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(03-07-2024 11:08 PM)Big4Blue Wrote:  

(03-07-2024 06:57 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  Didn't I read somewhere where the A10 Schools are open to scheduling us again?

Richmond?

If ODU is scheduling CAA teams each year, why not schedule, college of Charleston. The JJ years are over. Scheduled the best.

(03-08-2024 12:39 PM)bluelight Wrote:  

(03-07-2024 11:08 PM)Big4Blue Wrote:  

(03-07-2024 06:57 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  Didn't I read somewhere where the A10 Schools are open to scheduling us again?

Richmond?

If ODU is scheduling CAA teams each year, why not schedule, college of Charleston. The JJ years are over. Scheduled the best.

Richmond is A10. We have scheduled Charleston recently and hopefully will again soon.

(03-08-2024 10:21 AM)bench jockey Wrote:  Paul Webb Memorial Tournament.

If A10 relents on playing us, then VCU or Richmond or Mason every year (rotate). An ACC school (Wake?) and a Big 5 team (Penn, La Salle, St Joe's, Temple).

Just a thought

Definitely Mason. After VCU, to me they are our biggest rival.

I am glad we didn’t play Longwood this year. Their front line would have killed ours.

We need to dump William&Mary, Radford and Northeastern as soon as possible

I'm generally not a fan of 2 for 1 but I would make an exception here.

Grab like three 2 for 1s beginning in 2025 which could bring three power school here three seasons from now when the team is ready to rock and roll. As it currently stands ODU will never be in consideration for the tournament short of winning the Sun Belt Tournament with only nine (at best) Net Quadrant 1/2 games a season.

I am glad we didn’t play Longwood this year. Their front line would have killed ours.

We got to get better, to schedule teams with post season aspirations. Right now we're a NET.

(03-10-2024 04:17 PM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  We got to get better, to schedule teams with post season aspirations. Right now we're a NET.

I don't understand your last sentence.

Anyways there are a lot of ways to improve the schedule. William and Mary does zero for us as does Northeastern.

I remember Iona one year just taking on everyone on the road. We could do something similar, tough road games and layup home games until we get better to get reasonable home and homes. That's why I suggested an occasional 2 for 1 with power teams for now while seeking H/,H with A 10 type schools.

I like having William and Mary on the schedule just for the history between the two schools. We gotta have a tomato can every year and I'd much rather play W&M than UMES

Also we should probably beat them more often if we're gonna take the "they don't do enough for us" approach

I think the schedule is way overblown to be honest. The team just needs to win. The schedule this year was really good. I don’t mind playing William and Mary and Norfolk St for that matter. As long as you can play on a good neutral court tournament like the team usually does and squeeze a road game in at a good P5 and that’s good enough. It would be nice to have a little better home schedule but it’s tough. If U of R and VCU get back on the schedule it will all be good in my book. I got no issue playing Drexel and NE either.

I disagree. ODU only played 9 quad 1/2 games. We cannot be in the at large discussion with that few opportunities. JMU has played a total of 3. We need like at least 12 quad 1 or 2 games. The schedule needs an upgrade. It has really fallen off.

(03-10-2024 08:23 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  I think the schedule is way overblown to be honest. The team just needs to win. The schedule this year was really good. I don’t mind playing William and Mary and Norfolk St for that matter. As long as you can play on a good neutral court tournament like the team usually does and squeeze a road game in at a good P5 and that’s good enough. It would be nice to have a little better home schedule but it’s tough. If U of R and VCU get back on the schedule it will all be good in my book. I got no issue playing Drexel and NE either.

I agree with this. I like playing the local state schools. Getting an at large bid is extremely tough these days so we might as well schedule the local teams and hopefully UR and VCU start playing us again. Our post season hopes will probably hinge on the tournament most every year and playing those schools would help us get ready for that. I would love to see us play some P5 teams but I doubt they will want to play us. Hopefully we get in some good holiday tournaments and start to make some noise in them.

(03-10-2024 08:57 PM)ODUR8R Wrote:  I disagree. ODU only played 9 quad 1/2 games. We cannot be in the at large discussion with that few opportunities. JMU has played a total of 3. We need like at least 12 quad 1 or 2 games. The schedule needs an upgrade. It has really fallen off.

The team needs to be good. That’s what matters. Win games. The only reason the schedule has fallen off is because VCU and U of R aren’t on it. Any Sun Belt team is gonna have to win 30 games to get an at large anyway.

(03-10-2024 09:15 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  

(03-10-2024 08:57 PM)ODUR8R Wrote:  I disagree. ODU only played 9 quad 1/2 games. We cannot be in the at large discussion with that few opportunities. JMU has played a total of 3. We need like at least 12 quad 1 or 2 games. The schedule needs an upgrade. It has really fallen off.

