(03-12-2024 10:17 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-12-2024 10:13 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  Best program by alot, highest budget by alot, best facilities by alot, most fans by alot. There is no way you can come to the conclusion he has done a good job. He has so many built-in advantages that the schools that are beating us don't have. His highs aren't worth the amount of rock bottom lows he has put us through.

You're ignoring the past few years and basing your conclusion on this year alone.
It's your prerogative if want to be short-sighted - it's just not an accurate portrayal.

What? This is every single year. His drama isn't worth 1 NCAA win.

(03-12-2024 10:18 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(03-12-2024 10:17 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-12-2024 10:13 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  Best program by alot, highest budget by alot, best facilities by alot, most fans by alot. There is no way you can come to the conclusion he has done a good job. He has so many built-in advantages that the schools that are beating us don't have. His highs aren't worth the amount of rock bottom lows he has put us through.

You're ignoring the past few years and basing your conclusion on this year alone.
It's your prerogative if want to be short-sighted - it's just not an accurate portrayal.

What? This is every single year. His drama isn't worth 1 NCAA win.

This is really just Penny’s 3rd season as coach. I don’t get why people can’t see that the two Covid years really shouldn’t count for so many reasons to even post here. So it’s 1 win in 2 seasons so far with last year getting beat on a bad call

(03-12-2024 10:27 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(03-12-2024 10:18 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(03-12-2024 10:17 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-12-2024 10:13 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  Best program by alot, highest budget by alot, best facilities by alot, most fans by alot. There is no way you can come to the conclusion he has done a good job. He has so many built-in advantages that the schools that are beating us don't have. His highs aren't worth the amount of rock bottom lows he has put us through.

You're ignoring the past few years and basing your conclusion on this year alone.
It's your prerogative if want to be short-sighted - it's just not an accurate portrayal.

What? This is every single year. His drama isn't worth 1 NCAA win.

This is really just Penny’s 3rd season as coach. I don’t get why people can’t see that the two Covid years really shouldn’t count for so many reasons to even post here. So it’s 1 win in 2 seasons so far with last year getting beat on a bad call

Covid affected everyone and he wasn't making the tournament either year.

(03-12-2024 10:06 AM)true_blue_thru_and_thru Wrote:  

(03-12-2024 09:00 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  You guys that want Penny gone are gonna be in a real shock when you see what coaches would line up for our job. Our conference situation is dire and with the possible split between the P4 and everyone else, it'll be tough to get anyone to jump ship to us.

Penny as a coach has a lot of flaws and I don't think some of those will ever be fixed. But it's more likely than not that whatever we replace him with will be a definite downgrade.

Exactly, it'd be one thing if we sucked major like with Tubby or even sliding into mediocrity like Pastner but Penny can still win big games and recruit big.

The comment about no regular season conference titles and being in a crap conference well this year for sure but before that we were in a conference with freaking Houston who was the number one team in the country. Side note, Penny beat that team and has beat other really good teams too.

Again, this year was an abject disappointment but not bad enough where I think he needs to be fired. Its all moot anyway because as long as Bill Laurie is supporting Penny and Penny actually wants to be here, he'll be here.

Tubby was only here 2 years… his records were
19-13 (9-9 in conference)
21-13 (10-8 in conference)


Penny’s 1st 2 seasons at Memphis were
21-13 (11-7 in conference)
21-10 (10-8 in conference)

& in 6 years Penny has an average record of 21-9 (11-6)

Tubby was uninspiring & a bad hire but his on court results were similar to Penny’s and he was not given time to build a program here to draw reasonable parallels.

(03-12-2024 10:28 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(03-12-2024 10:27 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(03-12-2024 10:18 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(03-12-2024 10:17 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-12-2024 10:13 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  Best program by alot, highest budget by alot, best facilities by alot, most fans by alot. There is no way you can come to the conclusion he has done a good job. He has so many built-in advantages that the schools that are beating us don't have. His highs aren't worth the amount of rock bottom lows he has put us through.

You're ignoring the past few years and basing your conclusion on this year alone.
It's your prerogative if want to be short-sighted - it's just not an accurate portrayal.

What? This is every single year. His drama isn't worth 1 NCAA win.

This is really just Penny’s 3rd season as coach. I don’t get why people can’t see that the two Covid years really shouldn’t count for so many reasons to even post here. So it’s 1 win in 2 seasons so far with last year getting beat on a bad call

Covid affected everyone and he wasn't making the tournament either year.

