Great news for the Big East getting MSG thru 2032! Big East has by far the best tourney in college basketball for the fans - its always in the same place in a city that almost everyone loves to visit. Even if your team loses early, you are in NY so its easy to find something else to do.

I would like to see some Friday night Big East games on Fox

(03-16-2024 09:42 AM)nickp Wrote:  I would like to see some Friday night Big East games on Fox

Well we did have one just last night - UConn vs St Johns was on big FOX yesterday evening.

(03-16-2024 09:45 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-16-2024 09:42 AM)nickp Wrote:  I would like to see some Friday night Big East games on Fox

Well we did have one just last night - UConn vs St Johns was on big FOX yesterday evening.

I think that's a certainty after losing Smackdown.

I predict $7.25 million average payout per school for six years, and I think FOX does ask for expansion. We will see.

Fox asked BE to improve OOC, some of them matchups were brutal
BE did jump to 20 conf games

Can’t find the Juan Howard thread, but he’s available…. didn’t he give someone herpes?

(03-16-2024 08:54 AM)Section 200 Wrote:  Great news for the Big East getting MSG thru 2032! Big East has by far the best tourney in college basketball for the fans - its always in the same place in a city that almost everyone loves to visit. Even if your team loses early, you are in NY so its easy to find something else to do.

Like get mugged on a subway or step on a syringe or jump over o puddle o piss. Maybe step in a pile of shite. Yeah, it’s great.

Latest form 990 shows $48.7M in TV revenue for the 11 Big East schools, or $4.43M each.

Latest Big 12 contract is $31M. Assuming 25% for basketball that's $7.75M. So I expect the Big East will be looking for $7-8M per school.

For 2023-24, 200 Big East men's and women's games aired on the FOX family of networks with 23 matchups on FOX on the men's side and a record five women's games from the conference on the network. The Big Ten had 12 men's games air on FOX while five women's basketball matchups will air there as well. The Mountain West Conference featured 34 telecasts while the Pac-12 had 25 games on the family of networks.

As far as I can tell 1) those Pac 12 games have been replaced with Big 12 games, and 2) the Big 10 and MWC games will stay the same or similar. So FOX should have plenty of space for the Big East.

(03-16-2024 12:06 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Latest form 990 shows $48.7M in TV revenue for the 11 Big East schools, or $4.43M each.

Latest Big 12 contract is $31M. Assuming 25% for basketball that's $7.75M. So I expect the Big East will be looking for $7-8M per school.

For 2023-24, 200 Big East men's and women's games aired on the FOX family of networks with 23 matchups on FOX on the men's side and a record five women's games from the conference on the network. The Big Ten had 12 men's games air on FOX while five women's basketball matchups will air there as well. The Mountain West Conference featured 34 telecasts while the Pac-12 had 25 games on the family of networks.

As far as I can tell 1) those Pac 12 games have been replaced with Big 12 games, and 2) the Big 10 and MWC games will stay the same or similar. So FOX should have plenty of space for the Big East.

There’s actually even more room - the Big 12 splits its football games between ESPN and Fox, but basketball is completely with ESPN. So, all of the Pac-12 time slots on Fox need to replaced with their current basketball partners of the Big Ten, Big East and MWC.

(03-16-2024 12:22 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(03-16-2024 12:06 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Latest form 990 shows $48.7M in TV revenue for the 11 Big East schools, or $4.43M each.

Latest Big 12 contract is $31M. Assuming 25% for basketball that's $7.75M. So I expect the Big East will be looking for $7-8M per school.

For 2023-24, 200 Big East men's and women's games aired on the FOX family of networks with 23 matchups on FOX on the men's side and a record five women's games from the conference on the network. The Big Ten had 12 men's games air on FOX while five women's basketball matchups will air there as well. The Mountain West Conference featured 34 telecasts while the Pac-12 had 25 games on the family of networks.

As far as I can tell 1) those Pac 12 games have been replaced with Big 12 games, and 2) the Big 10 and MWC games will stay the same or similar. So FOX should have plenty of space for the Big East.

