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(03-27-2024 12:41 PM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 12:03 PM)ODUR8R Wrote:  I hope we aren't considering this as our lone exempt tournament. That would be a step in the wrong direction

We're already booked for the Cayman Islands Classic next season. So this highly unlikely dream from Robert Jones wouldn't be the only tournament we played in.

I think that's what most people (not posters on here but the public) do not understand.

Robert Jones clearly understands it but he's playing on the media. He's fishing essentially. He has nothing to lose.

OOC scheduling has its constraints.

Do we play in a Paradise Jam type tournament where we possibly play Xavier, Clemson etc and take those advantageous computer gains into the Sun Belt, thus strengthening our conference mates....or do we forfeit those opportunities and carry games vs Hampton, NSU etc into our league.

We don't get two exempt tournaments. A tournament with these schools is a pipe dream IMO. Now the other option where we have two "scheduled" games with the final game being at the Scope in a tournament like setting could be palatable.

Yeah the only way a tournament could feasibly work is if you did it like the Philly 5, where you just have Home and Homes between the participants with the winner being whoever has the most wins in the end.

Part of me thinks the most likely path forward is just having a doubleheader at Scope. Would just be 1 OOC game and does the job of getting everyone in the same building.

Last time UVa agreed to do the Virginia team tournament, they got beaten by a drunk with a 5 win team. Think they will be a hard pass.

(03-27-2024 02:00 PM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  Last time UVa agreed to do the Virginia team tournament, they got beaten by a drunk with a 5 win team. Think they will be a hard pass.

Technically it was a 2-win team.

(03-27-2024 01:11 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  Yeah the only way a tournament could feasibly work is if you did it like the Philly 5, where you just have Home and Homes between the participants with the winner being whoever has the most wins in the end.

Part of me thinks the most likely path forward is just having a doubleheader at Scope. Would just be 1 OOC game and does the job of getting everyone in the same building.

I still like the idea of a 2 day tournament that always starts with ODU vs WM and NSU vs HU. Winners vs Winners and losers vs losers on day 2. The worst that can happen is we play a CAA team and a MEAC team on a neutral court. I say that's way better than playing VWU or CNU. My biggest issue with it is NSU's coach is such a jerk I'd rather wait and do this after he's gone.

(03-27-2024 02:32 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 01:11 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  Yeah the only way a tournament could feasibly work is if you did it like the Philly 5, where you just have Home and Homes between the participants with the winner being whoever has the most wins in the end.

Part of me thinks the most likely path forward is just having a doubleheader at Scope. Would just be 1 OOC game and does the job of getting everyone in the same building.

I still like the idea of a 2 day tournament that always starts with ODU vs WM and NSU vs HU. Winners vs Winners and losers vs losers on day 2. The worst that can happen is we play a CAA team and a MEAC team on a neutral court. I say that's way better than playing VWU or CNU. My biggest issue with it is NSU's coach is such a jerk I'd rather wait and do this after he's gone.

Could be wrong but I think that would cost us our exempt tournament

(03-27-2024 02:40 PM)ODUR8R Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 02:32 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 01:11 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  Yeah the only way a tournament could feasibly work is if you did it like the Philly 5, where you just have Home and Homes between the participants with the winner being whoever has the most wins in the end.

Part of me thinks the most likely path forward is just having a doubleheader at Scope. Would just be 1 OOC game and does the job of getting everyone in the same building.

I still like the idea of a 2 day tournament that always starts with ODU vs WM and NSU vs HU. Winners vs Winners and losers vs losers on day 2. The worst that can happen is we play a CAA team and a MEAC team on a neutral court. I say that's way better than playing VWU or CNU. My biggest issue with it is NSU's coach is such a jerk I'd rather wait and do this after he's gone.

Could be wrong but I think that would cost us our exempt tournament

Technically it could be set up as a non-exempt event, where every game played would count towards a team's total game count. If they didn't want the number of games to go against their season totals, then they would need to make it exempt.

(03-27-2024 02:52 PM)Nukesquad Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 02:40 PM)ODUR8R Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 02:32 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 01:11 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  Yeah the only way a tournament could feasibly work is if you did it like the Philly 5, where you just have Home and Homes between the participants with the winner being whoever has the most wins in the end.

Part of me thinks the most likely path forward is just having a doubleheader at Scope. Would just be 1 OOC game and does the job of getting everyone in the same building.

I still like the idea of a 2 day tournament that always starts with ODU vs WM and NSU vs HU. Winners vs Winners and losers vs losers on day 2. The worst that can happen is we play a CAA team and a MEAC team on a neutral court. I say that's way better than playing VWU or CNU. My biggest issue with it is NSU's coach is such a jerk I'd rather wait and do this after he's gone.

Could be wrong but I think that would cost us our exempt tournament

Technically it could be set up as a non-exempt event, where every game played would count towards a team's total game count. If they didn't want the number of games to go against their season totals, then they would need to make it exempt.

I wouldnt want to give up the exempt tournament for it, but for our regular OOC we usually play a MEAC and CAA team anyway. Why not make it for something fun like this. I think it would be good for the community and the teams. Sure, we could get embarrassed sometimes, but we cant run and hide from that. Thats what P5s do. Maybe we could use our leverage so its hosted at the Ted instead of Scope. Season ticket allocation could be an issue though.

(03-27-2024 02:52 PM)Nukesquad Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 02:40 PM)ODUR8R Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 02:32 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 01:11 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  Yeah the only way a tournament could feasibly work is if you did it like the Philly 5, where you just have Home and Homes between the participants with the winner being whoever has the most wins in the end.

Part of me thinks the most likely path forward is just having a doubleheader at Scope. Would just be 1 OOC game and does the job of getting everyone in the same building.

