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(02-27-2024 06:49 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
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(02-27-2024 12:28 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  If you'll recall, JRsec talked about this a long time ago. This is why you have an explosion in online education. This, in addition to the court decisions and everything else is what "scared" Oklahoma & Texas into joining the SEC, despite actually liking the setup that they had in the Big XII and is the reason why FSU & Co. are attacking the GOR. JRsec has been telling you guys this for a very long time, IMO. Don't forget that the Baby Boomers are getting older also. Even Generation X is aging. Not a good combo, IMO.

I see a lot of community colleges going under. They've practically been replaced by online education anyway, IMO. More private colleges will probably go under also. There are some with a brand big enough to withstand a lot, but only a select few, again, IMHO.

JR talks about it constantly.

I think the community colleges are actually the safest after the flagships. Its everything in between that is at risk. They are the cheap alternative. And they often have an online option. Now maybe they are at risk in states like Ohio and Pennsylvania where the various systems have overlapping 2 year colleges in close proximity, but in states like Texas and Georgia I think they are fairly safe. They've done some mergers in Georgia, but those are saving overhead, not real estate.

They are pretty safe, especially if they have begun to be utilized like a trade school, electrical, plumbing, carpentry, computer science. etc. Marketable skills are aways needed. Directional state schools pumping out Liberal Arts degrees not so much.

Safe is STEM at the flagship state U and trade skills at Former Governer's Wife's Named Jr. College are the safe investments. Other than that each state needs one large Normal School (old timey name for teacher's college).

Sounds kind of like my alma mater, but it does have a college of business and began as a teacher's college. So, the University of Montevallo fills that role for the state of Alabama, IMO.

One thing I have a lot of in my job is time to think. So I got to thinking about my own post. I'm sure that a lot of you think & believe it's a great honor to go to a state flagship university. But, as someone on the autism spectrum, when I learned how big classes were at Auburn and Alabama, I was honestly intimidated!!! I loved my small class sizes at the University of Montevallo, and got to know a lot of different folks, and got my bachelor's degree. I honestly don't think I could have pulled that off at 'Bama or Auburn. So, IMHO, that's the niche the University of Montevallo needs to appeal to in order to survive.

Schools fit different niches. My wife and I loved our schools, Texas and Georgia. But you are kind of a number there. You have to have the right type of mentality. Auburn, where our son goes, is more homey. It felt right for him, like Montevallo felt right for you.
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(02-27-2024 07:24 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(02-27-2024 06:49 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(02-27-2024 02:03 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(02-27-2024 10:00 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-27-2024 01:03 AM)bullet Wrote:  JR talks about it constantly.

I think the community colleges are actually the safest after the flagships. Its everything in between that is at risk. They are the cheap alternative. And they often have an online option. Now maybe they are at risk in states like Ohio and Pennsylvania where the various systems have overlapping 2 year colleges in close proximity, but in states like Texas and Georgia I think they are fairly safe. They've done some mergers in Georgia, but those are saving overhead, not real estate.

They are pretty safe, especially if they have begun to be utilized like a trade school, electrical, plumbing, carpentry, computer science. etc. Marketable skills are aways needed. Directional state schools pumping out Liberal Arts degrees not so much.

Safe is STEM at the flagship state U and trade skills at Former Governer's Wife's Named Jr. College are the safe investments. Other than that each state needs one large Normal School (old timey name for teacher's college).

Sounds kind of like my alma mater, but it does have a college of business and began as a teacher's college. So, the University of Montevallo fills that role for the state of Alabama, IMO.

One thing I have a lot of in my job is time to think. So I got to thinking about my own post. I'm sure that a lot of you think & believe it's a great honor to go to a state flagship university. But, as someone on the autism spectrum, when I learned how big classes were at Auburn and Alabama, I was honestly intimidated!!! I loved my small class sizes at the University of Montevallo, and got to know a lot of different folks, and got my bachelor's degree. I honestly don't think I could have pulled that off at 'Bama or Auburn. So, IMHO, that's the niche the University of Montevallo needs to appeal to in order to survive.

