(03-25-2024 08:40 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 08:36 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 08:29 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  The first semblance of stability within the program in years.

Veatch comments last week. This news today. Maybe, just maybe they are trying to get serious about winning big in basketball again. Cobble together some NIL funds and let Penny and Stans do their thing on the recruiting trail.

He really just needs to tweak a few things. Last season he was imo one player short. Shoulda kept Nolley and probably would have if Lester hadn’t left. This year he had 3 players not pan out. One dude to injury , one due to losing his shot and one due to losing his shape and possibly bad fit.

He’s not as far off as everyone thinks

Last year should have been Boogie, Baugh & Jeffries senior year. What a difference it would have made had he been able to keep a roster together.

(03-25-2024 07:49 AM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 07:37 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 07:36 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 07:34 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  Shocker to many for sure

Count me in that group. I figured he’d be on the 1st thing smoking out of town

Might not have anywhere else to go

I wouldn't believe that for a minute. Stansbury is well known as a great recruiter. There would be plenty of head coaches that would be happy to have him on staff.

Of course he could go somewhere else as an AC. But it doesn't fit the Misereable narrative.

(03-25-2024 08:40 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 08:36 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 08:29 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  The first semblance of stability within the program in years.

Veatch comments last week. This news today. Maybe, just maybe they are trying to get serious about winning big in basketball again. Cobble together some NIL funds and let Penny and Stans do their thing on the recruiting trail.

He really just needs to tweak a few things. Last season he was imo one player short. Shoulda kept Nolley and probably would have if Lester hadn’t left. This year he had 3 players not pan out. One dude to injury , one due to losing his shot and one due to losing his shape and possibly bad fit.

He’s not as far off as everyone thinks

And one who thought he was too good for everyone else.

(03-25-2024 08:16 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 08:15 AM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 08:01 AM)Rufus T. Firefly Wrote:  The issue is will Penny stop being bullheaded and utilize his assistant coaches instead of ignoring them.

I wonder why Stansbury would want to return if he's being ignored?

Add to the urban myths along with extra ranch dressing and massage therapists ?

Absolutely. People here love to say that, based on...what? Watching tv from the couch and getting a 3-second glimpse during a timeout in the heat of the battle?

Penny has had turnover at the AC position - for sure. But when you get past the narrative, I don't really see anything that concerns me. He's always had former HC on the bench. I don't think they would keep signing up, if he was as hard to work for as some here let on. And he's always taken some unconventional flyers on guys - some work and some don't.

Mitchell - former HC. Found out AC wasn't his thing and left to become an analyst.
Madlock - former HC. Lasted 3 seasons. Left to take a HC opportunity.
Miller - unconventional flyer. Lasted 2 seasons. Left to become a sports agent.
Toppert - lasted 3 seasons. Left for a LSU position.
Johnson - off and on for 4 seasons.
Brown - HOF HC. Left after a year because he didn't want to travel.
Wallace - unconventional flyer that didn't work.
Haith - former HC. Left to work for his buddy at Texas.

Who of these say Penny didn't listen to him? Only 2 left to take another AC position - and both had deeper connections with the new coach and both were power jobs.

We all would love to see more stabiliity. But you gotta remember, Penny didn't come up through the ranks traditionally, building coaching relationships along the way - so he started from square 1.

(03-25-2024 08:40 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 08:36 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 08:29 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  The first semblance of stability within the program in years.

Veatch comments last week. This news today. Maybe, just maybe they are trying to get serious about winning big in basketball again. Cobble together some NIL funds and let Penny and Stans do their thing on the recruiting trail.

He really just needs to tweak a few things. Last season he was imo one player short. Shoulda kept Nolley and probably would have if Lester hadn’t left. This year he had 3 players not pan out. One dude to injury , one due to losing his shot and one due to losing his shape and possibly bad fit.

He’s not as far off as everyone thinks

Penny was really counting on Lester coming back last year. It was a shocker to the staff - but to be fair - Lester was right.

