(03-22-2024 08:31 PM)Big8Fan Wrote:  

(03-22-2024 07:14 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(03-22-2024 06:37 PM)Big8Fan Wrote:  

(03-22-2024 10:48 AM)TerryD Wrote:  ND sits at the gravitational LaGrange Point for conference realignment.

Is Notre Dame at L1/L2/L3 (unstable equilibrium) or L4/L5 (stable equilibrium)?

I'd guess L1/2/3 for now, with their hope being to somehow make it to L4/L5. Not sure how likely that is though, nobody is really "stable" today, right?

Actually if the Big Ten and the SEC represent the dominant objects in the rotating system, the values of the key masses are roughly equal; with such a mass ratio there are no L4/L5 points (i.e., no places of stable equilibrium).

That accounts for quite a lot.

(03-22-2024 08:31 PM)Big8Fan Wrote:  

(03-22-2024 07:14 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(03-22-2024 06:37 PM)Big8Fan Wrote:  

(03-22-2024 10:48 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 08:58 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  But think of the rivalries: the Irish hate the entire Big 10–literally every game would be an ugly brawl.

(03-22-2024 09:38 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  Oh, that's easy:

To Big Ten, "You want us to join the ACC or SEC?"
To ACC: "You want us to join the Big Ten or SEC?"
To SEC: "You want us to join the Big Ten or ACC?"

ND sits at the gravitational LaGrange Point for conference realignment.

Is Notre Dame at L1/L2/L3 (unstable equilibrium) or L4/L5 (stable equilibrium)?

I'd guess L1/2/3 for now, with their hope being to somehow make it to L4/L5. Not sure how likely that is though, nobody is really "stable" today, right?

Actually if the Big Ten and the SEC represent the dominant objects in the rotating system, the values of the key masses are roughly equal; with such a mass ratio there are no L4/L5 points (i.e., no places of stable equilibrium).

Good thing there aren't 3 major conferences, if there were then we'd have a 3 Body Problem.

(03-21-2024 12:39 PM)Mav Wrote:  I think we all know how this one ends, folks.

The day following Miami's praise of the ACC, a lawyer for the conference says 'Florida has three schools in the Power 5: Florida State, UF, and UCF.'

Ouch.

https://www.on3.com/news/acc-lawyer-omit...ida-state/

(03-23-2024 02:53 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  The day following Miami's praise of the ACC, a lawyer for the conference says 'Florida has three schools in the Power 5: Florida State, UF, and UCF.'

Ouch.

Canes Football has been pretty forgettable the last 20 years

(03-23-2024 07:04 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(03-23-2024 02:53 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  The day following Miami's praise of the ACC, a lawyer for the conference says 'Florida has three schools in the Power 5: Florida State, UF, and UCF.'

Ouch.

Canes Football has been pretty forgettable the last 20 years

Naw, lawyers aren't really normal people in any sense of the word. He simply had no clue which schools were in the ACC. Besides you only have so much time to figure your billable hours, golf and philander and that's if you aren't running for Congress.

As much as UF/FSU would love to see the Canes wither away and die on the vine, there's not a Nole or a Gator with half a brain who'd willingly substitute UCF or USF into the Big Three.

The implications and repercussions would impact a whole lot more than sports

(03-22-2024 06:30 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(03-22-2024 05:34 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(03-22-2024 03:01 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I’m speculating here, but I think ND is frantically weighing their options to determine if a depleted ACC can net them a strong enough football schedule, with their 5 game commitment, to stay nationally relevant. I’m speculating here, but it probably would have a lot of major markets and the Irish love markets:

Bay Area (x2)
Dallas
Tampa (USF joins)
Miami
Atlanta
Charlotte/Raleigh (x2)
Pittsburgh
Boston

Basically everyone but Louisville, Syracuse, and the VA schools.

Alternatively, it’s joining the Big 10 and associating with all of their great markets and brands. No SOS issues as a full Big 10 member. Win 9 and you’re in the CFP.

I don't think that Notre Dame is frantic about a damn thing.

Honesty, the ACC - Clemson - FSU + USF might equal the ND dream conference.

Academically elite
National footprint
You get to bully them
Most suck at football and are easy wins

Sounds like Notre Dame’s MO. If UNC + a friend leave too we might start to enter too weak territory but for now thats cozy for ND.

You know, since you listed the four above, maybe the Big Ten is the ideal conference for ND after all.


Three out of four ain't bad....bullying it may not be possible though.

(03-22-2024 08:38 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-22-2024 05:34 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(03-22-2024 03:01 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I’m speculating here, but I think ND is frantically weighing their options to determine if a depleted ACC can net them a strong enough football schedule, with their 5 game commitment, to stay nationally relevant. I’m speculating here, but it probably would have a lot of major markets and the Irish love markets:

Bay Area (x2)
Dallas
Tampa (USF joins)
Miami
Atlanta
Charlotte/Raleigh (x2)
Pittsburgh
Boston

Basically everyone but Louisville, Syracuse, and the VA schools.