Schools fit different niches. My wife and I loved our schools, Texas and Georgia. But you are kind of a number there. You have to have the right type of mentality. Auburn, where our son goes, is more homey. It felt right for him, like Montevallo felt right for you.
And Auburn overwhelmed our oldest daughter but our youngest ate it up with a spoon with her time in the marching band and graduating Summa. The other went to Troy. It was just right for her and she was also in the marching band. She found her confidence and did quite well. Truly there are different fits for different people. And where you go to your undergraduate for your first two years when core curriculum is covered is really meaningless as far as where you can go afterwards, especially if you apply yourself. Truly serious students might do much better at a smaller university for their first two years because at Auburn or Alabama, and I'm sure elsewhere you get PHD students teaching many of those core courses and most of them have other worries than what is going on with a Freshman or Sophomore. I always told the young people I knew to get their first two years anywhere they felt was comfortable. Then go to a quality school for their Junior and Senior year in undergrad and pick out an even better one for their Masters or PHD.
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(02-26-2024 10:58 PM)bullet Wrote:  And the drop seems to be coming really soon. 2025 is 18 years from the 2007 dropoff in birth rates. And as the article mentions, Chinese international enrollment is dropping. Its not just due to relations between the countries, but also due to the remarkable growth of research universities in China. There are good options at home now. I would expect that to be a long term decline. And, of course, China also has its own baby bust coming.
Good. Stay there and they'll have their own set of problems. Sounds like a win win for us. Regarding American higher education, a lot of HS kids have figured out that much of the "must go to uni" mindset was a scam and created millions of debt slaves. If you're not majoring in healthcare, engineering or some other marketable STEM field chances are pretty high you're wasting your time and money in uni.

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(02-27-2024 07:50 PM)b2b Wrote:  
(02-26-2024 10:58 PM)bullet Wrote:  And the drop seems to be coming really soon. 2025 is 18 years from the 2007 dropoff in birth rates. And as the article mentions, Chinese international enrollment is dropping. Its not just due to relations between the countries, but also due to the remarkable growth of research universities in China. There are good options at home now. I would expect that to be a long term decline. And, of course, China also has its own baby bust coming.
Good. Stay there and they'll have their own set of problems. Sounds like a win win for us. Regarding American higher education, a lot of HS kids have figured out that much of the "must go to uni" mindset was a scam and created millions of debt slaves. If you're not majoring in healthcare, engineering or some other marketable STEM field chances are pretty high you're wasting your time and money in uni.

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I never once directly applied my degree, but it also helped me achieve all of the success I've had in life. I met my wife in school (though we didn't start dating until years later). I got my first job with what ended up being the only person I ever worked for straight out of school b/c he recruited at A&M. I would be bitterly disappointed if my daughters passed on college. It is expensive, but, like anything else, you get rewards out of it based at least partly upon what you put into it. I think that for a reasonably intelligent kid, say top 50% in hs class, the long term rewards are greater to attend college for the same amount of effort, but skipping college and going straight to trade school will give him more money sooner.
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(02-26-2024 10:58 PM)bullet Wrote:  And the drop seems to be coming really soon. 2025 is 18 years from the 2007 dropoff in birth rates. And as the article mentions, Chinese international enrollment is dropping. Its not just due to relations between the countries, but also due to the remarkable growth of research universities in China. There are good options at home now. I would expect that to be a long term decline. And, of course, China also has its own baby bust coming.

Yes, but their population is about 3X ours (or more).
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(02-27-2024 11:17 PM)EdwordL Wrote:  
(02-26-2024 10:58 PM)bullet Wrote:  And the drop seems to be coming really soon. 2025 is 18 years from the 2007 dropoff in birth rates. And as the article mentions, Chinese international enrollment is dropping. Its not just due to relations between the countries, but also due to the remarkable growth of research universities in China. There are good options at home now. I would expect that to be a long term decline. And, of course, China also has its own baby bust coming.

Yes, but their population is about 3X ours (or more).
This is true but like in the U.S. get outside of the major cities and they aren't exactly chomping at the bit to support their regime. Still the manpower difference is palpable which is why they will not attack us until they can take out our satellites, which makes the test of the new microwave weapon they've developed a couple of weeks ago all the more ominous. I had thought our window of preparation was a decade, it may be much less. We'll see how quickly we utilize AI. Those tic tac UFO's are likely a supersonic remote drone which is magnetically propelled. I sure hope they are ours.
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(02-26-2024 10:58 PM)bullet Wrote:  And the drop seems to be coming really soon. 2025 is 18 years from the 2007 dropoff in birth rates. And as the article mentions, Chinese international enrollment is dropping. Its not just due to relations between the countries, but also due to the remarkable growth of research universities in China. There are good options at home now. I would expect that to be a long term decline. And, of course, China also has its own baby bust coming.

