(03-21-2024 08:51 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  Gohlke, a former D2 player, beat Kentucky. Maybe we should go get some really good D2 players that are happy to be here at D1

Great thought but Gohlke might be a one in a million. I love the idea of getting a sharp shooting specialist. A Brad Soucie. Everyone needs that.

(03-21-2024 10:32 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  Kentucky with their million dollar payroll gets taken down by Oakland a team that plays team ball. Tyson would average 10-14 ppg at Oakland maybe that would be a good spot for him.


Message for Heath - play team ball and don’t bring in players who want a 100 shots per game. It hasn’t worked for you!!

That said, Gohlke was launching from the cheap seats...he made 10 of them! This is why the tournament is my favorite sporting event ever. If they play 10 times, Kentucky wins 9. Oakland won when it mattered!

(03-22-2024 06:27 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 08:51 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  Gohlke, a former D2 player, beat Kentucky. Maybe we should go get some really good D2 players that are happy to be here at D1

Great thought but Gohlke might be a one in a million. I love the idea of getting a sharp shooting specialist. A Brad Soucie. Everyone needs that.

It was a neat win but Gohlke was a transfer and thus is ruining college sports. i couldnt enjoy it.

(03-22-2024 07:08 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(03-22-2024 06:27 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 08:51 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  Gohlke, a former D2 player, beat Kentucky. Maybe we should go get some really good D2 players that are happy to be here at D1

Great thought but Gohlke might be a one in a million. I love the idea of getting a sharp shooting specialist. A Brad Soucie. Everyone needs that.

It was a neat win but Gohlke was a transfer and thus is ruining college sports. i couldnt enjoy it.

Bad example. Always been the case that D2 transfers don't have to sit out a year.

MAC mens basketball will be in a case of constant rebuilding thanks to the transfer rule and NIL. Unless someone hits the transfer lottery jackpot the league will lose more talent then it gains.

(03-22-2024 07:11 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(03-22-2024 07:08 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(03-22-2024 06:27 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 08:51 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  Gohlke, a former D2 player, beat Kentucky. Maybe we should go get some really good D2 players that are happy to be here at D1

Great thought but Gohlke might be a one in a million. I love the idea of getting a sharp shooting specialist. A Brad Soucie. Everyone needs that.

It was a neat win but Gohlke was a transfer and thus is ruining college sports. i couldnt enjoy it.

Bad example. Always been the case that D2 transfers don't have to sit out a year.

Why? That's arbitrary. A player transferred to a place that lines up with his talent. That it's D2 to D1 and not D1 to D1 doesn't matter for anything beyond paperwork.All these rules are made up.

(03-22-2024 07:11 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(03-22-2024 07:08 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(03-22-2024 06:27 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 08:51 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  Gohlke, a former D2 player, beat Kentucky. Maybe we should go get some really good D2 players that are happy to be here at D1

Great thought but Gohlke might be a one in a million. I love the idea of getting a sharp shooting specialist. A Brad Soucie. Everyone needs that.

It was a neat win but Gohlke was a transfer and thus is ruining college sports. i couldnt enjoy it.

Bad example. Always been the case that D2 transfers don't have to sit out a year.

Bob, I don't think you are correct.

Transferring down didn't have to sit out, but transferring up meant sitting out.

In hoops, Marcus Kennedy had to sit up going from D-2 to D-1.

Can someone tell me if I'm wrong???

Edit:

https://www.thedraftreview.com/index.php...&Itemid=33

(03-22-2024 07:35 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(03-22-2024 07:11 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(03-22-2024 07:08 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(03-22-2024 06:27 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 08:51 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  Gohlke, a former D2 player, beat Kentucky. Maybe we should go get some really good D2 players that are happy to be here at D1

Great thought but Gohlke might be a one in a million. I love the idea of getting a sharp shooting specialist. A Brad Soucie. Everyone needs that.

It was a neat win but Gohlke was a transfer and thus is ruining college sports. i couldnt enjoy it.

Bad example. Always been the case that D2 transfers don't have to sit out a year.

Bob, I don't think you are correct.

Transferring down didn't have to sit out, but transferring up meant sitting out.

In hoops, Marcus Kennedy had to sit up going from D-2 to D-1.

Can someone tell me if I'm wrong???

Edit:

https://www.thedraftreview.com/index.php...&Itemid=33

Huh. You are right. I stand corrected. I always thought D2 players could move up or down without sitting out a year.

