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When all else fails, fall back on scare tactics. Oklahoma and Florida have already eliminated DEI in their governments and state universities. I guess those states don’t care about college football.

Looking forward to DEI dying at UAB.

I at first took this as a typical Goodman word salad, but it's right there in the NCAA bylaws (and therefore Blazer Related):

20.2.4.3 Equity, Diversity and Inclusion Review. An active member institution shall complete an equity, diversity and inclusion review at least once every four years and provide written confirmation of completion to the national office. Failure to complete an equity, diversity and inclusion review at least once every four years shall subject an institution to a penalty pursuant to a penalty structure and timeline maintained by the Strategic Vision and Planning Committee. (Adopted: 5/1/19 effective 8/1/19, Revised: 1/22/20 effective 8/1/20, 1/11/21, 1/20/22)

Meaning/intent aside, the bill itself (helpfully linked by Goodman), which is mostly a bathroom bill on steroids, looks like it was written by someone with a ninth-grade education ("may not do any of the following"). (In other words, typical Alabama legislation not ghostwritten by an outside lobbyist.) This grandstand is going to make some set of attorneys rich defending it in court.

I don’t think folks realize how much popular UF just got when they fired that department. Goodman is just another example of people employed at a dying business in which folks who are supposed to be direct consumers don’t care what he has to say. So, people stopped buying the paper for having one sided political hacks who liked to tell us how much our state sucks, how much they hate it here, and how much they hate us. Knowing that 65-75% of the state has completely opposite views than the writers and then the teachers unions are completely left leaning but blame opposing politicians for the poor state ranking regarding education.

They use the excuse for the business going out of business as “people just get their news from online nowadays”

Who cares what affect it has on college sports anyways? The NCAA will die once the power 60 break off.

If other stuff has to suffer to put an end to racial discrimination via DEI, so be it. Lowering standards or requirements for eligibility and then only selecting from a pool of this ethnicity is pure discrimination and not merit based.

(03-11-2024 10:57 AM)58-56 Wrote:  ...looks like it was written by someone with a ninth-grade education ("may not do any of the following"). (In other words, typical Alabama legislation not ghostwritten by an outside lobbyist.)...

This shows a lack of understanding of statutory construction, things like conjunctively and disjunctively written statutes and methods of proof. The phrase "may not do any of the following" is a phrase that is used in statute for a very particular reason, namely to avoid vagueness, which is a common pitfall in statutes. You'd be surprised how much confusion there is in deciding what "and" and "or" mean. Words like "may" and "shall" have very different, and very precise meanings in the law. And every statute in Alabama goes through an independent agency that works for the legislature staffed by attorneys who do the drafting (some better than others). And I will add this - there has been a push in recent years to make laws MORE readable by the average citizen. So if you think it looks like it was written by someone with a ninth-grade education, it's in large part because the movement is toward non-lawyers (many of whom read on a ninth-grade level) being able to comprehend it, and stop using all the "whereas" and "heretofore" nonsense.

(03-11-2024 11:23 AM)UABFAN23 Wrote:  I don’t think folks realize how much popular UF just got when they fired that department. Goodman is just another example of people employed at a dying business in which folks who are supposed to be direct consumers don’t care what he has to say. So, people stopped buying the paper for having one sided political hacks who liked to tell us how much our state sucks, how much they hate it here, and how much they hate us. Knowing that 65-75% of the state has completely opposite views than the writers and then the teachers unions are completely left leaning but blame opposing politicians for the poor state ranking regarding education.

They use the excuse for the business going out of business as “people just get their news from online nowadays”

Who cares what affect it has on college sports anyways? The NCAA will die once the power 60 break off.

If other stuff has to suffer to put an end to racial discrimination via DEI, so be it. Lowering standards or requirements for eligibility and then only selecting from a pool of this ethnicity is pure discrimination and not merit based.

As someone with a son that recently graduated from UF, I seriously doubt that.

(03-11-2024 11:26 AM)BatesUAB Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 10:57 AM)58-56 Wrote:  ...looks like it was written by someone with a ninth-grade education ("may not do any of the following"). (In other words, typical Alabama legislation not ghostwritten by an outside lobbyist.)...

This shows a lack of understanding of statutory construction, things like conjunctively and disjunctively written statutes and methods of proof. The phrase "may not do any of the following" is a phrase that is used in statute for a very particular reason, namely to avoid vagueness, which is a common pitfall in statutes. You'd be surprised how much confusion in deciding what "and and "or" mean. Words like "may" and "shall" have very different, and very precise meanings in the law. And every statute in Alabama goes through an independent agency that works for the legislature staffed by attorneys who do the drafting (some better than others). And I will add this - there has been a push in recent years to make laws MORE readable by the average citizen. So if you think it looks like it was written by someone with a ninth-grade education, it's in large part because the movement is toward non-lawyers being able to comprehend it, and stop using all the "whereas" and "heretofore" nonsense.