China had its own baby bust built into the system as a matter of policy for decades. India is set to surpass China as the world's most populous country any day now.

New universities sprouting in China do not have a huge impact on the enrolment of international students elsewhere. True, China leaders are concerned to keep more of the country's brains at home (this is actually one goal of its space program). China's best and brightest for the most part still want out. For every Chinese national enrolled in university in Europe or North America, scores and even hundreds wanted that same spot.

Of the Chinese nationals who graduate with advanced degrees from American universities, a very high percentage intend to remain in the States—even though most are still the only children in their Chinese families.

Of course, populous countries exist besides China. India, as noted, is about to take the world lead in population. Have you seen the population figures for Indonesia, Pakistan, and Nigeria? These countries are huge.

US Census Bureau projection as of midsummer 2024
1. China 1,416,043,270
2. India 1,409,128,296
3. United States 336,673,595
4. Indonesia 281,562,465
5. Pakistan 252,363,571
6. Nigeria 236,747,130
7. Brazil 220,051,512
8. Bangladesh 168,697,184
9. Russia 140,820,810
10. Mexico 130,739,927

It remains true today as it has for years: there is no shortage of students internationally who would welcome an opportunity to study in the US. The main thing for the US is not to take this advantage for granted and blow it.
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(02-28-2024 11:33 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  
(02-26-2024 10:58 PM)bullet Wrote:  And the drop seems to be coming really soon. 2025 is 18 years from the 2007 dropoff in birth rates. And as the article mentions, Chinese international enrollment is dropping. Its not just due to relations between the countries, but also due to the remarkable growth of research universities in China. There are good options at home now. I would expect that to be a long term decline. And, of course, China also has its own baby bust coming.

China had its own baby bust built into the system as a matter of policy for decades. India is set to surpass China as the world's most populous country any day now.

New universities sprouting in China do not have a huge impact on the enrolment of international students elsewhere. True, China leaders are concerned to keep more of the country's brains at home (this is actually one goal of its space program). China's best and brightest for the most part still want out. For every Chinese national enrolled in university in Europe or North America, scores and even hundreds wanted that same spot.

Of the Chinese nationals who graduate with advanced degrees from American universities, a very high percentage intend to remain in the States—even though most are still the only children in their Chinese families.

Of course, populous countries exist besides China. India, as noted, is about to take the world lead in population. Have you seen the population figures for Indonesia, Pakistan, and Nigeria? These countries are huge.

US Census Bureau projection as of midsummer 2024
1. China 1,416,043,270
2. India 1,409,128,296
3. United States 336,673,595
4. Indonesia 281,562,465
5. Pakistan 252,363,571
6. Nigeria 236,747,130
7. Brazil 220,051,512
8. Bangladesh 168,697,184
9. Russia 140,820,810
10. Mexico 130,739,927

It remains true today as it has for years: there is no shortage of students internationally who would welcome an opportunity to study in the US. The main thing for the US is not to take this advantage for granted and blow it.

Post Graduate work remains a key access to the learning and taking of innovation from other nations. It reminds of the heady days of the Third Reich when German students studied all over Europe, particularly England and spent a great deal of time riding bicycles all over the country. After the war it was discovered that those bicycle trips were to create hand written maps with key details for military installations and industries, and food and water reserves.

A free nation's avarice is always the best tool to use against it. And it is what happens when industry is the largest political contributor. One mind set has been that if you educate your enemies you open them up to ideas and create a better world. Another mind set is if you educate your enemies you make stronger enemies and weaken your advantages. One mindset is hopeful and the other mindset is practical. It's just a matter of which you believe. The problem is you may be betting your life on wishful thinking.
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(02-28-2024 12:42 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-28-2024 11:33 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  
(02-26-2024 10:58 PM)bullet Wrote:  And the drop seems to be coming really soon. 2025 is 18 years from the 2007 dropoff in birth rates. And as the article mentions, Chinese international enrollment is dropping. Its not just due to relations between the countries, but also due to the remarkable growth of research universities in China. There are good options at home now. I would expect that to be a long term decline. And, of course, China also has its own baby bust coming.

China had its own baby bust built into the system as a matter of policy for decades. India is set to surpass China as the world's most populous country any day now.

New universities sprouting in China do not have a huge impact on the enrolment of international students elsewhere. True, China leaders are concerned to keep more of the country's brains at home (this is actually one goal of its space program). China's best and brightest for the most part still want out. For every Chinese national enrolled in university in Europe or North America, scores and even hundreds wanted that same spot.

