The Big12 has this provision, but I never heard that the ACC also has this same provision. This could be a game changer for the ACC if that provision also applies.

For one, it would not benefit the ACC if FSU left, the ACC needs them now more than ever, just pay FSU what they deserve and they can grab the ACC a better piece of the playoff pie. Clemson has been a bit quiet, but if you pay FSU then you better pay Clemson. Besides, do you really want to tempt ESPN to pull the rug out from under the ACC?

For two, if the ACC get's a bigger piece of the pie, then all of a sudden the most attractive teams in the Big12 will be ripe for the picking. Success begets success.

(03-18-2024 11:23 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  The Big12 has this provision, but I never heard that the ACC also has this same provision. This could be a game changer for the ACC if that provision also applies.

For one, it would not benefit the ACC if FSU left, the ACC needs them now more than ever, just pay FSU what they deserve and they can grab the ACC a better piece of the playoff pie. Clemson has been a bit quiet, but if you pay FSU then you better pay Clemson. Besides, do you really want to tempt ESPN to pull the rug out from under the ACC?

For two, if the ACC get's a bigger piece of the pie, then all of a sudden the most attractive teams in the Big12 will be ripe for the picking. Success begets success.

I've said before, I'd be okay with paying FSU more if they demonstrate a commitment to the conference, such as if they sign a GOR extension through 2041 as well as an obligation to return all increased conference distributions, with interest, if they leave the conference prior to the end of the contract, on top of the usual exit fee and necessary full GOR buyout costs.

There is zero chance FSU will get a dime more if they are they are leaving anyway, which is what they've been saying and signaling.

(03-18-2024 11:53 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(03-18-2024 11:23 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  The Big12 has this provision, but I never heard that the ACC also has this same provision. This could be a game changer for the ACC if that provision also applies.

For one, it would not benefit the ACC if FSU left, the ACC needs them now more than ever, just pay FSU what they deserve and they can grab the ACC a better piece of the playoff pie. Clemson has been a bit quiet, but if you pay FSU then you better pay Clemson. Besides, do you really want to tempt ESPN to pull the rug out from under the ACC?

For two, if the ACC get's a bigger piece of the pie, then all of a sudden the most attractive teams in the Big12 will be ripe for the picking. Success begets success.

I've said before, I'd be okay with paying FSU more if they demonstrate a commitment to the conference, such as if they sign a GOR extension through 2041 as well as an obligation to return all increased conference distributions, with interest, if they leave the conference prior to the end of the contract, on top of the usual exit fee and necessary full GOR buyout costs.

There is zero chance FSU will get a dime more if they are they are leaving anyway, which is what they've been saying and signaling.

That's the rub ain't it? The 2 parties don't trust each other and FSU is the one that feels betrayed, I don't think FSU is the one that takes the first step in reconciliation, but I hope the 2 can come together.

What would it take? I think Clemson should be the one to negotiate and see what they can push for. If they can insure that the ones to make the playoff (that season) earns the same % as SEC/B1G, then that's a good start. That leaves about a $30m annual deficit relative to the SEC/B1G that needs to be closed. If the ACC can bring up another G5 and skim their wages and divide it up between the 3 (FSU, Clem, UNC) that did not vote in favor of expansion, it's no longer worth the price getting out of the GoRs early and pursuing the lawsuit. That will get FSU to 2036, but not a guarantee they stay longer, the new ACC contract would need to guarantee FSU makes as much as the SEC/B1G or possibly something like within 10% of it.

Financing the ACC success initiative to make CFP participants earn equal to an SEC seems equitable.

IIRC
- even distribution of ACC CFP shares = $13M per team
- even distribution of SEC CFP shares = $23M per team
- so the delta is $10M per CFP participant. Note that ND already negotiated a $6M bonus if they make the new CFP, so a $10M bonus is not out of proportion.

A portion of this “success initiative” is already being funded by the expansion of Cal, Stanford & SMU. If there is only one CFP participant from the ACC, then it would not cost much to any one individual team (maybe $200K per team to fund). If 2 or 3 teams make the CFP, then the cost begins to grow ($600K per team)…but the reputation of the ACC also improves.

(03-18-2024 01:03 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  Financing the ACC success initiative to make CFP participants earn equal to an SEC seems equitable.