(03-22-2024 08:03 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(03-22-2024 07:32 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(03-22-2024 07:11 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(03-22-2024 07:08 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(03-22-2024 06:27 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Great thought but Gohlke might be a one in a million. I love the idea of getting a sharp shooting specialist. A Brad Soucie. Everyone needs that.

It was a neat win but Gohlke was a transfer and thus is ruining college sports. i couldnt enjoy it.

Bad example. Always been the case that D2 transfers don't have to sit out a year.

Why? That's arbitrary. A player transferred to a place that lines up with his talent. That it's D2 to D1 and not D1 to D1 doesn't matter for anything beyond paperwork.All these rules are made up.

It's not arbitrary at all! Just like 1991, if a D2 guy wants to transfer up like Marcus Kennedy did, come on up. Don't sit out a year. I agree with you in that the transfer rules for D2 players should remain the same. You have no point.

Whats wider the gap between D2 and D1 or Low D1 and High D1? Movement is movement. Who cares about divisions.

(03-22-2024 08:07 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(03-22-2024 08:03 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(03-22-2024 07:32 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(03-22-2024 07:11 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(03-22-2024 07:08 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  It was a neat win but Gohlke was a transfer and thus is ruining college sports. i couldnt enjoy it.

Bad example. Always been the case that D2 transfers don't have to sit out a year.

Why? That's arbitrary. A player transferred to a place that lines up with his talent. That it's D2 to D1 and not D1 to D1 doesn't matter for anything beyond paperwork.All these rules are made up.

It's not arbitrary at all! Just like 1991, if a D2 guy wants to transfer up like Marcus Kennedy did, come on up. Don't sit out a year. I agree with you in that the transfer rules for D2 players should remain the same. You have no point.

Whats wider the gap between D2 and D1 or Low D1 and High D1? Movement is movement. Who cares about divisions.

I was wrong. D2 players did have to sit out a year.

Mid-Major D1 players are waaaay closer to high D1 players in my opinion. If they weren't you wouldn't see all these wonderful upsets. You put EMU in the D2 tournament and they roll through it with no problem. It's not even close and if you can find another Marcus Kennedy or Jack Gohlke or Duncan Robinson in the D2 ranks, offer them immediately but good luck with that.

(03-22-2024 07:19 AM)emu79 Wrote:  MAC mens basketball will be in a case of constant rebuilding thanks to the transfer rule and NIL. Unless someone hits the transfer lottery jackpot the league will lose more talent then it gains.

100%

(03-22-2024 08:13 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(03-22-2024 08:07 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(03-22-2024 08:03 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(03-22-2024 07:32 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(03-22-2024 07:11 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Bad example. Always been the case that D2 transfers don't have to sit out a year.

Why? That's arbitrary. A player transferred to a place that lines up with his talent. That it's D2 to D1 and not D1 to D1 doesn't matter for anything beyond paperwork.All these rules are made up.

It's not arbitrary at all! Just like 1991, if a D2 guy wants to transfer up like Marcus Kennedy did, come on up. Don't sit out a year. I agree with you in that the transfer rules for D2 players should remain the same. You have no point.

Whats wider the gap between D2 and D1 or Low D1 and High D1? Movement is movement. Who cares about divisions.

I was wrong. D2 players did have to sit out a year.

Mid-Major D1 players are waaaay closer to high D1 players in my opinion. If they weren't you wouldn't see all these wonderful upsets. You put EMU in the D2 tournament and they roll through it with no problem. It's not even close and if you can find another Marcus Kennedy or Jack Gohlke or Duncan Robinson in the D2 ranks, offer them immediately but good luck with that.

Player movement is fine actually and everyone on this board needs to chill out.

Next you guys are gonna tell me that allowing Freshman to play varsity is killing the sport.

I am going to agree with Splaining a bit here. As discussed elsewhere, other then TyCuff EMU’s transfers are not impacting the core of the team.

I think the economics of the situation will eventually rebalance transfers to a more reasonable level. Players are going to find that they are transferring laterally, down, or even OUT. Bad players will find it is better to ride the bench for a crummy mid-major D1 team rather then risk being relegated to a stud on an intramural/rec league team while paying for college on their own. Guys like Lovejoy and Osojnik who show promise as freshman are going to reallize they need to stick it out for 2-3 years until they have their stud season that enables them to actually transfer UP instead of laterally.