Of the Chinese nationals who graduate with advanced degrees from American universities, a very high percentage intend to remain in the States—even though most are still the only children in their Chinese families.

Of course, populous countries exist besides China. India, as noted, is about to take the world lead in population. Have you seen the population figures for Indonesia, Pakistan, and Nigeria? These countries are huge.

US Census Bureau projection as of midsummer 2024
1. China 1,416,043,270
2. India 1,409,128,296
3. United States 336,673,595
4. Indonesia 281,562,465
5. Pakistan 252,363,571
6. Nigeria 236,747,130
7. Brazil 220,051,512
8. Bangladesh 168,697,184
9. Russia 140,820,810
10. Mexico 130,739,927

It remains true today as it has for years: there is no shortage of students internationally who would welcome an opportunity to study in the US. The main thing for the US is not to take this advantage for granted and blow it.

Post Graduate work remains a key access to the learning and taking of innovation from other nations. It reminds of the heady days of the Third Reich when German students studied all over Europe, particularly England and spent a great deal of time riding bicycles all over the country. After the war it was discovered that those bicycle trips were to create hand written maps with key details for military installations and industries, and food and water reserves.

A free nation's avarice is always the best tool to use against it. And it is what happens when industry is the largest political contributor. One mind set has been that if you educate your enemies you open them up to ideas and create a better world. Another mind set is if you educate your enemies you make stronger enemies and weaken your advantages. One mindset is hopeful and the other mindset is practical. It's just a matter of which you believe. The problem is you may be betting your life on wishful thinking.

I'll take our problem of "too many people want to come here" over China's problem of "too many people want to get away from here" any day. China is serving it's purpose pretty well these days though, we tend to do better as a country when we have a common enemy to rally against. They're dangerous-enough to be that common enemy, but not dangerous enough to turn the entire continent into a smoking ember like the fun and relaxing days we all remember and love from the height of the Cold War.

To respond to Gitanole above, I've had good friends in my life from 6 of the 9 non-US countries he listed there. I wonder how many people in any of those countries has a friend from even one other on that list? One of the strengths of our "educational system" is that it's so dispersed and doesn't have anyone in control. So, if Harvard, Stanford, Duke and Texas all introduce stupid enrollment rules that harm them long term, the country will still be fine b/c Yale, Northwestern, Cal and A&M will have quite different policies, thus significantly increasing our overall chances as a country of offering the "right" experience for more people. And Michigan, Dartmouth, Washington and Rice will be different from all of the above, and each other.
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(02-27-2024 09:10 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  
(02-27-2024 07:50 PM)b2b Wrote:  
(02-26-2024 10:58 PM)bullet Wrote:  And the drop seems to be coming really soon. 2025 is 18 years from the 2007 dropoff in birth rates. And as the article mentions, Chinese international enrollment is dropping. Its not just due to relations between the countries, but also due to the remarkable growth of research universities in China. There are good options at home now. I would expect that to be a long term decline. And, of course, China also has its own baby bust coming.
Good. Stay there and they'll have their own set of problems. Sounds like a win win for us. Regarding American higher education, a lot of HS kids have figured out that much of the "must go to uni" mindset was a scam and created millions of debt slaves. If you're not majoring in healthcare, engineering or some other marketable STEM field chances are pretty high you're wasting your time and money in uni.

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I never once directly applied my degree, but it also helped me achieve all of the success I've had in life. I met my wife in school (though we didn't start dating until years later). I got my first job with what ended up being the only person I ever worked for straight out of school b/c he recruited at A&M. I would be bitterly disappointed if my daughters passed on college. It is expensive, but, like anything else, you get rewards out of it based at least partly upon what you put into it. I think that for a reasonably intelligent kid, say top 50% in hs class, the long term rewards are greater to attend college for the same amount of effort, but skipping college and going straight to trade school will give him more money sooner.