IIRC
- even distribution of ACC CFP shares = $13M per team
- even distribution of SEC CFP shares = $23M per team
- so the delta is $10M per CFP participant. Note that ND already negotiated a $6M bonus if they make the new CFP, so a $10M bonus is not out of proportion.

A portion of this “success initiative” is already being funded by the expansion of Cal, Stanford & SMU. If there is only one CFP participant from the ACC, then it would not cost much to any one individual team (maybe $200K per team to fund). If 2 or 3 teams make the CFP, then the cost begins to grow ($600K per team)…but the reputation of the ACC also improves.

Exactly right. Whatever is lost on the front end is more than made up on the back end. Just so we don’t have moving goal post.

(03-18-2024 11:23 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  The Big12 has this provision, but I never heard that the ACC also has this same provision. This could be a game changer for the ACC if that provision also applies.

For one, it would not benefit the ACC if FSU left, the ACC needs them now more than ever, just pay FSU what they deserve and they can grab the ACC a better piece of the playoff pie. Clemson has been a bit quiet, but if you pay FSU then you better pay Clemson. Besides, do you really want to tempt ESPN to pull the rug out from under the ACC?

For two, if the ACC get's a bigger piece of the pie, then all of a sudden the most attractive teams in the Big12 will be ripe for the picking. Success begets success.

From what I've read, no ACC was willing to pay another team (FSU, Clemson) more just because of who they are. All incentives were added for participating in the ACCT and placing and advancing in the CFP. And likewise something for Men's basketball. That's all they should do.

(03-18-2024 02:29 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(03-18-2024 11:23 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  The Big12 has this provision, but I never heard that the ACC also has this same provision. This could be a game changer for the ACC if that provision also applies.

For one, it would not benefit the ACC if FSU left, the ACC needs them now more than ever, just pay FSU what they deserve and they can grab the ACC a better piece of the playoff pie. Clemson has been a bit quiet, but if you pay FSU then you better pay Clemson. Besides, do you really want to tempt ESPN to pull the rug out from under the ACC?

For two, if the ACC get's a bigger piece of the pie, then all of a sudden the most attractive teams in the Big12 will be ripe for the picking. Success begets success.

From what I've read, no ACC was willing to pay another team (FSU, Clemson) more just because of who they are. All incentives were added for participating in the ACCT and placing and advancing in the CFP. And likewise something for Men's basketball. That's all they should do.

Correct, and FSU hasn't made the CFP for like a decade.

(03-18-2024 01:03 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  Financing the ACC success initiative to make CFP participants earn equal to an SEC seems equitable.

IIRC
- even distribution of ACC CFP shares = $13M per team
- even distribution of SEC CFP shares = $23M per team
- so the delta is $10M per CFP participant. Note that ND already negotiated a $6M bonus if they make the new CFP, so a $10M bonus is not out of proportion.

A portion of this “success initiative” is already being funded by the expansion of Cal, Stanford & SMU. If there is only one CFP participant from the ACC, then it would not cost much to any one individual team (maybe $200K per team to fund). If 2 or 3 teams make the CFP, then the cost begins to grow ($600K per team)…but the reputation of the ACC also improves.

I've seen $21m SEC and B18

Between $13-14m for the ACC

(03-18-2024 01:38 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(03-18-2024 01:03 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  Financing the ACC success initiative to make CFP participants earn equal to an SEC seems equitable.

IIRC
- even distribution of ACC CFP shares = $13M per team
- even distribution of SEC CFP shares = $23M per team
- so the delta is $10M per CFP participant. Note that ND already negotiated a $6M bonus if they make the new CFP, so a $10M bonus is not out of proportion.

A portion of this “success initiative” is already being funded by the expansion of Cal, Stanford & SMU. If there is only one CFP participant from the ACC, then it would not cost much to any one individual team (maybe $200K per team to fund). If 2 or 3 teams make the CFP, then the cost begins to grow ($600K per team)…but the reputation of the ACC also improves.

Exactly right. Whatever is lost on the front end is more than made up on the back end. Just so we don’t have moving goal post.

"moving goalpost"? You mean like "13-0 Power Conference Champion isn't good enough" - that kind of thing?

I think the whole anti-AQ argument died when FSU was left out. How can we EVER trust the Selection Committee to do the right thing now?