Just think about the difference if we had gotten the timeout call against FAU, won that game and went on a little run into the S16. That's how close we've been. Of course, the Miserables here would still be miserable. But they'd be a bit quieter.

(03-25-2024 09:21 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 08:40 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 08:36 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 08:29 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  The first semblance of stability within the program in years.

Veatch comments last week. This news today. Maybe, just maybe they are trying to get serious about winning big in basketball again. Cobble together some NIL funds and let Penny and Stans do their thing on the recruiting trail.

He really just needs to tweak a few things. Last season he was imo one player short. Shoulda kept Nolley and probably would have if Lester hadn’t left. This year he had 3 players not pan out. One dude to injury , one due to losing his shot and one due to losing his shape and possibly bad fit.

He’s not as far off as everyone thinks

Last year should have been Boogie, Baugh & Jeffries senior year. What a difference it would have made had he been able to keep a roster together.

Just about every program in the country can say that. It's not unique to Memphis. Penny just has to figure this new world out. Last year it sorta worked - this year it didn't. Contrary to talking points, he has shown a willingness to adapt and learn in the new world of recruiting. First it was all the shiny HSers. Last year, it was all upperclassmen. This year was supposed to have been more of the blend of HSers and upperclassmen that I think we need. But key freshman Mikey turned out to be a bonehead, and wiped out our 2 highest rated HSers.

I am very interested to see how he puts next years team together.

(03-25-2024 07:34 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  Shocker to many for sure

My guess is-
maybe Penny's recent meeting with AD was one where they talked about keeping Stansbury. Maybe , there is some good $$$s to keep him around.
Maybe, young Stansbury, walk-on player, has fallen in love with a beautiful Memphis Co-ed. One thousand years ago, when I was a student at Memphis State, I would fall in love 2 or 3 times per day just walking across campus. Maybe he said, " hey Dad. Go wherever you like. I am staying here in Memphis."
But again , this is a guess. I do not have any clue who the hell the Stansbury kid is dating.

(03-25-2024 08:15 AM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 08:01 AM)Rufus T. Firefly Wrote:  The issue is will Penny stop being bullheaded and utilize his assistant coaches instead of ignoring them.

I wonder why Stansbury would want to return if he's being ignored?

I observed Rick and Penny up close at multiple away games this year in Texas. They seem to have a really good dynamic with one another. At every time out they talk together and then Penny goes into the huddle.

I honestly think Penny's biggest problem is his desire to be one of "The Guys" still and be cool with all of his players. Until he acts like a leader with them, they will not respect him the way they should and we can expect similar results as the last 6 years.

(03-25-2024 07:49 AM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 07:37 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 07:36 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 07:34 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  Shocker to many for sure

Count me in that group. I figured he’d be on the 1st thing smoking out of town

Might not have anywhere else to go

I wouldn't believe that for a minute. Stansbury is well known as a great recruiter. There would be plenty of head coaches that would be happy to have him on staff.

Totally agree. Glad to see he will be coming back. Can't do anything but help.

(03-25-2024 10:20 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 07:49 AM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 07:37 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 07:36 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 07:34 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  Shocker to many for sure

Count me in that group. I figured he’d be on the 1st thing smoking out of town

Might not have anywhere else to go

I wouldn't believe that for a minute. Stansbury is well known as a great recruiter. There would be plenty of head coaches that would be happy to have him on staff.

Of course he could go somewhere else as an AC. But it doesn't fit the Misereable narrative.

Why would he change jobs to go be an assistant somewhere else? He is top assistant here and probably likes Penny. Why move just to move unless the dollars were way bigger? Lateral moves tend to suck.

Do you have information that he was offered other job(s) and turned them down?

(03-25-2024 09:13 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 08:40 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 08:36 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 08:29 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  The first semblance of stability within the program in years.

Veatch comments last week. This news today. Maybe, just maybe they are trying to get serious about winning big in basketball again. Cobble together some NIL funds and let Penny and Stans do their thing on the recruiting trail.

