Clemson is Clemson and Free Shoes U is Free Shoes U.

But if UNC's administration were to initiate its own separate legal response and join the fray in this curious ACC matter, how might that impact or not impact the conference's immediate and near future?

ICYMI: Here's a quote UNC BoT chairman John Preyer gave yesterday to WRAL-TV of Raleigh:

"The conference is not acting as if it is representing the best interests of the member schools including the top tier of those schools - Clemson, Florida State, North Carolina," Preyer said. ""Instead, it is acting at the expense of those schools to prop up the bottom tier of the conference in a way that I think is a gross abdication of responsibility. And I lay that at the feet of the commissioner."

Later in the story:

"Carolina has a great recognition that our brand is of interest to other conferences," Preyer said. "And rather than let Carolina explore that, it seems as if the conference and its commissioner want to deny any conversation or latitude that would even potentially allow for that. It's a member organization and I don't feel like all the members of the conference are being well served by that kind of leadership."

Also, I e-mailed Mr. Preyer to politely but sternly remind him Miami should be included in his "top tier" of schools since the Canes advanced to the Elite Eight in 2022 and Final Four in 2023 in men's basketball — the one revenue sport in which Preyer's own university actually competes at a high level from time to time.

Haven't heard back yet, but will keep y'all posted

John Preyer, UNC Trustees chair, put daylight between the Tar Heels' interests and the ACC's. This hints at decisions UNC as an institution might make. It also affects how the larger UNC community (including alumni and legal professionals) calibrate their loyalties. It marks a real shift when the ACC is no longer viewed as an automatic extension of the Chapel Hill 'home team.'

B-12, ESPN, Tex, Okla agreed to 50M with beefed up new contract

ACC, ESPN, 4 schools agree to 200M keeping GOR in place & option kicks in.

that's 800M with BB credits & entrance fee's that will be 1B to split 14 ways

ACC will survive, there will be no place to go, the Inn's full

Sorry, but the Big 10 and SEC are not looking to expand for now. ESPN and Fox Sports are losing money now. That sports media bubble have popped. The sports have jacked up the price of cable with the greed from the pros and from the big 2 in college sports.

(03-22-2024 10:25 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Sorry, but the Big 10 and SEC are not looking to expand for now. ESPN and Fox Sports are losing money now. That sports media bubble have popped. The sports have jacked up the price of cable with the greed from the pros and from the big 2 in college sports.

I disagree with this. I think if you are Notre Dame, Florida State, and North Carolina, the P2 will gladly expand to include you. Probably Clemson but who knows where they’re going.

If you’re any other school, except maybe UVa to the SEC, I don’t know that you have a new home right now.

UNC owns the land where the crumbling ACC plantation house is built...if they join the rebellion the jig is up. The ACC might not fold immediately and Jim Phillips no doubt has a countersuit ready to go, but the captives will go nuts behind the scenes and start squabbling over the few lifeboats. Yappy will get so many calls from less desirable ACC schools he'll have to change his number.

where do you think 18 schools are gonna go?
FSU, Clemson, NC have options
ND doesn't want to go anywhere

Mia, Va, GT, NCST, VT, Stanford, Duke are jockeying for #4, unless is it's Kansas

B-12 & BE with indepentant FB are not options

ACC needs to lose 4 before conf has to backfill

(03-22-2024 10:50 AM)TerpsvilleMayor Wrote:  

(03-22-2024 10:25 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Sorry, but the Big 10 and SEC are not looking to expand for now. ESPN and Fox Sports are losing money now. That sports media bubble have popped. The sports have jacked up the price of cable with the greed from the pros and from the big 2 in college sports.

I disagree with this. I think if you are Notre Dame, Florida State, and North Carolina, the P2 will gladly expand to include you. Probably Clemson but who knows where they’re going.

If you’re any other school, except maybe UVa to the SEC, I don’t know that you have a new home right now.

