(03-19-2024 07:50 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-19-2024 12:15 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(03-18-2024 11:59 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(03-17-2024 06:10 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(03-17-2024 06:03 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  MWC have 6 teams with 20+ wins and UNLV with a 19 win season. It was the same like last year. With San Diego State that went to the championship game helped MWC get more bids this year. 6 teams got in the field and UNLV came close. MWC is flexing their muscles, and it is a shame that the Big 12 have not looked at any of their schools to add. Big 12 would be rocking with MWC men's basketball schools.

Eh, Arizona and Colorado are joining our league in less than five months, and they're both tourney teams. I think we'll be fine. (But yes, congrats to the Mountain West this season.)

Take a look at Colorado's BB history when you get a chance.

The PAC sucks this year. Zona has some good wins but also some bad conference losses (WSU x 2, Ore. St, Stanford, USC, and Oregon. They also lost OOC to FAU. How they got 4 teams in is beyond me.

WSU is a 7 seed, Oregon an 11, and FAU is an 8 seed... how could those possibly be "bad" losses?

Arizona has 8 wins against NCAAT teams, including @ Duke. They're 8-3 in Q1 games and 7-4 in Q2 games.

You're just mad that they fell apart before they could invite SDSU.

I'm not an SDSU fan, but I think that would have been the best thing for the sport with perhaps UNLV (ideally BYU) for #10.

Oh I don't disagree, I thought SDSU was a shoe-in and that they were a perfect fit. But AztecGolfer was still wrong in criticizing UArizona's "bad" losses.

(03-18-2024 09:41 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(03-17-2024 08:17 PM)esayem Wrote:  TRIGGER ALERT I'm sure this post will trigger some of you


What I got right: aTm being in safely, FAU gettin in, the ACC not being completely shafted (UVa finished ahead of Clemson but has to play-in?), Oklahoma being deservedly left out

What I got wrong: Oklahoma being rated ahead of Pitt. In every metric Pitt was ahead of them.

St. John's being behind Seton Hall. Are they punishing Pitino? I just don't understand that one

Notes:
I feel for Indiana State, but I somewhat expected it to happen. It sucks because Indiana or Purdue won't schedule them.

Big East was apparently not taken seriously while the Mountain Joke was? Good lawd if there isn't a more underperforming tournament league than the MWC, I don't know it. If Clemson and UVa don't show up, I'll eat my words.

I don't disagree with most of your points LOL. Six MWC bids is a joke. Oklahoma didn't deserve to get in. Indy St was a damn good squad that picked a bad time for a loss. That said, you may have to eat your words. UVa didn't get any favors having to play the extra play-in game and Clemson got a difficult draw in New Mexico. I do have UNC in my FF and that's all that most fans remember anyway.

The Mountain West - the 5 at-large teams all deserved to be there. New Mexico played their way in (and frankly should have been an at-large team.

Not sure why people can't accept the Mountain West is a good and deep basketball conference, that frankly was vastly UNDERSEEDED, again.

(03-19-2024 11:03 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(03-18-2024 09:41 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(03-17-2024 08:17 PM)esayem Wrote:  TRIGGER ALERT I'm sure this post will trigger some of you


What I got right: aTm being in safely, FAU gettin in, the ACC not being completely shafted (UVa finished ahead of Clemson but has to play-in?), Oklahoma being deservedly left out

What I got wrong: Oklahoma being rated ahead of Pitt. In every metric Pitt was ahead of them.

St. John's being behind Seton Hall. Are they punishing Pitino? I just don't understand that one

Notes:
I feel for Indiana State, but I somewhat expected it to happen. It sucks because Indiana or Purdue won't schedule them.

Big East was apparently not taken seriously while the Mountain Joke was? Good lawd if there isn't a more underperforming tournament league than the MWC, I don't know it. If Clemson and UVa don't show up, I'll eat my words.