2020 was completely cancelled

2021 was flawed because key games were not made up plus there were no fans in the arena. And plus the ncaa drug their feet on our best player. I think we proved we shoulda been in that season. So once again 2 ncaas in 2 years after we went 5 years pre Covid without making it

(03-12-2024 10:38 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(03-12-2024 10:28 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(03-12-2024 10:27 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(03-12-2024 10:18 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(03-12-2024 10:17 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  You're ignoring the past few years and basing your conclusion on this year alone.
It's your prerogative if want to be short-sighted - it's just not an accurate portrayal.

What? This is every single year. His drama isn't worth 1 NCAA win.

This is really just Penny’s 3rd season as coach. I don’t get why people can’t see that the two Covid years really shouldn’t count for so many reasons to even post here. So it’s 1 win in 2 seasons so far with last year getting beat on a bad call

Covid affected everyone and he wasn't making the tournament either year.

2020 was completely cancelled

2021 was flawed because key games were not made up plus there were no fans in the arena. And plus the ncaa drug their feet on our best player. I think we proved we shoulda been in that season. So once again 2 ncaas in 2 years after we went 5 years pre Covid without making it

He played a full season in 2020 and wasn't on the bubble. He played an abbreviated season in 2021 and lost every game of consequence despite having a good team that only got better because his anointed son Lomax got "tendonitis". Anything else is revisionist history.

(03-12-2024 10:35 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-12-2024 10:06 AM)true_blue_thru_and_thru Wrote:  

(03-12-2024 09:00 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  You guys that want Penny gone are gonna be in a real shock when you see what coaches would line up for our job. Our conference situation is dire and with the possible split between the P4 and everyone else, it'll be tough to get anyone to jump ship to us.

Penny as a coach has a lot of flaws and I don't think some of those will ever be fixed. But it's more likely than not that whatever we replace him with will be a definite downgrade.

Exactly, it'd be one thing if we sucked major like with Tubby or even sliding into mediocrity like Pastner but Penny can still win big games and recruit big.

The comment about no regular season conference titles and being in a crap conference well this year for sure but before that we were in a conference with freaking Houston who was the number one team in the country. Side note, Penny beat that team and has beat other really good teams too.

Again, this year was an abject disappointment but not bad enough where I think he needs to be fired. Its all moot anyway because as long as Bill Laurie is supporting Penny and Penny actually wants to be here, he'll be here.

Tubby was only here 2 years… his records were
19-13 (9-9 in conference)
21-13 (10-8 in conference)


Penny’s 1st 2 seasons at Memphis were
21-13 (11-7 in conference)
21-10 (10-8 in conference)

& in 6 years Penny has an average record of 21-9 (11-6)

Tubby was uninspiring & a bad hire but his on court results were similar to Penny’s and he was not given time to build a program here to draw reasonable parallels.

There is no comparison to the strength of schedule for TUbby's two years and any season of Penny.

Tubby SOS

2017---101st (OOC 285th)
2018---131st (OOC 323rd)

Pennys SOS

2019---77th (OOC 162nd)
2020---80th (OOC 247th)
2021---96th (OOC 198th)
2022---57th (OOC 47th)
2023---60th (OOC 27th)
2024---92nd (OOC 62nd)

Even if the records really were similar(which they weren't) the schedule's we are playing now are much more difficult than Tubby's years.

LOL, in Tubby's last year are best OOC wins were 90th Northern Kentucky by 2 points and 154th Mercer in double overtime.

Covid, NIL, transfer portal...everyone is dealing with these so why are these excuses?

(03-12-2024 10:27 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(03-12-2024 10:18 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(03-12-2024 10:17 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-12-2024 10:13 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  Best program by alot, highest budget by alot, best facilities by alot, most fans by alot. There is no way you can come to the conclusion he has done a good job. He has so many built-in advantages that the schools that are beating us don't have. His highs aren't worth the amount of rock bottom lows he has put us through.

You're ignoring the past few years and basing your conclusion on this year alone.
It's your prerogative if want to be short-sighted - it's just not an accurate portrayal.

What? This is every single year. His drama isn't worth 1 NCAA win.

This is really just Penny’s 3rd season as coach. I don’t get why people can’t see that the two Covid years really shouldn’t count for so many reasons to even post here. So it’s 1 win in 2 seasons so far with last year getting beat on a bad call

Great excuses

(03-12-2024 11:24 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(03-12-2024 10:35 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-12-2024 10:06 AM)true_blue_thru_and_thru Wrote:  

(03-12-2024 09:00 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  You guys that want Penny gone are gonna be in a real shock when you see what coaches would line up for our job. Our conference situation is dire and with the possible split between the P4 and everyone else, it'll be tough to get anyone to jump ship to us.