I still like the idea of a 2 day tournament that always starts with ODU vs WM and NSU vs HU. Winners vs Winners and losers vs losers on day 2. The worst that can happen is we play a CAA team and a MEAC team on a neutral court. I say that's way better than playing VWU or CNU. My biggest issue with it is NSU's coach is such a jerk I'd rather wait and do this after he's gone.

Could be wrong but I think that would cost us our exempt tournament

Technically it could be set up as a non-exempt event, where every game played would count towards a team's total game count. If they didn't want the number of games to go against their season totals, then they would need to make it exempt.

Makes sense. Thanks!

No sex appeal, not advantageous, no interest.

I’m guessing NSU Jones is angling for home-and-home arrangements with the locals - especially ODU. I can’t imagine ODU doing that though,
nor playing non-exempt neutral games at Scope. Would NSU agree to a 2-for-1 or 3-for-1 deal with ODU?

Folks, the ODU men's basketball program that we used to know will not return in our lifetime. The days of us receiving at large bids are over. Some don't want to admit it but deep down inside we each know that it is true. Win the conference tournament or go home. That said, a regular season arrangement that brings the teams that I mentioned would be good for our area. I believe that it could be accomplished without jeopardizing the exempt tournament that several posters referenced. We don't need to think big, we need to think smart using the limited resources that are available to us.

Interesting reading these comments. I understand the concern with the tournament issue but there are ways around it. We can’t go around bellyaching that higher quality programs won’t play us, then turn around and do that same thing. To be honest, we’re not even the higher quality program.


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(03-27-2024 08:52 PM)ODU1986 Wrote:  Interesting reading these comments. I understand the concern with the tournament issue but there are ways around it. We can’t go around bellyaching that higher quality programs won’t play us, then turn around and do that same thing. To be honest, we’re not even the higher quality program.


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Our program (and conference) are significantly higher than the MEAC and Division 3 basketball.

I understand playing Hampton and NSU, but we don't need to fill the schedule with MEAC and Div 3 schools. I can see the argument for playing 1, D-3 game to start but these games would do nothing for us and everything for them.

(03-27-2024 08:55 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 08:52 PM)ODU1986 Wrote:  Interesting reading these comments. I understand the concern with the tournament issue but there are ways around it. We can’t go around bellyaching that higher quality programs won’t play us, then turn around and do that same thing. To be honest, we’re not even the higher quality program.


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Our program (and conference) are significantly higher than the MEAC and Division 3 basketball.

I understand playing Hampton and NSU, but we don't need to fill the schedule with MEAC and Div 3 schools. I can see the argument for playing 1, D-3 game to start but these games would do nothing for us and everything for them.

I’m up for playing any of the D1 state schools. Home and away. 1 for 1. You can’t play them all obviously. Richmond,VCU, GMU and William and Mary are the ones I’d like to play the most. I also wouldn’t mind if they signed on to play UVA or VT in a 2 for 1 type deal.

(03-27-2024 08:55 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 08:52 PM)ODU1986 Wrote:  Interesting reading these comments. I understand the concern with the tournament issue but there are ways around it. We can’t go around bellyaching that higher quality programs won’t play us, then turn around and do that same thing. To be honest, we’re not even the higher quality program.


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Our program (and conference) are significantly higher than the MEAC and Division 3 basketball.

I understand playing Hampton and NSU, but we don't need to fill the schedule with MEAC and Div 3 schools. I can see the argument for playing 1, D-3 game to start but these games would do nothing for us and everything for them.

Who's saying that we need to play D3 schools? I think most here want the D3 games to be gone completely as a matter of fact lol

We are more likely than not to keep one warmup game IMO.

Even Duke opened the season with UNC Pembroke.

These games are exhibitions. Even if you lose they don't count against you but losing to the worst D1 school for example can nearly derail an entire season.

(03-27-2024 10:15 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 08:55 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(03-27-2024 08:52 PM)ODU1986 Wrote:  Interesting reading these comments. I understand the concern with the tournament issue but there are ways around it. We can’t go around bellyaching that higher quality programs won’t play us, then turn around and do that same thing. To be honest, we’re not even the higher quality program.


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Our program (and conference) are significantly higher than the MEAC and Division 3 basketball.

I understand playing Hampton and NSU, but we don't need to fill the schedule with MEAC and Div 3 schools. I can see the argument for playing 1, D-3 game to start but these games would do nothing for us and everything for them.

Who's saying that we need to play D3 schools? I think most here want the D3 games to be gone completely as a matter of fact lol

The ones advocating for playing the 5 schools in the 757...Hampton, NSU, ODU, Virginia Wesleyan, Christopher Newport.

(03-27-2024 06:42 PM)ODone Wrote:  I’m guessing NSU Jones is angling for home-and-home arrangements with the locals - especially ODU. I can’t imagine ODU doing that though,
nor playing non-exempt neutral games at Scope. Would NSU agree to a 2-for-1 or 3-for-1 deal with ODU?

I feel that he says and does all the right things from a marketing perspective for the size/conference/etc. of the school he coaches. However, see how much he wants to play ODU if you tell him there is no guaranteed cash associated with the game.

I'm sorry, but outside of a neutral court multi-team event, it doesn't benefit ODU to play NSU outside of the Ted, AT ALL. Yes, we can talk about how the UVA/VTs of the world won't play us so why do the same. Would I like to see P5s on our FB/MBB/WBB schedules? Yes. But if not, then ODU still needs to schedule the best OOC teams that they can, period. And unfortunately judging the "best" teams includes their respective conference. Again, even though he typically rubs me the wrong way, I love what Jones has been doing with NSU, but I guess I don't feel the need to associate with NSU with our athletics teams as others do.

We would be better off with NET, playing 5 Top 100 teams, than one Top 25. P4s aren't doing OOC road games.