I don't disagree with most of your points LOL. Six MWC bids is a joke. Oklahoma didn't deserve to get in. Indy St was a damn good squad that picked a bad time for a loss. That said, you may have to eat your words. UVa didn't get any favors having to play the extra play-in game and Clemson got a difficult draw in New Mexico. I do have UNC in my FF and that's all that most fans remember anyway.

The Mountain West - the 5 at-large teams all deserved to be there. New Mexico played their way in (and frankly should have been an at-large team.

Not sure why people can't accept the Mountain West is a good and deep basketball conference, that frankly was vastly UNDERSEEDED, again.

vs P6 OOC is why

The Good
Colorado St. - BC W, Colorado W, Creighton W, Washington W
Nevada - Washington W, TCU W, GaTech W
SDSU - BYU L, Washington W, Cal W, Stanford W

The Bad
Utah State - no P6 opponents; NET manipulation at its finest

The Ugly
Boise - VaTech L, Clemson L, Butler L, Wazzou L

None of those schedules are particularly difficult.

CSU kind of stunk it up in conference and snuck their way in, while BSU did the opposite. Both deserve to play-in. Nothing on their resumes say otherwise.


Maybe Washington should stop scheduling MWC teams lol

(03-19-2024 11:35 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-19-2024 11:03 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(03-18-2024 09:41 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(03-17-2024 08:17 PM)esayem Wrote:  TRIGGER ALERT I'm sure this post will trigger some of you


What I got right: aTm being in safely, FAU gettin in, the ACC not being completely shafted (UVa finished ahead of Clemson but has to play-in?), Oklahoma being deservedly left out

What I got wrong: Oklahoma being rated ahead of Pitt. In every metric Pitt was ahead of them.

St. John's being behind Seton Hall. Are they punishing Pitino? I just don't understand that one

Notes:
I feel for Indiana State, but I somewhat expected it to happen. It sucks because Indiana or Purdue won't schedule them.

Big East was apparently not taken seriously while the Mountain Joke was? Good lawd if there isn't a more underperforming tournament league than the MWC, I don't know it. If Clemson and UVa don't show up, I'll eat my words.

I don't disagree with most of your points LOL. Six MWC bids is a joke. Oklahoma didn't deserve to get in. Indy St was a damn good squad that picked a bad time for a loss. That said, you may have to eat your words. UVa didn't get any favors having to play the extra play-in game and Clemson got a difficult draw in New Mexico. I do have UNC in my FF and that's all that most fans remember anyway.

The Mountain West - the 5 at-large teams all deserved to be there. New Mexico played their way in (and frankly should have been an at-large team.

Not sure why people can't accept the Mountain West is a good and deep basketball conference, that frankly was vastly UNDERSEEDED, again.

vs P6 OOC is why

The Good
Colorado St. - BC W, Colorado W, Creighton W, Washington W
Nevada - Washington W, TCU W, GaTech W
SDSU - BYU L, Washington W, Cal W, Stanford W

The Bad
Utah State - no P6 opponents; NET manipulation at its finest

The Ugly
Boise - VaTech L, Clemson L, Butler L, Wazzou L

None of those schedules are particularly difficult.

CSU kind of stunk it up in conference and snuck their way in, while BSU did the opposite. Both deserve to play-in. Nothing on their resumes say otherwise.


Maybe Washington should stop scheduling MWC teams lol

New Mexico vs Clemson will be a good match-up, since based on your criteria, Clemson Stunk it up in conference (9 losses)

(03-18-2024 11:59 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(03-17-2024 06:10 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(03-17-2024 06:03 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  MWC have 6 teams with 20+ wins and UNLV with a 19 win season. It was the same like last year. With San Diego State that went to the championship game helped MWC get more bids this year. 6 teams got in the field and UNLV came close. MWC is flexing their muscles, and it is a shame that the Big 12 have not looked at any of their schools to add. Big 12 would be rocking with MWC men's basketball schools.