He really just needs to tweak a few things. Last season he was imo one player short. Shoulda kept Nolley and probably would have if Lester hadn’t left. This year he had 3 players not pan out. One dude to injury , one due to losing his shot and one due to losing his shape and possibly bad fit.

He’s not as far off as everyone thinks

He has a whole roster to replace & cannot count on Jones to return; and if he does, he still has a put a supporting cast around him… a group of role players willing to sacrifice on the offensive end and still get play hard nosed, in your face defense.

Our issue is we have no “program culture” guys… guys like Sasser & Shead at Houston. We’ve been a revolving door & this past year, it caught up to us. DeAndre & ALo provided some of that in the past, but last year it was nonexistent & next year seems to be more of the same. We need some gritty, win at all costs 3-4 year guys, and then supplement them with an NIL need.

Yessir. It seems like all the National Champs have guys that's been with them 2-3 years at least. Some coaches seem to be able to get guys to stick around. Coach K was probably the best. Kelvin Sampson is good at it. When you have constant turnover nothing good comes out of it in any program. Ask Calipari. Kids don't leave a program if they are happy unless they are a first round pick. If it doesn't appear they are going to get P.T. guess what is going to happen. P.O.R.T.A.L...

(03-25-2024 10:42 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 09:21 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 08:40 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 08:36 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 08:29 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  The first semblance of stability within the program in years.

Veatch comments last week. This news today. Maybe, just maybe they are trying to get serious about winning big in basketball again. Cobble together some NIL funds and let Penny and Stans do their thing on the recruiting trail.

He really just needs to tweak a few things. Last season he was imo one player short. Shoulda kept Nolley and probably would have if Lester hadn’t left. This year he had 3 players not pan out. One dude to injury , one due to losing his shot and one due to losing his shape and possibly bad fit.

He’s not as far off as everyone thinks

Last year should have been Boogie, Baugh & Jeffries senior year. What a difference it would have made had he been able to keep a roster together.

Just about every program in the country can say that. It's not unique to Memphis. Penny just has to figure this new world out. Last year it sorta worked - this year it didn't. Contrary to talking points, he has shown a willingness to adapt and learn in the new world of recruiting. First it was all the shiny HSers. Last year, it was all upperclassmen. This year was supposed to have been more of the blend of HSers and upperclassmen that I think we need. But key freshman Mikey turned out to be a bonehead, and wiped out our 2 highest rated HSers.

I am very interested to see how he puts next years team together.

I listed only them because they left Memphis & then stayed put in their new programs… they weren’t perennial malcontents but just good kids leaving a toxic situation. In my opinion, those are the kind of kids we need… not a revolving door of multiple transfer mercenaries.

Last year worked because he had returning players like Alo & DeAndre & then added a kid in KD who was the consummate team player. KD only transferred out of SMU because his HC was forced out.

It’s still early.

(03-25-2024 07:34 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  Shocker to many for sure

no doubt

(03-25-2024 12:01 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 10:20 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 07:49 AM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 07:37 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 07:36 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  Count me in that group. I figured he’d be on the 1st thing smoking out of town

Might not have anywhere else to go

I wouldn't believe that for a minute. Stansbury is well known as a great recruiter. There would be plenty of head coaches that would be happy to have him on staff.

Of course he could go somewhere else as an AC. But it doesn't fit the Misereable narrative.

Why would he change jobs to go be an assistant somewhere else? He is top assistant here and probably likes Penny. Why move just to move unless the dollars were way bigger? Lateral moves tend to suck.

Do you have information that he was offered other job(s) and turned them down?

We are saying pretty much the same thing. If he hated working for Penny he would be BOH for a lateral move. But so far, he's not. Of course, if he gets a HC offer at a small school he will likely be BOH, but can't blame him there.

I was commenting on the narrative that Penny doesn't listen to his AC's and so everyone leaves first chance they get. Not really a factual commentary.

You know any school in the AAC - and many in the SEC - would be happy to have him as an AC.