I'd argue that for the average American going into trade school is a better long term investment considering you end up w/ significantly less debt and can start contributing to your retirement 4-5 years earlier. In the long term that becomes a HUGE difference. The exception is high salary, high demand 4 year degrees.
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The reason why the other schools outside the P2 grew so fast in the first place is because it was easier for people to get into them than they are with the top notch schools that are AAU or the high Rs. They will have an alumni base much larger than them in the future like UCF, Northern Arizona, the Cal State system, USF etc. You just can't ignore them as either.
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(02-28-2024 12:59 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  
(02-28-2024 12:42 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-28-2024 11:33 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  
(02-26-2024 10:58 PM)bullet Wrote:  And the drop seems to be coming really soon. 2025 is 18 years from the 2007 dropoff in birth rates. And as the article mentions, Chinese international enrollment is dropping. Its not just due to relations between the countries, but also due to the remarkable growth of research universities in China. There are good options at home now. I would expect that to be a long term decline. And, of course, China also has its own baby bust coming.

China had its own baby bust built into the system as a matter of policy for decades. India is set to surpass China as the world's most populous country any day now.

New universities sprouting in China do not have a huge impact on the enrolment of international students elsewhere. True, China leaders are concerned to keep more of the country's brains at home (this is actually one goal of its space program). China's best and brightest for the most part still want out. For every Chinese national enrolled in university in Europe or North America, scores and even hundreds wanted that same spot.

Of the Chinese nationals who graduate with advanced degrees from American universities, a very high percentage intend to remain in the States—even though most are still the only children in their Chinese families.

Of course, populous countries exist besides China. India, as noted, is about to take the world lead in population. Have you seen the population figures for Indonesia, Pakistan, and Nigeria? These countries are huge.

US Census Bureau projection as of midsummer 2024
1. China 1,416,043,270
2. India 1,409,128,296
3. United States 336,673,595
4. Indonesia 281,562,465
5. Pakistan 252,363,571
6. Nigeria 236,747,130
7. Brazil 220,051,512
8. Bangladesh 168,697,184
9. Russia 140,820,810
10. Mexico 130,739,927

It remains true today as it has for years: there is no shortage of students internationally who would welcome an opportunity to study in the US. The main thing for the US is not to take this advantage for granted and blow it.

Post Graduate work remains a key access to the learning and taking of innovation from other nations. It reminds of the heady days of the Third Reich when German students studied all over Europe, particularly England and spent a great deal of time riding bicycles all over the country. After the war it was discovered that those bicycle trips were to create hand written maps with key details for military installations and industries, and food and water reserves.

A free nation's avarice is always the best tool to use against it. And it is what happens when industry is the largest political contributor. One mind set has been that if you educate your enemies you open them up to ideas and create a better world. Another mind set is if you educate your enemies you make stronger enemies and weaken your advantages. One mindset is hopeful and the other mindset is practical. It's just a matter of which you believe. The problem is you may be betting your life on wishful thinking.

I'll take our problem of "too many people want to come here" over China's problem of "too many people want to get away from here" any day. China is serving it's purpose pretty well these days though, we tend to do better as a country when we have a common enemy to rally against. They're dangerous-enough to be that common enemy, but not dangerous enough to turn the entire continent into a smoking ember like the fun and relaxing days we all remember and love from the height of the Cold War.

You presented it as a one-way issue. A mistake made by the left and right. It's aways a 2 way issue. There are always pros and cons, risks and rewards. I'm just saying our ability to decide which is greater at a given time has been compromised by greed and therefore our evaluator is broken. When you lose your ability to discern you are always more vulnerable, even more so than during the cold war where mutual suspicion led to mutual verification. Having lived through both, something you haven't done, and having done so in a family directly involved, I'll proffer that blissful ignorance disguised as optimism is far more dangerous than constant suspicion. Nobody wants to use nukes, our enemies don't because the U.S.A. has something they all want, large supplies of potable water amid other abundant natural resources. The new game isn't mushroom clouds it's control of communications and navigation systems and that is acquired by the ability to knock out your opposition's satellites. China successfully tested their microwave weapon against a satellite a couple of weeks ago. That advances their timeline of military operations by a decade. It's always at least a two way street. Education of foreign students has great rewards here and abroad, but it also carries inherent risks, and realignment/consolidation will be looked back upon one day as a defense strategy against hard times in which everyone who looked at the demographics knew what was coming and was scheming to avoid. This time change is in preparation for what the world is facing and not just football or isolated parts of the economy.

WWI led to WWII because of a harsh armistice and reparations. WWII ended with the rebuilding of the adversaries and the prosperity the resulting global baby boom brought to more capitalist systems, and the military industrial complex stayed viable because of proxy wars as superpowers angled for control over nations which either were an attempt by one geopolitical side to extend its boundaries or over access to minerals essential for industry or weapons. The unintended consequence of WWII was the Baby Boom, and now artificial means of keeping that going have played out. When we Boomers are gone those who bank on constant growth are going to lose big time. Systems will collapse.