But I reallize Bob’s point that if we somehow get a freshman phenom, then it is a totally moot point because he will be gone for the next year. Or even losing Lovejoy’s or Osojnik’s optimal play as senior or junior will indeed be disappointing.

(03-22-2024 08:13 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(03-22-2024 08:07 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  Whats wider the gap between D2 and D1 or Low D1 and High D1? Movement is movement. Who cares about divisions.

…

Mid-Major D1 players are waaaay closer to high D1 players in my opinion. If they weren't you wouldn't see all these wonderful upsets. You put EMU in the D2 tournament and they roll through it with no problem. …

BobW is 100% dead on with this. The minuscule differences between high majors and mid majors athletes do add up accross a team and over the course of a game though. Not to say D2 are chumps at all, just the minuscule differences are a little greater

(03-22-2024 08:21 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(03-22-2024 08:13 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(03-22-2024 08:07 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  

(03-22-2024 08:03 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(03-22-2024 07:32 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  Why? That's arbitrary. A player transferred to a place that lines up with his talent. That it's D2 to D1 and not D1 to D1 doesn't matter for anything beyond paperwork.All these rules are made up.

It's not arbitrary at all! Just like 1991, if a D2 guy wants to transfer up like Marcus Kennedy did, come on up. Don't sit out a year. I agree with you in that the transfer rules for D2 players should remain the same. You have no point.

Whats wider the gap between D2 and D1 or Low D1 and High D1? Movement is movement. Who cares about divisions.

I was wrong. D2 players did have to sit out a year.

Mid-Major D1 players are waaaay closer to high D1 players in my opinion. If they weren't you wouldn't see all these wonderful upsets. You put EMU in the D2 tournament and they roll through it with no problem. It's not even close and if you can find another Marcus Kennedy or Jack Gohlke or Duncan Robinson in the D2 ranks, offer them immediately but good luck with that.

Player movement is fine actually and everyone on this board needs to chill out.

Next you guys are gonna tell me that allowing Freshman to play varsity is killing the sport.

You're the one that needs to do a so called "chill out"! :coffee3:

These Portal Rankings are funny:

Dug McDaniel (UofM Pg) who is in the transfer portal is rated a four star transfer and given a 0.900 rating - laughable. Orlando Lovejoy, outplayed him even though Orlando can’t shoot the 3 ball.

Payton Sparks (former MAC FOTY and IU player) was given a 2 star rating and a 0.790 rating - laughable! I bet he goes back to BSU or some mid major will be very lucky to get him!

Tyson Acuff only rated a 3 star and given a 0.850 rating. Tyson better than UofMs McDaniel. I suspect Tyson comes back to EMU because he’s only averaging 10 ppg at the high major level and will not develop his game but a $100k NIL deal will force him to sign elsewhere.

Pg Braelen Green is in the transfer portal. We were his first D1 offer but unfortunately for us Oakland and MSU offered out of high school too

Y'all,

I am getting bothered by this portal and NIL thing. In the past I felt like I could have an unvarnished but plausible opinion on how to make EMU basketball rack up wins. Now I don't have any idea how to make EMU basketball rack up wins.

You could try to land an insanely talented player. So we did. He's a two-way in the NBA now. Result: 8-23 (but Emoni shot .405!)
You could try to get a core team together. So we did. Result: Two-thirds of them are transferring before we can get any traction.
You could try a new coach. So we did. He's got a lot of experience, too. Result: (insert terrible record here).

Screw it, y'all tell ME what we're supposed to do here.

(03-22-2024 02:03 PM)Block_E Wrote:  Y'all,

I am getting bothered by this portal and NIL thing. In the past I felt like I could have an unvarnished but plausible opinion on how to make EMU basketball rack up wins. Now I don't have any idea how to make EMU basketball rack up wins.

You could try to land an insanely talented player. So we did. He's a two-way in the NBA now. Result: 8-23 (but Emoni shot .405!)
You could try to get a core team together. So we did. Result: Two-thirds of them are transferring before we can get any traction.
You could try a new coach. So we did. He's got a lot of experience, too. Result: (insert terrible record here).

Screw it, y'all tell ME what we're supposed to do here.

Hire a young coach who knows the game and can recruit, recruit, recruit!!!

(03-22-2024 12:23 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  Pg Braelen Green is in the transfer portal. We were his first D1 offer but unfortunately for us Oakland and MSU offered out of high school too

Lincoln kid. His dad is even a principal there. The kid can leap out of the gym.