Agreed. And as for Notre Dame, ANY -- and I do mean any -- P4 league would love to have the Irish in the fold, especially as a full member. (That includes football, of course.) Will it happen? Most likely not.

Now to the other schools you listed. I think a block of Florida State, North Carolina, Clemson, and even Virginia could go to either the B1G or the SEC, depending on the culture said four-school block is looking to have and/or maintain. If it's geared more toward academic excellence with an emphasis on athletics, the B1G is the answer. If it's more of a fun southern collegiate atmosphere they seek, all signs point to the SEC. (But it's only my opinion so take it with a grain of salt, if you'd like.)

UNC is the foundation of the ACC. A move out of the ACC would be as consequential as if Michigan left the Big Ten.

At the same time, if the schools don't panic, they hang together. I don't think the money is there for more than 6 to leave. That still leaves 12 schools with UConn/USF/Memphis waiting in the wings for invitations. Those 3 wouldn't match the schools who left, but they are comparable to or better than SMU.

(03-22-2024 09:48 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  Clemson is Clemson and Free Shoes U is Free Shoes U.

But if UNC's administration were to initiate its own separate legal response and join the fray in this curious ACC matter, how might that impact or not impact the conference's immediate and near future?

ICYMI: Here's a quote UNC BoT chairman John Preyer gave yesterday to WRAL-TV of Raleigh:

"The conference is not acting as if it is representing the best interests of the member schools including the top tier of those schools - Clemson, Florida State, North Carolina," Preyer said. ""Instead, it is acting at the expense of those schools to prop up the bottom tier of the conference in a way that I think is a gross abdication of responsibility. And I lay that at the feet of the commissioner."

Later in the story:

"Carolina has a great recognition that our brand is of interest to other conferences," Preyer said. "And rather than let Carolina explore that, it seems as if the conference and its commissioner want to deny any conversation or latitude that would even potentially allow for that. It's a member organization and I don't feel like all the members of the conference are being well served by that kind of leadership."

John Preyer makes some excellent points, but unless he makes them to each and every UNC representative on the UNC BoG, this is pointless, IMO. But maybe that is what he doing through these different interviews he's been doing: letting the BoG know that it isn't UNC's nor NCSU's best interests to stay in the ACC. Somebody has to "light that rope."

(03-25-2024 10:31 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(03-22-2024 09:48 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  Clemson is Clemson and Free Shoes U is Free Shoes U.

But if UNC's administration were to initiate its own separate legal response and join the fray in this curious ACC matter, how might that impact or not impact the conference's immediate and near future?

ICYMI: Here's a quote UNC BoT chairman John Preyer gave yesterday to WRAL-TV of Raleigh:

"The conference is not acting as if it is representing the best interests of the member schools including the top tier of those schools - Clemson, Florida State, North Carolina," Preyer said. ""Instead, it is acting at the expense of those schools to prop up the bottom tier of the conference in a way that I think is a gross abdication of responsibility. And I lay that at the feet of the commissioner."

Later in the story:

"Carolina has a great recognition that our brand is of interest to other conferences," Preyer said. "And rather than let Carolina explore that, it seems as if the conference and its commissioner want to deny any conversation or latitude that would even potentially allow for that. It's a member organization and I don't feel like all the members of the conference are being well served by that kind of leadership."

John Preyer makes some excellent points, but unless he makes them to each and every UNC representative on the UNC BoG, this is pointless, IMO. But maybe that is what he doing through these different interviews he's been doing: letting the BoG know that it isn't UNC's nor NCSU's best interests to stay in the ACC. Somebody has to "light that rope."

3 in and 3 out. #4 is elsewhere.

Where's the value beyond those 3 for ESPN?

The ACC stands at 11 plus California, Stanford and S.M.U. to 14.

FOX has half interest in T.C.U. and schools in the Big 12 not named Texas and Oklahoma. ESPN still controls DFW and Austin and Norman, Florida, North Carolina, Georgia and Virginia.

Enter UConn and South Florida to take the ACC to 16, enter Colorado and Utah to take them to 18. Enter Tulane and West Virginia to 20.

