ACC member to go after...why that one?

If a more well-known reporter says it, I'll take it seriously, but this would be a desperate move to get what would be the 2nd- or 3rd-best program (depending on what happens to NC State) in a single market when the Big Ten/SEC money kicks in.

Edit: If you keep watching the video, he eventually says "I have no doubt in my mind that the Big 12 is looking at Louisville", as an opinion, then the title changes to "The Big 12 is aggressively chasing multiple ACC teams", then says he thinks the Big 12 is talking to every ACC school. This all seems like (changing) thoughts and opinions floated as facts, which is the issue I have with that channel.

Of course because Louisville should be in the Big 12 today instead.

(03-26-2024 01:30 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Nobody wants Dook.

Duke purchases and closes the University of Cincinnati.

(03-26-2024 02:11 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Big 12 gets? 0 No ACC schools will jump from making more money to join the Big 12 who is making less money.

Florida State have no invite on the table yet. They likely would not get one.

Clemson has no value for a tv standpoint. Big 10 don't want them, and SEC already have the South Carolina tv market.

Miami is in the same boat as Calford since they don't have the viewers, and that they don't really have the fan support.

UNC and NC State will not be invited into the same conference. Both Big 10 and SEC only wants one team from that state. UNC is handtied to NC State. Same with the Virginia twins.

SMU would jump to the Big 12, but they have very weak fan support that have less fans showing up last year than UTSA, Fresno State, Boise State, Tulane, App State, ECU, Memphis and USF. Plus, TCU would block them.

Louisville is better than Kentucky, but SEC would not invite them.

Georgia Tech to the Big 10 is likely gets a Big 10 invite which is less headache right now.

FSU may not get an invite because they would be viewed as a troublemaker.

Nobody wants Duke of Wake Forest. They are more G5 programs.

Big 10 may take Pittsburgh.

Nobody wants Syracuse or Boston College either.

With the 3 new teams coming in? For the ACC gets dissolved? It had to be voted by 8 members by June 30th which would kill the media contract, but there is not 8 votes there until there is guarantee that they get the invites to the P2, but there is not any there. FSU and Clemson could lose their cases because there is talks that several ACC schools joined the ACC in suing FSU and Clemson now. I don't think Miami or UNC would be joining that suit either.

Is your disdain for private universities due to your inability to get accepted to them?
I hate Duke basketball but they aren't a G5 program.
Everyone mentions money talks on this board then in the same sentence says that Stanford, Duke, and Vandy will need to drop down to D3. Such lunacy here.

(03-26-2024 02:20 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  Duke?

The Big10 would add them in a heartbeat.

A definite basketball power.

And Duke + (existing member) Maryland pretty solidly gets them the mid-atlantic markets.

Pair Duke with Kansas? Even better. Another solid basketball power. (Plus adds a western school to help with scheduling for the west coast teams.)

Or pair Duke with Miami, and get Florida - a part of Florida that is legitimately "Big10 country".

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If the best 3 for the SEC right now is FSU, Clemson, NC; then I think the Big10 could follow up with their own 3 that I noted above: Duke, Kansas, Miami.

Duke won't get into the Big 10. Football is what makes realignment moves at the FBS level. Duke have no recent success to be in the expansion talks.

(03-26-2024 02:32 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(03-26-2024 01:55 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Duke would rather join the Big East and be independent in football. Duke is more of a G5 program, and there are better options out there in the G5 that have much better fanbase. BY is very short sighted that Duke is not a power basketball school anymore.

1. Money talks. They aren't giving up $30M a year (or more) by going independent in football.

2. Duke just finished second in the ACC and is in the sweet 16.

3. They are a college basketball blue blood.

Their football is a G5 at best. San Diego State is in the Sweet 16 as well.

(03-26-2024 01:52 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  Half of the BigXII doesn’t want anything to do with the BigXII either.

No conference outside the SEC, B1G, and Ivy League carries any value beyond its current TV deal.

All Phillips and Yormark can do is avoid a free agent scenario like what the PAC had with a GOR that ended the same time as a TV contract paired with a minimum penalty for withdrawing membership.
Worst case scenario for them to avoid is having both the ACC and B12 hit a free agent scenario simultaneously. Because that scenario ends with an MWC-esque airport meeting and two dead conferences.

I think that every Big 12 member other than Utah and ASU is quite pleased with the direction of the Conference, and even those 2 are happy they didn't get the Calford treatment. More importantly, you're all contributors to the Conference's value, but nobody contributes so much that they're achin' to pull an FSU and start suing everybody.