Eh, Arizona and Colorado are joining our league in less than five months, and they're both tourney teams. I think we'll be fine. (But yes, congrats to the Mountain West this season.)

Take a look at Colorado's BB history when you get a chance.

The PAC sucks this year. Zona has some good wins but also some bad conference losses (WSU x 2, Ore. St, Stanford, USC, and Oregon. They also lost OOC to FAU. How they got 4 teams in is beyond me.

Colorado has won 20 or more games 10 times in the past 14 seasons and have had just one losing season in the past 14 years. They have made the NCAA tournament six times in the past 14 seasons. They have a decent basketball program. This season, they have three possible first round NBA prospects on their team. Injuries have slowed them down, but they are healthy now.

On3 recruiting had Oregon with the 3rd best 2023 basketball recruiting class in the nation and USC with the 4th best recruiting classes in the country. USC has had a tough season with injuries, starting with the Bronny James heart condition. Oregon lost four players this season to injuries, including three starters. Two of them were McDonald's All-Americans. Their center was the MVP in the Pac-12 tournament, and he missed 14 games this season.

USC has the talent when healthy to stay with Arizona. Oregon has better talent when healthy. Arizona starts four seniors, has a very talented 18-year-old point guard, the third highest scoring team in the nation, and the third best rebounding team in the nation. You have to control the pace with them, and you have to be physical with them to have a chance to beat them. Pac-12 teams have figured that out. Washington State's style of ball has been a problem for Arizona and Stanford has one of the best shooting teams in the country. When they beat Arizona, they shot 64% on three's and 58% overall.

The Pac got four teams in the tournament, the same amount that they had last year and one more than in 2022. If UCLA and USC have normal seasons, that number could have hit six. The conference was okay this season.

(03-19-2024 12:15 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(03-18-2024 11:59 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(03-17-2024 06:10 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(03-17-2024 06:03 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  MWC have 6 teams with 20+ wins and UNLV with a 19 win season. It was the same like last year. With San Diego State that went to the championship game helped MWC get more bids this year. 6 teams got in the field and UNLV came close. MWC is flexing their muscles, and it is a shame that the Big 12 have not looked at any of their schools to add. Big 12 would be rocking with MWC men's basketball schools.

Eh, Arizona and Colorado are joining our league in less than five months, and they're both tourney teams. I think we'll be fine. (But yes, congrats to the Mountain West this season.)

Take a look at Colorado's BB history when you get a chance.

The PAC sucks this year. Zona has some good wins but also some bad conference losses (WSU x 2, Ore. St, Stanford, USC, and Oregon. They also lost OOC to FAU. How they got 4 teams in is beyond me.

WSU is a 7 seed, Oregon an 11, and FAU is an 8 seed... how could those possibly be "bad" losses?

Arizona has 8 wins against NCAAT teams, including @ Duke. They're 8-3 in Q1 games and 7-4 in Q2 games.

You're just mad that they fell apart before they could invite SDSU.

Again, the PAC12 was bad this year in BB and I did watch some PAC games. UCLA was horrible, losing by 46 at Utah and USC was even worse. I said that Zona had some good wins, but they had some bad losses in conference. I didn't say they don't deserve to be seeded well, just that the PAC doesn't deserve 4 teams. Oregon only gets in because they won the conference tournament. They had no good OOC wins and some bad conference losses. They finally beat Zona in their tournament but it is hard to beat a team three times in a year. Wazzu deserves to be in but they played a very soft OOC schedule with their one quality win being Boise St in Spokane. Colorado has no good OOC wins and played a very soft OOC schedule. They lost to ASU and Cal and didn't beat Zona in conference. If the committee is going to say MWC teams didn't get enough quality wins outside the conference to justify the bad seedings then the same can be said for the PAC.

I'll even throw in St. Mary's. Their big OOC wins are all against MWC teams, New Mexico, CSU & UNLV - the UNLV team was not very good early on as they started a true freshman PG. St. Mary's also lost to Weber St. and Missouri St at home.

