(03-01-2024 01:06 PM)BigIslandBuc Wrote:  As an aside, I want to say that among the signs of hope for the future is the play of Strothers this year. I don't know when I have seen such a turnaround for any player as occurred with him. Last year it was cringeworthy to watch him bringing the ball up the court, almost invariably leading to a palm to forehead turnover. This year he appears calm and under control and has made a significant contribution. Whether it is due solely to his own efforts and/or instruction from the coaching staff, it has been one of the bright spots of the season for me.

I've been cheering for Strothers. I'm no expert, but I think he's much better offensively than he thinks he is. His offensive struggles seem to be more of confidence problem than an ability problem. He's one of the better defenders, but just doesn't provide enough offensive threat to get more minutes. My hope is that he can develop offensively and be sort of a "glue guy," providing defense, 3-4 rebounds, 5 assists, high single digit points (with occasional gusts into double digits) while keeping turnovers to 2 or less.

(03-01-2024 09:35 PM)Mister Consistency Wrote:  

(03-01-2024 04:04 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  So —- as NIL settles in, the schools with the most NIL MONEY will buy and put the best teams on the court. It’s essentially a waste of time to be talking about next year until the final window on the Transfer Portal closes - unless some judge changes that. Incidentally — who currently has and is offering the most NIL money in the SoCon? As for coaches — good luck trying to put together basketball programs. And, long range - a coach looking for a job better take a hard look at the NIL pot of a school that’s interested in hiring him. In this environment — some of the greatest coaches of all time might not have made it if trying to work their way up if in the wrong place at the wrong time — that being poor NIL schools.

Schools will eventually go the Samford/WCU route and hire coaches who bring their own resources. A coach with his own money can build and maintain teams far more easily (from the school's POV) than leaning on school resources. It will be like NASCAR where drivers bring their own sponsorship to a team.

Could you elaborate on what the “eventually go the Samford/WCU route” means or refers to?

(03-01-2024 09:35 PM)Mister Consistency Wrote:  

(03-01-2024 04:04 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  So —- as NIL settles in, the schools with the most NIL MONEY will buy and put the best teams on the court. It’s essentially a waste of time to be talking about next year until the final window on the Transfer Portal closes - unless some judge changes that. Incidentally — who currently has and is offering the most NIL money in the SoCon? As for coaches — good luck trying to put together basketball programs. And, long range - a coach looking for a job better take a hard look at the NIL pot of a school that’s interested in hiring him. In this environment — some of the greatest coaches of all time might not have made it if trying to work their way up if in the wrong place at the wrong time — that being poor NIL schools.

Schools will eventually go the Samford/WCU route and hire coaches who bring their own resources. A coach with his own money can build and maintain teams far more easily (from the school's POV) than leaning on school resources. It will be like NASCAR where drivers bring their own sponsorship to a team.

A couple of questions here, and I’m not throwing rocks, but how does a coach bring their own money? If Steve Forbes has people at ETSU paying NIL money to his players, that is paid by ETSU fans and donors. If he then gets a job at Wake, these same fans aren’t going to take their money and start giving it to Wake players, even if they transfer from ETSU. So I’m not seeing how he can really “bring anything” with him. He’s then dependent on what Wake fans are willing to do. Now they may be willing to invest more when they see the caliber of coach they’re getting, but he doesn’t really bring anything with him. If they see he’s a real fundraiser, that could be what they’re after potentially, but the actual money won’t likely follow him to Wake. Maybe there’s another angle you’re referring to, and I’m just not seeing it.

(03-02-2024 12:03 PM)Efan Wrote:  

(03-01-2024 09:35 PM)Mister Consistency Wrote:  

(03-01-2024 04:04 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  So —- as NIL settles in, the schools with the most NIL MONEY will buy and put the best teams on the court. It’s essentially a waste of time to be talking about next year until the final window on the Transfer Portal closes - unless some judge changes that. Incidentally — who currently has and is offering the most NIL money in the SoCon? As for coaches — good luck trying to put together basketball programs. And, long range - a coach looking for a job better take a hard look at the NIL pot of a school that’s interested in hiring him. In this environment — some of the greatest coaches of all time might not have made it if trying to work their way up if in the wrong place at the wrong time — that being poor NIL schools.