Penny as a coach has a lot of flaws and I don't think some of those will ever be fixed. But it's more likely than not that whatever we replace him with will be a definite downgrade.

Exactly, it'd be one thing if we sucked major like with Tubby or even sliding into mediocrity like Pastner but Penny can still win big games and recruit big.

The comment about no regular season conference titles and being in a crap conference well this year for sure but before that we were in a conference with freaking Houston who was the number one team in the country. Side note, Penny beat that team and has beat other really good teams too.

Again, this year was an abject disappointment but not bad enough where I think he needs to be fired. Its all moot anyway because as long as Bill Laurie is supporting Penny and Penny actually wants to be here, he'll be here.

Tubby was only here 2 years… his records were
19-13 (9-9 in conference)
21-13 (10-8 in conference)


Penny’s 1st 2 seasons at Memphis were
21-13 (11-7 in conference)
21-10 (10-8 in conference)

& in 6 years Penny has an average record of 21-9 (11-6)

Tubby was uninspiring & a bad hire but his on court results were similar to Penny’s and he was not given time to build a program here to draw reasonable parallels.

There is no comparison to the strength of schedule for TUbby's two years and any season of Penny.

Tubby SOS

2017---101st (OOC 285th)
2018---131st (OOC 323rd)

Pennys SOS

2019---77th (OOC 162nd)
2020---80th (OOC 247th)
2021---96th (OOC 198th)
2022---57th (OOC 47th)
2023---60th (OOC 27th)
2024---92nd (OOC 62nd)

Even if the records really were similar(which they weren't) the schedule's we are playing now are much more difficult than Tubby's years.

LOL, in Tubby's last year are best OOC wins were 90th Northern Kentucky by 2 points and 154th Mercer in double overtime.

Tubby’s conference results are very similar to Penny’s, which is ultimately why neither managed to make an NCAA tournament in 2 years.

(03-12-2024 12:37 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-12-2024 11:24 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(03-12-2024 10:35 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-12-2024 10:06 AM)true_blue_thru_and_thru Wrote:  

(03-12-2024 09:00 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  You guys that want Penny gone are gonna be in a real shock when you see what coaches would line up for our job. Our conference situation is dire and with the possible split between the P4 and everyone else, it'll be tough to get anyone to jump ship to us.

Penny as a coach has a lot of flaws and I don't think some of those will ever be fixed. But it's more likely than not that whatever we replace him with will be a definite downgrade.

Exactly, it'd be one thing if we sucked major like with Tubby or even sliding into mediocrity like Pastner but Penny can still win big games and recruit big.

The comment about no regular season conference titles and being in a crap conference well this year for sure but before that we were in a conference with freaking Houston who was the number one team in the country. Side note, Penny beat that team and has beat other really good teams too.

Again, this year was an abject disappointment but not bad enough where I think he needs to be fired. Its all moot anyway because as long as Bill Laurie is supporting Penny and Penny actually wants to be here, he'll be here.

Tubby was only here 2 years… his records were
19-13 (9-9 in conference)
21-13 (10-8 in conference)


Penny’s 1st 2 seasons at Memphis were
21-13 (11-7 in conference)
21-10 (10-8 in conference)

& in 6 years Penny has an average record of 21-9 (11-6)

Tubby was uninspiring & a bad hire but his on court results were similar to Penny’s and he was not given time to build a program here to draw reasonable parallels.

There is no comparison to the strength of schedule for TUbby's two years and any season of Penny.

Tubby SOS

2017---101st (OOC 285th)
2018---131st (OOC 323rd)

Pennys SOS

2019---77th (OOC 162nd)
2020---80th (OOC 247th)
2021---96th (OOC 198th)
2022---57th (OOC 47th)
2023---60th (OOC 27th)
2024---92nd (OOC 62nd)

Even if the records really were similar(which they weren't) the schedule's we are playing now are much more difficult than Tubby's years.

LOL, in Tubby's last year are best OOC wins were 90th Northern Kentucky by 2 points and 154th Mercer in double overtime.

Tubby’s conference results are very similar to Penny’s, which is ultimately why neither managed to make an NCAA tournament in 2 years.

Well you're persistent, MM. That's something.

Comparing Penny to Tubby.....LOL....I can't......

The fact that we're comparing Penny to Tubby & Pastner, is telling.