(03-19-2024 11:35 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-19-2024 11:03 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(03-18-2024 09:41 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(03-17-2024 08:17 PM)esayem Wrote:  TRIGGER ALERT I'm sure this post will trigger some of you


What I got right: aTm being in safely, FAU gettin in, the ACC not being completely shafted (UVa finished ahead of Clemson but has to play-in?), Oklahoma being deservedly left out

What I got wrong: Oklahoma being rated ahead of Pitt. In every metric Pitt was ahead of them.

St. John's being behind Seton Hall. Are they punishing Pitino? I just don't understand that one

Notes:
I feel for Indiana State, but I somewhat expected it to happen. It sucks because Indiana or Purdue won't schedule them.

Big East was apparently not taken seriously while the Mountain Joke was? Good lawd if there isn't a more underperforming tournament league than the MWC, I don't know it. If Clemson and UVa don't show up, I'll eat my words.

I don't disagree with most of your points LOL. Six MWC bids is a joke. Oklahoma didn't deserve to get in. Indy St was a damn good squad that picked a bad time for a loss. That said, you may have to eat your words. UVa didn't get any favors having to play the extra play-in game and Clemson got a difficult draw in New Mexico. I do have UNC in my FF and that's all that most fans remember anyway.

The Mountain West - the 5 at-large teams all deserved to be there. New Mexico played their way in (and frankly should have been an at-large team.

Not sure why people can't accept the Mountain West is a good and deep basketball conference, that frankly was vastly UNDERSEEDED, again.

vs P6 OOC is why

The Good
Colorado St. - BC W, Colorado W, Creighton W, Washington W
Nevada - Washington W, TCU W, GaTech W
SDSU - BYU L, Washington W, Cal W, Stanford W

The Bad
Utah State - no P6 opponents; NET manipulation at its finest

The Ugly
Boise - VaTech L, Clemson L, Butler L, Wazzou L

None of those schedules are particularly difficult.

CSU kind of stunk it up in conference and snuck their way in, while BSU did the opposite. Both deserve to play-in. Nothing on their resumes say otherwise.


Maybe Washington should stop scheduling MWC teams lol

Not P6 but SDSU beat St. Mary's by 25 on a neutral floor and Gonzaga by 10 at their place. They played three true road games in OOC, @BYU, @GCU and @Gonzaga. Even their "easier" games included Big West Champion UCI, runner-up UCSD and tournament champion Long Beach.

Boise did beat St. Mary's on a neutral floor.

(03-19-2024 11:54 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(03-19-2024 11:35 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-19-2024 11:03 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(03-18-2024 09:41 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(03-17-2024 08:17 PM)esayem Wrote:  TRIGGER ALERT I'm sure this post will trigger some of you


What I got right: aTm being in safely, FAU gettin in, the ACC not being completely shafted (UVa finished ahead of Clemson but has to play-in?), Oklahoma being deservedly left out

What I got wrong: Oklahoma being rated ahead of Pitt. In every metric Pitt was ahead of them.

St. John's being behind Seton Hall. Are they punishing Pitino? I just don't understand that one

Notes:
I feel for Indiana State, but I somewhat expected it to happen. It sucks because Indiana or Purdue won't schedule them.

Big East was apparently not taken seriously while the Mountain Joke was? Good lawd if there isn't a more underperforming tournament league than the MWC, I don't know it. If Clemson and UVa don't show up, I'll eat my words.

I don't disagree with most of your points LOL. Six MWC bids is a joke. Oklahoma didn't deserve to get in. Indy St was a damn good squad that picked a bad time for a loss. That said, you may have to eat your words. UVa didn't get any favors having to play the extra play-in game and Clemson got a difficult draw in New Mexico. I do have UNC in my FF and that's all that most fans remember anyway.

The Mountain West - the 5 at-large teams all deserved to be there. New Mexico played their way in (and frankly should have been an at-large team.