Boston College, Connecticut, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, West Virginia

Duke, Louisville, N.C. State, Viginia, Virginia Tech

Georgia Tech, Miami, South Florida, Tulane, Wake Forest

California, Colorado, S.M.U. Stanford, Utah

*Notre Dame

I just don’t see a compelling argument for Big 12 schools to jump to the ACC.

Utah, Colorado, Arizona, and Arizona St all just picked the Big 12 over an ACC that had its crown gems. Why would they join a depleted one?

Cincinnati, WVU, and/or UCF might be interested in making a lateral move that’s more geographically friendly but I’m not sure all the private schools and AAU members would vote them in. The ACC is not going pay those schools’ ways out of the Big 12.

Unless the ACC is heavily depleted (loss of 8+ members) I don’t see an M1 forming, and if it did, I think the Big 12 would be the survivor, not the ACC.

(03-26-2024 11:55 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I just don’t see a compelling argument for Big 12 schools to jump to the ACC.

Utah, Colorado, Arizona, and Arizona St all just picked the Big 12 over an ACC that had its crown gems. Why would they join a depleted one?

Cincinnati, WVU, and/or UCF might be interested in making a lateral move that’s more geographically friendly but I’m not sure all the private schools and AAU members would vote them in. The ACC is not going pay those schools’ ways out of the Big 12.

Unless the ACC is heavily depleted (loss of 8+ members) I don’t see an M1 forming, and if it did, I think the Big 12 would be the survivor, not the ACC.

bolded - I agree - At least not any time soon.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...l-espn-fox

Quote:The Big 12 deal will expire in 2031, which is one year after the Big Ten's record-setting deal expires. Notably for the Big 12 moving forward, the contract comes up before the SEC (2034) and ACC (2036) deals expire.

I don't think anyone leaves the Big12 until they are much closer to the end of the media deal - or unless the P2 comes calling - and even in that latter case, I think it's 2026/7 at the earliest.

If UNC decides to sue the ACC and joins the ACCape then I think it puts the pressure on Duke and others to rally the remaining membership behind a common vision for the ACC going forward. It’s going to be critical to keep programs from being lured away by Brett Yormark’s Big 12. If Yormark can convince two to flip, others will follow and Louisville stands out as a program that would easily switch sides.

Getting Pitt, VT, GT, and potentially Miami if they are still around to buy into ACC brand is going to be critical. Pitt is the gateway to the league’s northeastern wing while the others have football brands that could succumb to notion that the ACC football brand has been irreparably damaged by the departures.

(03-26-2024 03:22 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  If UNC decides to sue the ACC and joins the ACCape then I think it puts the pressure on Duke and others to rally the remaining membership behind a common vision for the ACC going forward. It’s going to be critical to keep programs from being lured away by Brett Yormark’s Big 12. If Yormark can convince two to flip, others will follow and Louisville stands out as a program that would easily switch sides.

Getting Pitt, VT, GT, and potentially Miami if they are still around to buy into ACC brand is going to be critical. Pitt is the gateway to the league’s northeastern wing while the others have football brands that could succumb to notion that the ACC football brand has been irreparably damaged by the departures.

I don't think that Pitt (or GT or Miami) are leaving ND for anything less than P2.

Nobody wants to leave for a dead Big 12 conference with no brands.

All the ACC schools that are suing or with UNC wanted to be in on the lawsuit? They agreed to be on as equals including the bottom feeders. There are bottom feeders in Big 10 and SEC as well, and not making less. Now, the ACC president is doing this in the best interest as all the schools, and not just a bunch of crybabies in Clemson, FSU, UNC, Miami, etc. There is reports that some of the ACC schools have joined the ACC to counter sue FSU and Clemson for their breach on their agreement. Those schools argued that FSU and Clemson or any other schools that want to sue are in breach and in bad faith to the conference as a whole. They are not blaming the ACC or the leadership of it. They are actually blaming the two schools.