(03-12-2024 12:51 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  The fact that we're comparing Penny to Tubby & Pastner, is telling.

It's a stretch! To say the least.

(03-12-2024 12:50 PM)Gusrob2.0 Wrote:  

(03-12-2024 12:37 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-12-2024 11:24 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(03-12-2024 10:35 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-12-2024 10:06 AM)true_blue_thru_and_thru Wrote:  Exactly, it'd be one thing if we sucked major like with Tubby or even sliding into mediocrity like Pastner but Penny can still win big games and recruit big.

The comment about no regular season conference titles and being in a crap conference well this year for sure but before that we were in a conference with freaking Houston who was the number one team in the country. Side note, Penny beat that team and has beat other really good teams too.

Again, this year was an abject disappointment but not bad enough where I think he needs to be fired. Its all moot anyway because as long as Bill Laurie is supporting Penny and Penny actually wants to be here, he'll be here.

Tubby was only here 2 years… his records were
19-13 (9-9 in conference)
21-13 (10-8 in conference)


Penny’s 1st 2 seasons at Memphis were
21-13 (11-7 in conference)
21-10 (10-8 in conference)

& in 6 years Penny has an average record of 21-9 (11-6)

Tubby was uninspiring & a bad hire but his on court results were similar to Penny’s and he was not given time to build a program here to draw reasonable parallels.

There is no comparison to the strength of schedule for TUbby's two years and any season of Penny.

Tubby SOS

2017---101st (OOC 285th)
2018---131st (OOC 323rd)

Pennys SOS

2019---77th (OOC 162nd)
2020---80th (OOC 247th)
2021---96th (OOC 198th)
2022---57th (OOC 47th)
2023---60th (OOC 27th)
2024---92nd (OOC 62nd)

Even if the records really were similar(which they weren't) the schedule's we are playing now are much more difficult than Tubby's years.

LOL, in Tubby's last year are best OOC wins were 90th Northern Kentucky by 2 points and 154th Mercer in double overtime.

Tubby’s conference results are very similar to Penny’s, which is ultimately why neither managed to make an NCAA tournament in 2 years.

Well you're persistent, MM. That's something.

Comparing Penny to Tubby.....LOL....I can't......

Just comparing the results…
Penny brought smoke, excitement & the community back around the program. In this area, he has clearly over delivered. Tubby, on the other hand, put an unheralded group of players on the court, did no PR work, won 20 games & finished middle of the league. Penny brought top recruiting classes, won 20 games & also finished middle of the league. Their overall on the court success has been similar, though the off the court clearly has not been.

If Penny was not perhaps the greatest to play here..if he was a coach that had played college elsewhere..would we be viewing his resume after these 6 years without rose colored glasses? We all know the school/program is capable of so much more although that run was about 16 years ago. If he has recruited at the level many say he has where are the All Americans first or second team players? How many other programs never see the amount of drama we seem to have? How many other head coaches surround themselves with assistants that are beneficial and knowledgeable where Penny uses his as scapegoats often and refuses to listen to their ideas? Throws his players under the bus constantly? I loved Penny the player. I love the program even more and under the right leadership and guidance I know it's capable of sustained levels of excellence. I just hate myself for feeling it won't happen under Penny.

(03-12-2024 12:37 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-12-2024 11:24 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(03-12-2024 10:35 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-12-2024 10:06 AM)true_blue_thru_and_thru Wrote:  

(03-12-2024 09:00 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  You guys that want Penny gone are gonna be in a real shock when you see what coaches would line up for our job. Our conference situation is dire and with the possible split between the P4 and everyone else, it'll be tough to get anyone to jump ship to us.

Penny as a coach has a lot of flaws and I don't think some of those will ever be fixed. But it's more likely than not that whatever we replace him with will be a definite downgrade.

Exactly, it'd be one thing if we sucked major like with Tubby or even sliding into mediocrity like Pastner but Penny can still win big games and recruit big.

The comment about no regular season conference titles and being in a crap conference well this year for sure but before that we were in a conference with freaking Houston who was the number one team in the country. Side note, Penny beat that team and has beat other really good teams too.

Again, this year was an abject disappointment but not bad enough where I think he needs to be fired. Its all moot anyway because as long as Bill Laurie is supporting Penny and Penny actually wants to be here, he'll be here.