Schools will eventually go the Samford/WCU route and hire coaches who bring their own resources. A coach with his own money can build and maintain teams far more easily (from the school's POV) than leaning on school resources. It will be like NASCAR where drivers bring their own sponsorship to a team.

A couple of questions here, and I’m not throwing rocks, but how does a coach bring their own money? If Steve Forbes has people at ETSU paying NIL money to his players, that is paid by ETSU fans and donors. If he then gets a job at Wake, these same fans aren’t going to take their money and start giving it to Wake players, even if they transfer from ETSU. So I’m not seeing how he can really “bring anything” with him. He’s then dependent on what Wake fans are willing to do. Now they may be willing to invest more when they see the caliber of coach they’re getting, but he doesn’t really bring anything with him. If they see he’s a real fundraiser, that could be what they’re after potentially, but the actual money won’t likely follow him to Wake. Maybe there’s another angle you’re referring to, and I’m just not seeing it.

And, what resources did the WCU and Samford coaches bring with them? These coaches are paying players with their “own money”? Not following this. As for this NIL - it has so many unforeseen consequences as to be a potential wild west show - maybe already is.

I'm not sure about Samford, but WCU has the backing of NBA hall of (future) hall of fame guard Chris Paul. He is good friends with current head coach Justin Gray. Prior teammates at Wake Forest. That would explain the 100k for Woolbright

(03-03-2024 06:46 PM)Buced_Up Wrote:  I'm not sure about Samford, but WCU has the backing of NBA hall of (future) hall of fame guard Chris Paul. He is good friends with current head coach Justin Gray. Prior teammates at Wake Forest. That would explain the 100k for Woolbright

That may make sense, if Chris Paul is in fact paying Woolbright’s NIL. If he’s just buddies with the coach, then that doesn’t translate into much.

This was brought up at the NIL meeting a couple weeks ago. Chris Paul is in fact donating to western's NIL fund

(03-04-2024 01:50 PM)Buced_Up Wrote:  This was brought up at the NIL meeting a couple weeks ago. Chris Paul is in fact donating to western's NIL fund

Now — how is NIL money allocated? Does each player on the payroll negotiate his/her own deal or does the school establish the pay scale? Who ultimately decides who gets what and on what criteria? Seems like happy hunting grounds for a new class of agents. What does this do to TEAM unity and morale? WOW — the questions and unforeseen consequences are endless.

One more time 66.
ETSU cannot participate in NIL The collective does all the negotiations, payments, etc.

(03-04-2024 07:17 PM)Buc76 Wrote:  One more time 66.
ETSU cannot participate in NIL The collective does all the negotiations, payments, etc.

No matter - the collective represents the school. So, remove school and replace it with collective and answer my questions.

Good show tonight with Doc and Pete Peterson. He is exactly the right person to be in charge of the collective. I think we will catch up quickly as Doc first had to correct all of the tragic hires that Carter made. Jay referred to a future podcast that will be made to get a lot more details out to the fans. It is something that has to be done to compete at our level and I now feel much better about our ability to compete.

(03-04-2024 07:26 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  

(03-04-2024 07:17 PM)Buc76 Wrote:  One more time 66.
ETSU cannot participate in NIL The collective does all the negotiations, payments, etc.

No matter - the collective represents the school. So, remove school and replace it with collective and answer my questions.

No it does not. It's a separate entity

(03-04-2024 07:33 PM)bucfan81 Wrote:  Good show tonight with Doc and Pete Peterson. He is exactly the right person to be in charge of the collective. I think we will catch up quickly as Doc first had to correct all of the tragic hires that Carter made. Jay referred to a future podcast that will be made to get a lot more details out to the fans. It is something that has to be done to compete at our level and I now feel much better about our ability to compete.

Thanks, 81.. will be interested to listen to that one as well

(03-04-2024 09:45 PM)Buced_Up Wrote:  

(03-04-2024 07:33 PM)bucfan81 Wrote:  Good show tonight with Doc and Pete Peterson. He is exactly the right person to be in charge of the collective. I think we will catch up quickly as Doc first had to correct all of the tragic hires that Carter made. Jay referred to a future podcast that will be made to get a lot more details out to the fans. It is something that has to be done to compete at our level and I now feel much better about our ability to compete.

Thanks, 81.. will be interested to listen to that one as well

No problem. I think we are in good hands that know what they are doing. Bucs will be back competing for championships!