I understand your point. I have wasted a fair amount of hours I will never get back over the difference between "and" and "and/or." And I will concede that I may have been overly harsh, as such legislation is very difficult to craft. It's my opinion, that "do" in this context will prove a structural weakness. This bill, if passed and signed, will be extensively litigated. There are too many taxpayer and donor dollars to be reaped to let the opportunity pass.

One could argue, of course, that a flawed bill is the point, so that virtue can be signaled all around.

The legislature has ultimate authority over state university budgets. If they actually wanted DEI eliminated, they have a far more effective means right in front of them.

(03-11-2024 11:43 AM)58-56 Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 11:26 AM)BatesUAB Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 10:57 AM)58-56 Wrote:  ...looks like it was written by someone with a ninth-grade education ("may not do any of the following"). (In other words, typical Alabama legislation not ghostwritten by an outside lobbyist.)...

This shows a lack of understanding of statutory construction, things like conjunctively and disjunctively written statutes and methods of proof. The phrase "may not do any of the following" is a phrase that is used in statute for a very particular reason, namely to avoid vagueness, which is a common pitfall in statutes. You'd be surprised how much confusion in deciding what "and and "or" mean. Words like "may" and "shall" have very different, and very precise meanings in the law. And every statute in Alabama goes through an independent agency that works for the legislature staffed by attorneys who do the drafting (some better than others). And I will add this - there has been a push in recent years to make laws MORE readable by the average citizen. So if you think it looks like it was written by someone with a ninth-grade education, it's in large part because the movement is toward non-lawyers being able to comprehend it, and stop using all the "whereas" and "heretofore" nonsense.

I understand your point. I have wasted a fair amount of hours I will never get back over the difference between "and" and "and/or." And I will concede that I may have been overly harsh, as such legislation is very difficult to craft. It's my opinion, that "do" in this context will prove a structural weakness. This bill, if passed and signed, will be extensively litigated. There are too many taxpayer and donor dollars to be reaped to let the opportunity pass.

One could argue, of course, that a flawed bill is the point, so that virtue can be signaled all around.

The legislature has ultimate authority over state university budgets. If they actually wanted DEI eliminated, they have a far more effective means right in front of them.

Oh yeah, make no mistake: probably three-quarters of everything the legislators do (both sides of the aisle) is virtue signaling and grandstanding.

(03-11-2024 11:42 AM)WesternBlazer Wrote:  

(03-11-2024 11:23 AM)UABFAN23 Wrote:  I don’t think folks realize how much popular UF just got when they fired that department. Goodman is just another example of people employed at a dying business in which folks who are supposed to be direct consumers don’t care what he has to say. So, people stopped buying the paper for having one sided political hacks who liked to tell us how much our state sucks, how much they hate it here, and how much they hate us. Knowing that 65-75% of the state has completely opposite views than the writers and then the teachers unions are completely left leaning but blame opposing politicians for the poor state ranking regarding education.

They use the excuse for the business going out of business as “people just get their news from online nowadays”

Who cares what affect it has on college sports anyways? The NCAA will die once the power 60 break off.

If other stuff has to suffer to put an end to racial discrimination via DEI, so be it. Lowering standards or requirements for eligibility and then only selecting from a pool of this ethnicity is pure discrimination and not merit based.

As someone with a son that recently graduated from UF, I seriously doubt that.

Am I going to apply where I know my application is going to get trashed for being white or Asian or where my GPA/ACT/SAT far exceeds requirements? Am I going to send my kid to a school that tries to segregate the student population by ethnicity? Why would I spend money on my child to go where everyone is groomed to hate them and then the administrations allow those students to get tar and feathered and not allow any representation on campus for lectures for students who have opposing views from their professors?

The education system from college to grammar school needs sweeping reforms of simply getting back to the basics

"Oh yeah, make no mistake: probably three-quarters of everything the legislators do (both sides of the aisle) is virtue signaling and grandstanding."

The figure may be higher than three quarters when talking about the Alabama lege. Every year they pass virtue signaling culture war bills that are certain to be disputed in court at a cost of hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars in legal fees.

(03-11-2024 11:58 AM)UABFAN23 Wrote:  Am I going to apply where I know my application is going to get trashed for being white or Asian or where my GPA/ACT/SAT far exceeds requirements? Am I going to send my kid to a school that tries to segregate the student population by ethnicity? Why would I spend money on my child to go where everyone is groomed to hate them and then the administrations allow those students to get tar and feathered and not allow any representation on campus for lectures for students who have opposing views from their professors?

The education system from college to grammar school needs sweeping reforms of simply getting back to the basics

Your application will probably got trashed because it's trash. People can't throw up UAB being ranked as a national leader in racial and gender diversity (https://www.uab.edu/news/campus/item/126...leadership) and think DEI didn't help with that.