Tubby was only here 2 years… his records were
19-13 (9-9 in conference)
21-13 (10-8 in conference)


Penny’s 1st 2 seasons at Memphis were
21-13 (11-7 in conference)
21-10 (10-8 in conference)

& in 6 years Penny has an average record of 21-9 (11-6)

Tubby was uninspiring & a bad hire but his on court results were similar to Penny’s and he was not given time to build a program here to draw reasonable parallels.

There is no comparison to the strength of schedule for TUbby's two years and any season of Penny.

Tubby SOS

2017---101st (OOC 285th)
2018---131st (OOC 323rd)

Pennys SOS

2019---77th (OOC 162nd)
2020---80th (OOC 247th)
2021---96th (OOC 198th)
2022---57th (OOC 47th)
2023---60th (OOC 27th)
2024---92nd (OOC 62nd)

Even if the records really were similar(which they weren't) the schedule's we are playing now are much more difficult than Tubby's years.

LOL, in Tubby's last year are best OOC wins were 90th Northern Kentucky by 2 points and 154th Mercer in double overtime.

Tubby’s conference results are very similar to Penny’s, which is ultimately why neither managed to make an NCAA tournament in 2 years.

Penny is 69-36 in conference(76-39 counting tournament games). Tubby was 21-19 counting conference tournament games.

In no way is a 66% winning percentage similar to 52%

Comparing Penny's tenure to Tubby's is so ******* dumb that I can't believe I've had to waste time refuting it.

Penny just stoked the fire of those wanting to complain. I suggest there are many more supporters than detractors. The count is probably not even close. Had he not opened his mouth, won a couple of tournament games, and won a couple of NIT games, everything would have died down by the summer. He really didn't help his cause with his rant.

(03-12-2024 01:55 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(03-12-2024 12:37 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-12-2024 11:24 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(03-12-2024 10:35 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(03-12-2024 10:06 AM)true_blue_thru_and_thru Wrote:  Exactly, it'd be one thing if we sucked major like with Tubby or even sliding into mediocrity like Pastner but Penny can still win big games and recruit big.

The comment about no regular season conference titles and being in a crap conference well this year for sure but before that we were in a conference with freaking Houston who was the number one team in the country. Side note, Penny beat that team and has beat other really good teams too.

Again, this year was an abject disappointment but not bad enough where I think he needs to be fired. Its all moot anyway because as long as Bill Laurie is supporting Penny and Penny actually wants to be here, he'll be here.

Tubby was only here 2 years… his records were
19-13 (9-9 in conference)
21-13 (10-8 in conference)


Penny’s 1st 2 seasons at Memphis were
21-13 (11-7 in conference)
21-10 (10-8 in conference)

& in 6 years Penny has an average record of 21-9 (11-6)

Tubby was uninspiring & a bad hire but his on court results were similar to Penny’s and he was not given time to build a program here to draw reasonable parallels.

There is no comparison to the strength of schedule for TUbby's two years and any season of Penny.

Tubby SOS

2017---101st (OOC 285th)
2018---131st (OOC 323rd)

Pennys SOS

2019---77th (OOC 162nd)
2020---80th (OOC 247th)
2021---96th (OOC 198th)
2022---57th (OOC 47th)
2023---60th (OOC 27th)
2024---92nd (OOC 62nd)

Even if the records really were similar(which they weren't) the schedule's we are playing now are much more difficult than Tubby's years.

LOL, in Tubby's last year are best OOC wins were 90th Northern Kentucky by 2 points and 154th Mercer in double overtime.

Tubby’s conference results are very similar to Penny’s, which is ultimately why neither managed to make an NCAA tournament in 2 years.

Penny is 69-36 in conference(76-39 counting tournament games). Tubby was 21-19 counting conference tournament games.

In no way is a 66% winning percentage similar to 52%

Comparing Penny's tenure to Tubby's is so ******* dumb that I can't believe I've had to waste time refuting it.

Comparing 2 years of Tubby to the 1st 2 years of Penny… its the only comparable. Do we compare Tubby’s overall career record & accomplishment?
And just an fyi…
Tubby wasn’t fired because of his record. He was fired because he was blackballed locally on the recruiting scene & Penny could deliver the very class Tubby couldn’t. He was fired because the fan base eroded to 3-5k fans at Fed Ex Forum. Tubby was never going to be the salesman the department needed and was a terrible hire, and there is plenty to dislike about his time here, but he never had a losing record &, on the court, his two seasons at Memphis were very similar to Penny’s first 2.

Penny gonna Penny.

Penny is not on the hot seat.....Yet.

He needs to bring it next year. At least compete for the conf championship and a decent run in the big dance.