There’s actually even more room - the Big 12 splits its football games between ESPN and Fox, but basketball is completely with ESPN. So, all of the Pac-12 time slots on Fox need to replaced with their current basketball partners of the Big Ten, Big East and MWC.

That is changing with the new TV deal for the Big 12. Fox getting some Big 12 hoops in there.

(03-16-2024 12:22 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(03-16-2024 12:06 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Latest form 990 shows $48.7M in TV revenue for the 11 Big East schools, or $4.43M each.

Latest Big 12 contract is $31M. Assuming 25% for basketball that's $7.75M. So I expect the Big East will be looking for $7-8M per school.

For 2023-24, 200 Big East men's and women's games aired on the FOX family of networks with 23 matchups on FOX on the men's side and a record five women's games from the conference on the network. The Big Ten had 12 men's games air on FOX while five women's basketball matchups will air there as well. The Mountain West Conference featured 34 telecasts while the Pac-12 had 25 games on the family of networks.

As far as I can tell 1) those Pac 12 games have been replaced with Big 12 games, and 2) the Big 10 and MWC games will stay the same or similar. So FOX should have plenty of space for the Big East.

There’s actually even more room - the Big 12 splits its football games between ESPN and Fox, but basketball is completely with ESPN. So, all of the Pac-12 time slots on Fox need to replaced with their current basketball partners of the Big Ten, Big East and MWC.

That's going to change though. Starting in 2025, Fox gets some Big 12 basketball.

The new contract, which takes hold starting in 2025, includes ESPN owning more than 60 percent of the inventory and Fox adding a sizable portion of college basketball. https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...l-espn-fox

(03-16-2024 12:22 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  There’s actually even more room - the Big 12 splits its football games between ESPN and Fox, but basketball is completely with ESPN. So, all of the Pac-12 time slots on Fox need to replaced with their current basketball partners of the Big Ten, Big East and MWC.

Fox will be broadcasting Big 12 hoop games. I believe ESPN gets the first 20-25 selections and then they alternate.

Per this article, FOX broadcast 21 Pac 12 games on FS1 this year (19 regular season, two tournament) and four Pac 12 games on FOX (three regular season, one tournament).

https://pac-12.com/article/2023/10/05/pa...t-schedule

So the Pac 12 had 22 regular season Fox family windows

If ESPN truly gets the first 20 basketball picks, I doubt any of the Big 12 Fox hoop games are on FOX. All FS1. So maybe a couple of FOX windows will open for the Big East (if they are not allocated to the Big 10)...

(03-16-2024 12:26 PM)stever20 Wrote:  That is changing with the new TV deal for the Big 12. Fox getting some Big 12 hoops in there.

Good clarification Stever.

Be curious to see how much FOX's College Basketball game coverage does or doesn't expand going forward.

(03-16-2024 12:26 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-16-2024 12:22 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(03-16-2024 12:06 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Latest form 990 shows $48.7M in TV revenue for the 11 Big East schools, or $4.43M each.

Latest Big 12 contract is $31M. Assuming 25% for basketball that's $7.75M. So I expect the Big East will be looking for $7-8M per school.

For 2023-24, 200 Big East men's and women's games aired on the FOX family of networks with 23 matchups on FOX on the men's side and a record five women's games from the conference on the network. The Big Ten had 12 men's games air on FOX while five women's basketball matchups will air there as well. The Mountain West Conference featured 34 telecasts while the Pac-12 had 25 games on the family of networks.

As far as I can tell 1) those Pac 12 games have been replaced with Big 12 games, and 2) the Big 10 and MWC games will stay the same or similar. So FOX should have plenty of space for the Big East.

There’s actually even more room - the Big 12 splits its football games between ESPN and Fox, but basketball is completely with ESPN. So, all of the Pac-12 time slots on Fox need to replaced with their current basketball partners of the Big Ten, Big East and MWC.

That is changing with the new TV deal for the Big 12. Fox getting some Big 12 hoops in there.

Thanks - I stand corrected.