DEI and WOKE are the boogie man to throw up when people can't explain why they don't like something. UAB has NEVER in my time there, and afte,r been seen as trashing application for Asian students. I still remember what some people use to call "UAB". You want to know then PM me cause I'm not typing it here.

The reason someone will hate your kid is probably because that kid is a jerk or when they voiced the views they grew up on and were taught and found out that it's not the whole truth they got their feelings hurt and tried to double down.


UAB has a whole DEI office that you can google ( https://www.uab.edu/dei/ ).
I can't really say I'm for or against the office, in general, but universities have always tried to recruit to have a diverse student body that reflects the U.S. population. No one is bringing up how DEI also helps with female enrollment, students with disabilities, economic status, and geographic region. Lets just focus on the White and Asian part.

Nowhere did I accuse UAB of doing so. I know the acceptance rate is like 87%. Certain demographics are going to choose to go elsewhere for various reasons(campus life, scholarship money, etc). I’m sure it is happening. Would surprise nobody. Don’t make it right whether it be done for college admissions or workforce hiring. Can’t bang the drum that racism and discrimination is wrong like we all learned at the youngest of age, and then make exceptions as soon as folks get out into the real world.

Diversity, equality, equity isn’t even the goal of the DEI advocates. Theres either a like-minded thought requirement or you have to be on board with our revenge mission, which is why college grads come out voting the way they do recently. With abstract degrees and no job fields. Living with a mob mentality.

UABs African American studies professor is white and was caught throwing rocks at cars. Do you think he got off and remained employed because of white privilege or because of his openness on where his politics lean?

Does anybody with a sane mind, believe an essay on diversity, sexuality, and gender identity should be necessary for admissions or scholarships? lol. No, but most colleges require it. They want to make sure you have a hive mind.

Explains why we have a political divide in the country where it’s the alternate reality celebs/elites who’ve never had real world problems and the college educated vs individualism/character/Liberty based working class.

At some point, merits have to matter again. That’s exactly why DEI is getting the backlash it does. Quality of product and service is dropping. Ultimately it’ll get someone killed. Looking at you, airlines.

Hell, DEI ain’t even really getting backlash for the discrimination factor it encourages. Folks just dont see why the “inclusion” part deserves a place in elementary/middle schools and to be hidden from the parents. Then the parents wonder why their kids are being held back for not being proficient in the core subjects but are curious as to why the kids are discussing sexuality and wondering what gender should I be today that will make me socially accepted because some teacher decides to practice their fetishes at school or their parent forces it on their child to garner empathy for their own mental illness.

Anyways, moving on.

This crap needs to die on the politics board.

(03-11-2024 08:50 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  This crap needs to die on the politics board.

True!

Keeping it sports related, Troy has never had a DEI bureaucracy and it hasn’t affected their ability to field a strong football team. Goodman’s column is 100% scare tactic BS.

(03-12-2024 08:57 AM)BlazerGreen Wrote:  Keeping it sports related, Troy has never had a DEI bureaucracy and it hasn’t affected their ability to field a strong football team. Goodman’s column is 100% scare tactic BS.

You mean their INTERNATIONALIZATION & DIVERSITY mission

https://www.troy.edu/about-us/offices-de...rsity.html

with two of it's 6 points being:

*Number of minority student enrolled/graduated compared to peer institutions
*Number of minority faculty and staff employed.

Googles' right there to double check. The info comes from someone echoing "The Daily Signal", keyword signaling.
"Troy University Proves You Don’t Need DEI to Achieve Campus Diversity"
https://www.dailysignal.com/2024/02/08/t...diversity/
and in the link above it states "internalization" and "Diversity"

Of course it doesn't effect their football team. It's geared towards a diverse campus of faculty and students.

(03-11-2024 08:50 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  This crap needs to die on the politics board.

Rules haven't mattered here in a long time, especially if you are on a certain side of the political spectrum. Oh, that reminds me we haven't had a thread about Bama lately, I'll get that going soon.

Saban is the new face of an old scam

(03-15-2024 08:58 AM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  Rules haven't mattered here in a long time, especially if you are on a certain side of the political spectrum. Oh, that reminds me we haven't had a thread about Bama lately, I'll get that going soon.

Too late

(03-15-2024 01:21 PM)KevMo4UAB Wrote:  Saban is the new face of an old scam

(03-15-2024 01:55 PM)C-Finder Wrote:  

(03-15-2024 08:58 AM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  Rules haven't mattered here in a long time, especially if you are on a certain side of the political spectrum. Oh, that reminds me we haven't had a thread about Bama lately, I'll get that going soon.

Too late

(03-15-2024 01:21 PM)KevMo4UAB Wrote:  Saban is the new face of an old scam

You didn’t read it, did you?