Alternatively, it’s joining the Big 10 and associating with all of their great markets and brands. No SOS issues as a full Big 10 member. Win 9 and you’re in the CFP.

I don't think that Notre Dame is frantic about a damn thing.

They were sure desperate to get Stanford in the ACC. They really want the ACC to remain a viable conference for them to be a 95% member of (90/90 other sports, 5/10 football).

"Desperate" is a vast overstatement.

(03-23-2024 07:21 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-23-2024 07:04 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(03-23-2024 02:53 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  The day following Miami's praise of the ACC, a lawyer for the conference says 'Florida has three schools in the Power 5: Florida State, UF, and UCF.'

Ouch.

Canes Football has been pretty forgettable the last 20 years

Naw, lawyers aren't really normal people in any sense of the word. He simply had no clue which schools were in the ACC. Besides you only have so much time to figure your billable hours, golf and philander and that's if you aren't running for Congress.

The ACC attorney was Sara Stone, I think...

(03-23-2024 07:21 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-23-2024 07:04 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(03-23-2024 02:53 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  The day following Miami's praise of the ACC, a lawyer for the conference says 'Florida has three schools in the Power 5: Florida State, UF, and UCF.'

Ouch.

Canes Football has been pretty forgettable the last 20 years

Naw, lawyers aren't really normal people in any sense of the word. He simply had no clue which schools were in the ACC. Besides you only have so much time to figure your billable hours, golf and philander and that's if you aren't running for Congress.

Lol. Guilty.

Since we are discussing what ND has done in the recent past:

In the past six months or so, ND had a To Do list and has negotiated the following:

--New, lucrative NBC TV deal---Check ($50-60 million per year)

--Richest apparel deal ever---Check (old Under Armour deal was $9.5 million a year, this one tops in the industry)

--Playoff access expansion--Check (more at large bids available, ND still treated as a conference of one by the CFP)

--P2 level playoff money ----Check ($12.5 million always plus $6 million bonus for making it, has a spot if in Top 14 of CFP rankings)

--ACC expansion/ESPN comp clause---Check (takes care of $17.4 million from ACC plus takes care of other sports)


So, that is $86 million a year (minimum) from NBC, the ACC/ESPN and the playoffs in years that ND qualifies for a spot.

Jack Swarbick put all of this in place before he retired, leaving ND in a very good place. He should get a statue on campus near the stadium.

(all of that without ND football having to join a conference)


ND did all of this heavy lifting this knowing that FSU and Clemson and possibly NC would sue.

Yet, people are certain that after putting all of this in place, ND will suddenly surrender football independence........

(03-23-2024 09:12 AM)TerryD Wrote:  Since we are discussing what ND has done in the recent past:

In the past six months or so, ND had a To Do list and has negotiated the following:

--New, lucrative NBC TV deal---Check ($50-60 million per year)

--Richest apparel deal ever---Check (old Under Armour deal was $9.5 million a year, this one tops in the industry)

--Playoff access expansion--Check (more at large bids available, ND still treated as a conference of one by the CFP)

--P2 level playoff money ----Check ($12.5 million always plus $6 million bonus for making it, has a spot if in Top 14 of CFP rankings)

--ACC expansion/ESPN comp clause---Check (takes care of $17.4 million from ACC plus takes care of other sports)


So, that is $86 million a year (minimum) from NBC, the ACC/ESPN and the playoffs in years that ND qualifies for a spot.

Jack Swarbick put all of this in place before he retired, leaving ND in a very good place. He should get a statue on campus near the stadium.

(all of that without ND football having to join a conference)


ND did all of this heavy lifting this knowing that FSU and Clemson and possibly NC would sue.

Yet, people are certain that after putting all of this in place, ND will suddenly surrender football independence........

The money is adequate, not P2 but better than M2. The exposure is good. But it could become a P2 world from media hype in the next decade which would force ND to make a choice between independence and football relevance.

It was that, not the money that pushed Texas into the SEC. They could have joined at any time since 1989.

(03-23-2024 08:44 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(03-23-2024 07:21 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-23-2024 07:04 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(03-23-2024 02:53 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  The day following Miami's praise of the ACC, a lawyer for the conference says 'Florida has three schools in the Power 5: Florida State, UF, and UCF.'

Ouch.

Canes Football has been pretty forgettable the last 20 years

Naw, lawyers aren't really normal people in any sense of the word. He simply had no clue which schools were in the ACC. Besides you only have so much time to figure your billable hours, golf and philander and that's if you aren't running for Congress.

The ACC attorney was Sara Stone, I think...

Gender doesn't make a difference you sexist!