(03-16-2024 12:53 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Per this article, FOX broadcast 21 Pac 12 games on FS1 this year (19 regular season, two tournament) and four Pac 12 games on FOX (three regular season, one tournament).

https://pac-12.com/article/2023/10/05/pa...t-schedule

So the Pac 12 had 22 regular season Fox family windows

If ESPN truly gets the first 20 basketball picks, I doubt any of the Big 12 Fox hoop games are on FOX. All FS1. So maybe a couple of FOX windows will open for the Big East (if they are not allocated to the Big 10)...

There might be some that come through - if they’re looping in non-conference games, that’s a lot of games available even after the first 20 are gone. There will likely be a fair number of Kansas vs. (insert highly-ranked Big 12 team) available for FOX.

(03-16-2024 12:56 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(03-16-2024 12:53 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Per this article, FOX broadcast 21 Pac 12 games on FS1 this year (19 regular season, two tournament) and four Pac 12 games on FOX (three regular season, one tournament).

https://pac-12.com/article/2023/10/05/pa...t-schedule

So the Pac 12 had 22 regular season Fox family windows

If ESPN truly gets the first 20 basketball picks, I doubt any of the Big 12 Fox hoop games are on FOX. All FS1. So maybe a couple of FOX windows will open for the Big East (if they are not allocated to the Big 10)...

There might be some that come through - if they’re looping in non-conference games, that’s a lot of games available even after the first 20 are gone. There will likely be a fair number of Kansas vs. (insert highly-ranked Big 12 team) available for FOX.

yup and with 16 teams- of which 9 going to the tourney this year- there's going to be a lot of good games I mean that's with 20 conference games which I think they're going to going to be 160 conference games alone (144 if it's remaining at 18). And then obviously the OOC games- figure 6 per team times 16 would be 96 games there.

(03-16-2024 07:59 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-16-2024 07:50 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-15-2024 05:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Damn, time flies. Seems like just yesterday when the current deal was signed. That was 11 years ago this week!

I recall a lot of cackling on the AAC board the first few years, with AAC fanboys saying the Big East would die on the vines due to pathetic FS1 ratings and terrible "exposure".

Instead, Big East hoops has thrived the past 11 years and is accorded all the respect of an honorary "P" conference, while AAC hoops and P6 dreams have gone down the drain, all while being televised wall to wall on the Mothership.

MWC could also filled that void as their hoops have like 7 teams that are strong. Better than the Big Least. With SDSU in the finals last year? It would be a matter of time for a MWC team wins the men's hoops.

Not sure if the MW is better than the Big East this year - but the mere fact that it is in question says that the MW has been damn good, having a banner year.

Of course, you have to sustain it, can't be a one-year wonder. But I do tip my hat to the season the MW has had so far.

The tournament should be interesting, always is.

It is back to back year for the MWC. They had 7 teams last season that performed strongly.

(03-15-2024 11:56 PM)esayem Wrote:  I still don’t understand the Gonzaga obsession. If they’re not top-10, they’re totally off the radar. Oh, plus they’re 1,000,000 miles away.

I don’t think St. Louis makes sense either. Mainly because they’re not very good. Dayton is the only program that hits every metric and should be invited yesterday

Consensus on this thread is that the BE will get somewhere between $6-8 million for its basketball rights. Is there any world in which Dayton basketball is worth $6 million?

They're certainly not good enough on the court for that kind of money -- they're significantly worse than Seton Hall and Providence. They bring a new city, but it's not a new state or a particularly big market.

If I were in charge of Fox, I'd suggest an out-of-conference game for each BE team in January and February to drum up some inventory. With the 11 member conference, every team has a Wednesday and a Saturday 'bye" during conference play. Fill those up with some OOC games and you can increase your inventory without ponying up an extra $6 million.

(03-16-2024 09:08 PM)OneSockUp Wrote:  Consensus on this thread is that the BE will get somewhere between $6-8 million for its basketball rights. Is there any world in which Dayton basketball is worth $6 million?

I'm not predicting expansion, and I don't particularly want it, but Dayton or any other A-10 program could conceivably be worth $6 million if adding them generates enough volume to spin off that third package to whichever bidder.