(03-25-2024 12:08 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 10:42 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 09:21 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 08:40 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 08:36 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  Veatch comments last week. This news today. Maybe, just maybe they are trying to get serious about winning big in basketball again. Cobble together some NIL funds and let Penny and Stans do their thing on the recruiting trail.

He really just needs to tweak a few things. Last season he was imo one player short. Shoulda kept Nolley and probably would have if Lester hadn’t left. This year he had 3 players not pan out. One dude to injury , one due to losing his shot and one due to losing his shape and possibly bad fit.

He’s not as far off as everyone thinks

Last year should have been Boogie, Baugh & Jeffries senior year. What a difference it would have made had he been able to keep a roster together.

Just about every program in the country can say that. It's not unique to Memphis. Penny just has to figure this new world out. Last year it sorta worked - this year it didn't. Contrary to talking points, he has shown a willingness to adapt and learn in the new world of recruiting. First it was all the shiny HSers. Last year, it was all upperclassmen. This year was supposed to have been more of the blend of HSers and upperclassmen that I think we need. But key freshman Mikey turned out to be a bonehead, and wiped out our 2 highest rated HSers.

I am very interested to see how he puts next years team together.

I listed only them because they left Memphis & then stayed put in their new programs… they weren’t perennial malcontents but just good kids leaving a toxic situation. In my opinion, those are the kind of kids we need… not a revolving door of multiple transfer mercenaries.

Last year worked because he had returning players like Alo & DeAndre & then added a kid in KD who was the consummate team player. KD only transferred out of SMU because his HC was forced out.

You had me until "toxic situation". What are you talking about?

Boogie went home to a high major program, and developed on the typical trajectory of a 5-year player. - from 8-10 (Memphis), to 12-17 pts per game. Would love to have kept him, but he wanted back on the West coast. And he wasn't a true PG out there either.

Baugh was really a Nashville kid, and like most of the other 1,000+ players in the transfer portal, wanted more PT (and NIL) and left. He became a good player - but still made A LOT of turnovers at TCU. And he and TCU decided to part ways this year even though he still had his COVID year.

DJ may have had chemistry issues. He is a Lawson after all. But his best 2 years of college were the ones he spent at Memphis. There was actually a rumor he wanted to come back this year, but it never happened.

You seem to want to try to act like all the transfers are unique to Memphis and a judgement on Penny. Wake up - they are not.

I am in no way saying there are any issues between Penny and his assistants. I am saying, no matter who the assistants are, we play the exact same way. Nothing has changed at all, in any way, from day 1, regardless of assistants.

(03-25-2024 05:08 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  I am in no way saying there are any issues between Penny and his assistants. I am saying, no matter who the assistants are, we play the exact same way. Nothing has changed at all, in any way, from day 1, regardless of assistants.

Simply not true.
Turnovers are way down from what we saw those first few years.
D got really good - until this year.

(03-25-2024 05:17 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 05:08 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  I am in no way saying there are any issues between Penny and his assistants. I am saying, no matter who the assistants are, we play the exact same way. Nothing has changed at all, in any way, from day 1, regardless of assistants.

Simply not true.
Turnovers are way down from what we saw those first few years.
D got really good - until this year.

D has been good all along, until this year, and we had plenty of really bad turnover games this year... I mean Jones alone had as many turnovers as many teams had.

(03-25-2024 08:36 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 08:29 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  The first semblance of stability within the program in years.

Veatch comments last week. This news today. Maybe, just maybe they are trying to get serious about winning big in basketball again. Cobble together some NIL funds and let Penny and Stans do their thing on the recruiting trail.

Well since the top 7 or 8 players from last season had a payroll north of a million dollars Penny will need more of those NIL funds. The current rate for a starter in the SEC or the B1G is at minimum $250,000. So yep Penny will need many more. One of the reasons the tiger NIL was so low was because Mikey Williams took some shots at a car full of kids. His NIL was to have been $3.3million.