Not sure why people can't accept the Mountain West is a good and deep basketball conference, that frankly was vastly UNDERSEEDED, again.

vs P6 OOC is why

The Good
Colorado St. - BC W, Colorado W, Creighton W, Washington W
Nevada - Washington W, TCU W, GaTech W
SDSU - BYU L, Washington W, Cal W, Stanford W

The Bad
Utah State - no P6 opponents; NET manipulation at its finest

The Ugly
Boise - VaTech L, Clemson L, Butler L, Wazzou L

None of those schedules are particularly difficult.

CSU kind of stunk it up in conference and snuck their way in, while BSU did the opposite. Both deserve to play-in. Nothing on their resumes say otherwise.


Maybe Washington should stop scheduling MWC teams lol

New Mexico vs Clemson will be a good match-up, since based on your criteria, Clemson Stunk it up in conference (9 losses)

They absolutely did and I believe I said Pitt and UVa should have been rated higher than them.

As far as that game goes, Clemson has a veteran team and they are tough. I know UNM is hot right now.

(03-19-2024 12:51 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(03-19-2024 11:35 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-19-2024 11:03 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(03-18-2024 09:41 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(03-17-2024 08:17 PM)esayem Wrote:  TRIGGER ALERT I'm sure this post will trigger some of you


What I got right: aTm being in safely, FAU gettin in, the ACC not being completely shafted (UVa finished ahead of Clemson but has to play-in?), Oklahoma being deservedly left out

What I got wrong: Oklahoma being rated ahead of Pitt. In every metric Pitt was ahead of them.

St. John's being behind Seton Hall. Are they punishing Pitino? I just don't understand that one

Notes:
I feel for Indiana State, but I somewhat expected it to happen. It sucks because Indiana or Purdue won't schedule them.

Big East was apparently not taken seriously while the Mountain Joke was? Good lawd if there isn't a more underperforming tournament league than the MWC, I don't know it. If Clemson and UVa don't show up, I'll eat my words.

I don't disagree with most of your points LOL. Six MWC bids is a joke. Oklahoma didn't deserve to get in. Indy St was a damn good squad that picked a bad time for a loss. That said, you may have to eat your words. UVa didn't get any favors having to play the extra play-in game and Clemson got a difficult draw in New Mexico. I do have UNC in my FF and that's all that most fans remember anyway.

The Mountain West - the 5 at-large teams all deserved to be there. New Mexico played their way in (and frankly should have been an at-large team.

Not sure why people can't accept the Mountain West is a good and deep basketball conference, that frankly was vastly UNDERSEEDED, again.

vs P6 OOC is why

The Good
Colorado St. - BC W, Colorado W, Creighton W, Washington W
Nevada - Washington W, TCU W, GaTech W
SDSU - BYU L, Washington W, Cal W, Stanford W

The Bad
Utah State - no P6 opponents; NET manipulation at its finest

The Ugly
Boise - VaTech L, Clemson L, Butler L, Wazzou L

None of those schedules are particularly difficult.

CSU kind of stunk it up in conference and snuck their way in, while BSU did the opposite. Both deserve to play-in. Nothing on their resumes say otherwise.


Maybe Washington should stop scheduling MWC teams lol

Not P6 but SDSU beat St. Mary's by 25 on a neutral floor and Gonzaga by 10 at their place. They played three true road games in OOC, @BYU, @GCU and @Gonzaga. Even their "easier" games included Big West Champion UCI, runner-up UCSD and tournament champion Long Beach.

Boise did beat St. Mary's on a neutral floor.

Boise was 9-7 as a road/neutral team. 7-3 as a true road team, no less. Colorado State wasn't great on the road (4-7), but quite good in a neutral location (5-1). Whereas Colorado was a combined 8-9 road/neutral team, and Virginia 8-8. Both of those P6'ers similar to CSU as being sub-.500 road teams, but inferior marks to CSU in the neutral location.