The team needs to be good. That’s what matters. Win games. The only reason the schedule has fallen off is because VCU and U of R aren’t on it. Any Sun Belt team is gonna have to win 30 games to get an at large anyway.

That's not how it works.

The selection committee doesn't look at win loss record. They look at NET rating and quad wins

(03-10-2024 09:17 PM)ODUR8R Wrote:  

(03-10-2024 09:15 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  

(03-10-2024 08:57 PM)ODUR8R Wrote:  I disagree. ODU only played 9 quad 1/2 games. We cannot be in the at large discussion with that few opportunities. JMU has played a total of 3. We need like at least 12 quad 1 or 2 games. The schedule needs an upgrade. It has really fallen off.

The team needs to be good. That’s what matters. Win games. The only reason the schedule has fallen off is because VCU and U of R aren’t on it. Any Sun Belt team is gonna have to win 30 games to get an at large anyway.

That's not how it works.

The selection committee doesn't look at win loss record. They look at NET rating and quad wins

I don’t need you to tell me how it works. Teams from conf USA and sun belt and CAA have gotten ZERO at large bids over the last few years. My point is that none of these schools can play enough quad 1 games. It’s almost impossible unless you are Gonzaga. P5 teams get to play two quad 1 games every week. They can go 8-14 against quad 1/2 and get a bid. ODU could go 4-4. And still be worse in all the rankings. It’s not gonna happen. Might as well just win 30 games and be really freaking good like this JMU team. It’s not 2010 anymore. All these new metrics push down these mid conferences even more. That BT team that got an at large and lost to Butler would never get a bid now. It sucks but it’s true.

Well, JMU and their 1 quad 1 win isn't getting in either despite their 30 wins if they lose tonight

(03-11-2024 05:51 AM)ODUR8R Wrote:  Well, JMU and their 1 quad 1 win isn't getting in either despite their 30 wins if they lose tonight

Exactly. Might as well go 30-4 and play in the NIT than go 27-7 with a tougher schedule and still play in the NIT. My argument is if the team re-establishes themselves as a good program, it will then lead to scheduling better. But we are on here complaining about the schedule and we have a losing record against that schedule over the last 5 years…. Got to win first. Then talk to me about the schedule.

(03-10-2024 08:57 PM)ODUR8R Wrote:  I disagree. ODU only played 9 quad 1/2 games. We cannot be in the at large discussion with that few opportunities. JMU has played a total of 3. We need like at least 12 quad 1 or 2 games. The schedule needs an upgrade. It has really fallen off.

It would be very difficult to get a better out of conference schedule than we did this year. 2 P5s, plus good mid majors in Princeton, Drexel, JMU, UMASS.

The chances of any Sunbelt team getting an at large is extremely low at these point anyways but the schedule this year was about as good as we could realistically get.

(03-10-2024 09:17 PM)ODUR8R Wrote:  

(03-10-2024 09:15 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  

(03-10-2024 08:57 PM)ODUR8R Wrote:  I disagree. ODU only played 9 quad 1/2 games. We cannot be in the at large discussion with that few opportunities. JMU has played a total of 3. We need like at least 12 quad 1 or 2 games. The schedule needs an upgrade. It has really fallen off.

The team needs to be good. That’s what matters. Win games. The only reason the schedule has fallen off is because VCU and U of R aren’t on it. Any Sun Belt team is gonna have to win 30 games to get an at large anyway.

That's not how it works.

The selection committee doesn't look at win loss record. They look at NET rating and quad wins

The only reason JMU has a glimmer of hope to get in the tournament is their Win/Loss record. None of the metrics support it.

I think we are having a good discussion.

I agree. We are looking three years down the road. Some of that legwork needs to get started now. People want to talk about recruiting, Hodge brothers and all these top 90 percent scenarios. That doesn't happen with our current schedule...kids don't want to play at Northeastern or Bill and Mary if they options to play at Duke or UCONN. I agree the schedule will take a few years to get adjusted but it needs to line up with our window of relevancy. We also need to sell the program. Our current schedule will be used against us in recruiting.

As far as at large. I believe ODU can be a program that can fight for an at large. If not then what are we even doing?

Now it will take a group effort from our Sun Belt partners. We need allies in JMU, Marshall whoever we might play twice each season that has post season aspirations. We need to have non conference scheduling philosophy that is conducive to helping each other out. It is all baked in/correlated.

CAA teams got at large bids. VCU went to the final four after we beat them in the tournament as you know I'm sure. But it was because Hofstra, Drexel, GMU were also good that we all had many more NET (not around then) opportunities than we currently have. I think we can get more NET games within the Sun Belt if we adapt our non conference schedule a bit.