The sad thing is it should be a new world of opportunities as leverage tips to those with skills needed and growth can be organic again with more resources available to fewer people which should reduce stress upon the planet and public. It's the transition that will be dangerous. Some hold onto power by buying up resources and stonewalling competing industries and some see an opportunity to take. How the transition is handled will determine whether there is broad or regionalized conflict, and those in control of space based communications and weapons systems will be the new supreme power. Making sure that power isn't hegemonic or racist will be the imperative. China's history regarding race is rather alarming.

I suppose the utopian goal for humanity moving forward is to find a way to invest its resources and efforts in working together to manage the planet more effectively and when it takes to space, if it does, to do so as one coordinated effort. I would hope this would not be the result of one government but of many working together. Competition does spur creativity. Like I said, utopian, but shouldn't our dreams always be our goals?
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Ran across this for Georgia. Among the interesting stats, the whole system is 56.3% female, ranging from 74.5% female at Albany St. to 56.7% at East Georgia St. College to the two outliers with engineering schools-Kennesaw St. at 50.6% and Georgia Tech at 32.6%.

College--number of in state--out of state--foreign--total
Georgia Tech 14,082--19,176--14,703--47,961
Georgia 32,281--6,986--2,348--41,615
Georgia St. 43,146--3,474--3,901--50,521
Kennesaw St. 42,085--1,440--1,627--45,152
Georgia Southern 22,638--2,869--599--26,106
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(02-28-2024 01:26 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The reason why the other schools outside the P2 grew so fast in the first place is because it was easier for people to get into them than they are with the top notch schools that are AAU or the high Rs. They will have an alumni base much larger than them in the future like UCF, Northern Arizona, the Cal State system, USF etc. You just can't ignore them as either.

The University of Kansas was admitted to the AAU in 1909, but it is only in the last dozen years or so (or so I have been led to believe) that the acceptance rate for in-state applicants has become significantly higher. Do not know if that is/has been intentional on the part of the university or was the result of efforts from a past chancellor.
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(03-01-2024 01:27 AM)EdwordL Wrote:  
(02-28-2024 01:26 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The reason why the other schools outside the P2 grew so fast in the first place is because it was easier for people to get into them than they are with the top notch schools that are AAU or the high Rs. They will have an alumni base much larger than them in the future like UCF, Northern Arizona, the Cal State system, USF etc. You just can't ignore them as either.

The University of Kansas was admitted to the AAU in 1909, but it is only in the last dozen years or so (or so I have been led to believe) that the acceptance rate for in-state applicants has become significantly higher. Do not know if that is/has been intentional on the part of the university or was the result of efforts from a past chancellor.

There's massive building going on across campuses in the SEC and I am told in other power conferences as well. They are all getting ready to help fund research endeavors with added enrollment at the undergraduate level. Therefore, admission standards will be lower but fail rates by the start of the Junior year of undergraduate likely higher if academic standards are to be maintained. In that regard it is not unlike the 60's and 70's where a school might take in 5,000 freshman and have a sophomore class of 3500 and Junior and Senior classes of 2500 each. The trick was to get to your junior year and get real professors instead of PHD students teaching core curriculum. Well amp that up on steroids as some undergraduate enrollments are going to nearly double.
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Speaking of education, here's the kind of publicity for a university that money can't buy.

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Interview with Tyler Owens, Texas Tech

https://twitter.com/brentsobleski/status...5142302759
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Here's a demographic detail worth mentioning: Millennials, now the most numerous generation, are set to become the wealthiest generation in world history.

Over the next 20 years millennials internationally stand to inherit wealth from their elders that is currently tied up in property. This could amount to 90 trillion dollars worth of increased wealth. The generation has already done a remarkable job of bettering itself economically during the pandemic. In the US the post-pandemic economic response has proven especially robust.

The wealth increase will mainly see millennials from affluent families growing more affluent (of course). Yet the next generation, the Zoomers or Z, appears likely to build on that and create much new wealth for itself thanks to new tech like AI generating new markets.

Significance for sports media? Many of the changes we are seeing can be viewed as a media industry positioning itself to serve advertising to these increasingly affluent millennial viewers even as it ekes out the last few nuggets to be earned from cable.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/personal...r-BB1jbWrZ
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