Just because the Pac withered down to nothing doesn't mean that any other Conference is heading that direction. Your admins contributed to that the destruction of the Pac, you should be happy that you found a good home.

(03-26-2024 03:25 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(03-26-2024 02:11 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Big 12 gets? 0 No ACC schools will jump from making more money to join the Big 12 who is making less money.

Florida State have no invite on the table yet. They likely would not get one.

Clemson has no value for a tv standpoint. Big 10 don't want them, and SEC already have the South Carolina tv market.

Miami is in the same boat as Calford since they don't have the viewers, and that they don't really have the fan support.

UNC and NC State will not be invited into the same conference. Both Big 10 and SEC only wants one team from that state. UNC is handtied to NC State. Same with the Virginia twins.

SMU would jump to the Big 12, but they have very weak fan support that have less fans showing up last year than UTSA, Fresno State, Boise State, Tulane, App State, ECU, Memphis and USF. Plus, TCU would block them.

Louisville is better than Kentucky, but SEC would not invite them.

Georgia Tech to the Big 10 is likely gets a Big 10 invite which is less headache right now.

FSU may not get an invite because they would be viewed as a troublemaker.

Nobody wants Duke of Wake Forest. They are more G5 programs.

Big 10 may take Pittsburgh.

Nobody wants Syracuse or Boston College either.

With the 3 new teams coming in? For the ACC gets dissolved? It had to be voted by 8 members by June 30th which would kill the media contract, but there is not 8 votes there until there is guarantee that they get the invites to the P2, but there is not any there. FSU and Clemson could lose their cases because there is talks that several ACC schools joined the ACC in suing FSU and Clemson now. I don't think Miami or UNC would be joining that suit either.

Is your disdain for private universities due to your inability to get accepted to them?
I hate Duke basketball but they aren't a G5 program.
Everyone mentions money talks on this board then in the same sentence says that Stanford, Duke, and Vandy will need to drop down to D3. Such lunacy here.

The football attendance the last 14 years were between 25000 to 29000 at Duke. They were not or have been a P5 school with attendance like that. We are talking about FBS conferences here, and Duke, Stanford, SMU, Kansas, Washington State, Oregon State, Colorado, California, Wake Forest all need to get better at getting fans in to fill those seats. Same with Miami and other ACC schools.

It be stupid for the big ten not to get FSU and Clemson

(03-26-2024 03:09 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(03-26-2024 11:40 AM)TerpsvilleMayor Wrote:  

(03-26-2024 11:23 AM)jgkojak Wrote:  Wow - that is not gonna happen. Duke is going to B1G with UNC or SEC - they have no reason to even consider B12.

But I applaud the reach.

ACC teams off the table:
UNC, Duke, FSU, Clemson, Virginia

ACC teams we should and could get?
Louisville, Pitt, Georgia Tech, Cal

ACC teams we'd like but could go somewhere else:
NC State, Va Tech, Miami, Stanford

ACC teams we don't want:
Boston College, Syracuse, Wake Forest

Is your comment about Duke an opinion? I’ve heard literally no one saying Duke has a P2 spot.

Duke isn't.going to be left behind. They just aren't #1 choice.

If Stanford and Cal and get the stiffarm, do we really think that Duke will be treated differently by the P2? Their brand is enough for the Big 12 or ACC, but we'd need a LOT of movement into the P2 to see Duke get included.

(03-26-2024 04:06 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-26-2024 02:20 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  Duke?

The Big10 would add them in a heartbeat.

A definite basketball power.

And Duke + (existing member) Maryland pretty solidly gets them the mid-atlantic markets.

Pair Duke with Kansas? Even better. Another solid basketball power. (Plus adds a western school to help with scheduling for the west coast teams.)

Or pair Duke with Miami, and get Florida - a part of Florida that is legitimately "Big10 country".

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If the best 3 for the SEC right now is FSU, Clemson, NC; then I think the Big10 could follow up with their own 3 that I noted above: Duke, Kansas, Miami.

Duke won't get into the Big 10. Football is what makes realignment moves at the FBS level. Duke have no recent success to be in the expansion talks.

I'll keep my answer short :

Not only do I think you're wrong in this, I think you're completely wrong in this.

YMMV, of course...

Is this similar to me pursuing The Rock to marry me?

(03-26-2024 04:41 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Is this similar to me pursuing The Rock to marry me?

Depends on the size of The Rock