A. Oregon St./Washington St.

B. Oregon St./San Diego St.

C. San Diego St./Washington St.

D. Other combinations of 2 teams

This doesn't have to be the same for both leagues.

(03-24-2024 10:27 AM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  A. Oregon St./Washington St.

B. Oregon St./San Diego St.

C. San Diego St./Washington St.

D. Other combinations of 2 teams

This doesn't have to be the same for both leagues.

A.

ACC would go after Ariz, ASU, Utah, Colo before they settle on OSU, WSU, SDST

B-12 would need some balance & pick up eastern schools before looking out west
Conn, USF, Memphis

San Diego State should be one to get a piece of Southern California, They were runner ups last year and have a pretty good chance at back to back Sweet 16s.

(03-24-2024 10:27 AM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  A. Oregon St./Washington St.

B. Oregon St./San Diego St.

C. San Diego St./Washington St.

D. Other combinations of 2 teams

This doesn't have to be the same for both leagues.

Oregon State & Washington State, along with San Diego State.

(03-24-2024 10:44 AM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(03-24-2024 10:27 AM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  A. Oregon St./Washington St.

B. Oregon St./San Diego St.

C. San Diego St./Washington St.

D. Other combinations of 2 teams

This doesn't have to be the same for both leagues.

A.

A

Definitely A. ACC already has California incoming for the ACCN with Stanford & Cal, and the Big XII lacks a network to reap the increased value of the Golden State's high population. So they'd likely go for the existing P5 schools, which would offer 2 new states for ACCN in-market rates and a reunion and relief from any PAC guilt for the new members of the Big XII.

after thinking about it some, 2 schools would have to travell friendly
ASU & Utah, niether school was crazy about B-12. if that fails
SDST & ASU, if that fails
WSU, OSU

if ACC really wants SDST, UNLV

(03-24-2024 11:09 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  Definitely A. ACC already has California incoming for the ACCN with Stanford & Cal, and the Big XII lacks a network to reap the increased value of the Golden State's high population. So they'd likely go for the existing P5 schools, which would offer 2 new states for ACCN in-market rates and a reunion and relief from any PAC guilt for the new members of the Big XII.

I wasn't thinking about Pac Guilt so much as "who are the 2 most P4-ready programs out West right now?". SDSU and Boise are solid choices, too, but WSU and OSU have shown that they can bring the bacon in highly-rated football games and also that they can compete at a high level in both football and basketball.

(03-24-2024 11:20 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(03-24-2024 11:09 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  Definitely A. ACC already has California incoming for the ACCN with Stanford & Cal, and the Big XII lacks a network to reap the increased value of the Golden State's high population. So they'd likely go for the existing P5 schools, which would offer 2 new states for ACCN in-market rates and a reunion and relief from any PAC guilt for the new members of the Big XII.

I wasn't thinking about Pac Guilt so much as "who are the 2 most P4-ready programs out West right now?". SDSU and Boise are solid choices, too, but WSU and OSU have shown that they can bring the bacon in highly-rated football games and also that they can compete at a high level in both football and basketball.

I agree, that's what I meant by "existing P5 schools" but you've explained it way better!

Ideally, the ACC raids the Big12 for the 2 Arizona schools (politically connected) and the Big12 adds Fresno, Boise, Oregon St, WSU. So in a round about way each adds 2.

(03-24-2024 10:27 AM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  A. Oregon St./Washington St.

B. Oregon St./San Diego St.

C. San Diego St./Washington St.

D. Other combinations of 2 teams

This doesn't have to be the same for both leagues.

B for the Big 12

Maybe A for the ACC. Adding a California school doesn't add as much.

(03-24-2024 11:27 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(03-24-2024 11:20 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(03-24-2024 11:09 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  Definitely A. ACC already has California incoming for the ACCN with Stanford & Cal, and the Big XII lacks a network to reap the increased value of the Golden State's high population. So they'd likely go for the existing P5 schools, which would offer 2 new states for ACCN in-market rates and a reunion and relief from any PAC guilt for the new members of the Big XII.

I wasn't thinking about Pac Guilt so much as "who are the 2 most P4-ready programs out West right now?". SDSU and Boise are solid choices, too, but WSU and OSU have shown that they can bring the bacon in highly-rated football games and also that they can compete at a high level in both football and basketball.

I agree, that's what I meant by "existing P5 schools" but you've explained it way better!

I didn't mention this, but their Academics would also be acceptable to either of the M2. Oregon St is actually ahead of Oregon in ARWU (62-82), the same range as FSU, Iowa, Missouri, Nebraska, Rochester, UVA, and VT. That's a pretty great crowd. Washington St is a bit further back in the 100-117 range, but their group includes Georgetown, Rensselaer, Iowa St, UAB, Tennessee and South Carolina. They didn't look that impressive next to Stanford and Cal in the Pac 12, but compared to the entire P4 they're both roughly average.

BSU+FSU

In before David.

Interesting results so far, I thought we might see more of OSU/SDSU with OSU not terribly far from Portland (80 miles) and taking San Diego over WSU since WSU is 75 miles from Spokane (similar population to Boise). All 3 are worthy candidates and would love to see them in the ACC/B12 with UCONN, USF, and Memphis.

(03-24-2024 10:56 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  ACC would go after Ariz, ASU, Utah, Colo before they settle on OSU, WSU, SDST

B-12 would need some balance & pick up eastern schools before looking out west
Conn, USF, Memphis

Amen to this.

People need to stop grouping Wash St and Ore St together as M2 candidates. Ore St can be considered one of the top tier candidates out west along with SDSU and Col St.

Tier 1
1. SDSU
2. Ore St
3. Col St

Wash St is down another tier and has an academic ranking and fan attendance ranking that fits the MWC perfectly.

Tier2
4. Wash St - ideal for MWC
5. UNLV - lot of growth potential and a great market. Makes sense for Big 12.
6. Fresno St
7. Hawaii
8. New Mexico - fills a hole geographically for Big 12

A for ACC, B for B12.

I don't see any of the B12 western schools leaving for the ACC, so you can forget Zona, ASU, Utah and Colorado.

I've never quite understood why OSU and Wazzu get talked about so much in realignment, they got left behind for a reason. They really haven't been a power in football or basketball and they are much more in line with the MWC schools than ACC schools. They have had over a 100 year association with a major conference and are now becoming G5 programs with a soon to be P5 budget. That is going to hurt... a lot. Wazzu is in a much worse place financially than OSU.

Were the ACC to look west they would need to take at least three to create a pod of 5 for the west. OSU has a better following that Wazzu so I would say the first two taken are OSU and SDSU. After that it would be a choice between UNLV and Wazzu. UNLV has a higher ceiling than Wazzu. However, the PAC2 can only keep the money they are getting from their association with the PAC if they maintain the PAC conference.

(03-24-2024 11:46 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-24-2024 10:27 AM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  A. Oregon St./Washington St.

B. Oregon St./San Diego St.

C. San Diego St./Washington St.

D. Other combinations of 2 teams

This doesn't have to be the same for both leagues.

B for the Big 12

Maybe A for the ACC. Adding a California school doesn't add as much.

Maybe...although SDSU opens up SoCal for recruiting for ACC teams.

Plus they surely would take less than Cal/Stanford.

2 teams I'd go OSU and SDSU

3 teams I'd try to lure AZ St to join or maybe UNLV