Quite honestly, the committee should have dumped Northwestern and Michigan State into the First Four based on their road/neutral performances. Northwestern was 6-9, Nebraska 5-9, and MSU 5-10 (!!!???). If we're upset about Oklahoma: 6-8. St. John's was 7-8. Seton Hall: 6-9. The two with actual axes to grind with the committee are Indiana State (15-5) and Pitt (9-6).

Good teams that win and can win away from home should be rewarded. The seedings weren't great, but, the Mountain West deserved them. It's a shame New Mexico (13-6 road/neutral, btw) had to push out someone else, but, if that's Oklahoma or Seton Hall instead of Indiana State? Fine. It's bad enough the Big Ten got away with some stinkers.

(03-19-2024 04:07 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(03-19-2024 12:51 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(03-19-2024 11:35 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-19-2024 11:03 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(03-18-2024 09:41 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  I don't disagree with most of your points LOL. Six MWC bids is a joke. Oklahoma didn't deserve to get in. Indy St was a damn good squad that picked a bad time for a loss. That said, you may have to eat your words. UVa didn't get any favors having to play the extra play-in game and Clemson got a difficult draw in New Mexico. I do have UNC in my FF and that's all that most fans remember anyway.

The Mountain West - the 5 at-large teams all deserved to be there. New Mexico played their way in (and frankly should have been an at-large team.

Not sure why people can't accept the Mountain West is a good and deep basketball conference, that frankly was vastly UNDERSEEDED, again.

vs P6 OOC is why

The Good
Colorado St. - BC W, Colorado W, Creighton W, Washington W
Nevada - Washington W, TCU W, GaTech W
SDSU - BYU L, Washington W, Cal W, Stanford W

The Bad
Utah State - no P6 opponents; NET manipulation at its finest

The Ugly
Boise - VaTech L, Clemson L, Butler L, Wazzou L

None of those schedules are particularly difficult.

CSU kind of stunk it up in conference and snuck their way in, while BSU did the opposite. Both deserve to play-in. Nothing on their resumes say otherwise.


Maybe Washington should stop scheduling MWC teams lol

Not P6 but SDSU beat St. Mary's by 25 on a neutral floor and Gonzaga by 10 at their place. They played three true road games in OOC, @BYU, @GCU and @Gonzaga. Even their "easier" games included Big West Champion UCI, runner-up UCSD and tournament champion Long Beach.

Boise did beat St. Mary's on a neutral floor.

Boise was 9-7 as a road/neutral team. 7-3 as a true road team, no less. Colorado State wasn't great on the road (4-7), but quite good in a neutral location (5-1). Whereas Colorado was a combined 8-9 road/neutral team, and Virginia 8-8. Both of those P6'ers similar to CSU as being sub-.500 road teams, but inferior marks to CSU in the neutral location.

Quite honestly, the committee should have dumped Northwestern and Michigan State into the First Four based on their road/neutral performances. Northwestern was 6-9, Nebraska 5-9, and MSU 5-10 (!!!???). If we're upset about Oklahoma: 6-8. St. John's was 7-8. Seton Hall: 6-9. The two with actual axes to grind with the committee are Indiana State (15-5) and Pitt (9-6).

Good teams that win and can win away from home should be rewarded. The seedings weren't great, but, the Mountain West deserved them. It's a shame New Mexico (13-6 road/neutral, btw) had to push out someone else, but, if that's Oklahoma or Seton Hall instead of Indiana State? Fine. It's bad enough the Big Ten got away with some stinkers.

You are lumping in road conference games with OOC stuff.

The committee said that the reason why MWC teams got seaded low is because they lacked quality wins in OOC. However, I have shown where the same can be said of the PAC schools and WCC - St. Marys's OOC "signature" wins are all MWC .

By the way, travel in the MWC is much harder than any other conference in America, and it isn't close. Not only are the locations difficult to get there, but once you get there you are likely dealing with altitude. No decent team will schedule Wyoming @ Wyoming to play at an altitude of 7,220'.