(02-26-2024 10:41 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  Back in the day, ECU was the team that got ODU into CUSA,

We've never forgiven them.

(02-26-2024 10:48 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(02-26-2024 10:41 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  Back in the day, ECU was the team that got ODU into CUSA,

We've never forgiven them.

Just kidding. Your overall point is exactly right. While you are in the conference you have to try to make it the best conference for you. But if you think you have a better offer you go.

And you maybe regret voting for the GOR.

If you just care about "sport competitiveness">>>>>>>>All metrics show CUSA is better than the MAC in FB and BB.

Now--officials also consider other factors.

Of course my opinion is to stay here.

Some good points as usual by chiefsfan.

I remember what a big deal the rivalry being reestablished in football going on two decades ago when I was an undergrad and knew Western as a basketball rival first and foremost.

I've long stood on the belief that whatever we do, wherever we go, we should do it together, but I have zero interest in the MAC, just as I did the two or three other times the idea of MT/WKU to the MAC had been floated. If the time has come for us to cease being conference mates once again with rumors of WKU to the MAC then so be it. I hope we continue to play OOC in all sports, but I've been outspoken in my cynicism over the future of G5 athletics in general for some time now and the loss of the rivalry wouldn't affect me nearly as much as it would have five years ago, let alone ten.

(02-26-2024 10:41 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  

(02-26-2024 06:43 PM)Hilltop75 Wrote:  Anyone that heard the press conference
With the President from Delaware knows
That it was the WKU President along with
Judy that traveled to Delaware for a Sunday
Meeting to complete the deal. And word has
It that the WKU President is also lobbing Missouri State to join CUSA. So I highly doubt WKU would then bolt to the MAC

Back in the day, ECU was the team that got ODU into CUSA, just for them to peace before we even got in a football game with them. It's in WKU's best interest to get as many teams as they want in their current conference, but just cause they do that it doesn't preclude them from jumping to a different conference if they think the benefits are worth it.

WKU president is the chairman of the board after UNT left. That's why he was there with Judy.


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Cost for WKU to leave CUSA and join the MAC is about 4-5 million (estimate).

Two years worth of conference distributions (the departure fee), GOR, entrance fee.

The only revenue area where the MAC may bring in More revenue would be the Media Deal.

Even if it were $500,000 more a year---that's 8-10 years to break even.

Yes--this is a Simplified analysis. But where is the Big revenue incentive to switch leagues?

Exposure on ESPN? You are switching October weeknights for November weeknights.

Here’s some irony. Our inept administration saved wkcc from a poor knee jerk decision - probably just by dumb luck. And now we know they’ve been behind the scenes working to double down on that bad decision. You can’t fix stupid. wkcc fans will rue the day if this comes to fruition. It will be bad for their FB program. It will be even worse for their BB program. Ultimately it will be bad for their fan base. But whatever. You do you goattoppers.

(02-27-2024 06:14 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Here’s some irony. Our inept administration saved wkcc from a poor knee jerk decision - probably just by dumb luck. And now we know they’ve been behind the scenes working to double down on that bad decision. You can’t fix stupid. wkcc fans will rue the day if this comes to fruition. It will be bad for their FB program. It will be even worse for their BB program. Ultimately it will be bad for their fan base. But whatever. You do you goattoppers.

Lol. You're quite the Karen. All schools have been talking to other conferences. It's called being prepared. I'd expect any AD and/or President worth his or her salt would be doing the same.

Regardless, WKU isn't going anywhere. Knee jerk reactions to unsubstantiated rumors and speculation on message boards is a recipe for embarrassment...but I imagine you're used to that.

Given WKU has been on the losing end of surprise mass exoduses at least twice in the last 30 years, I hope our administration is talking with any and all available options...although it's fruitless.

(02-27-2024 01:25 AM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Cost for WKU to leave CUSA and join the MAC is about 4-5 million (estimate).

Two years worth of conference distributions (the departure fee), GOR, entrance fee.

The only revenue area where the MAC may bring in More revenue would be the Media Deal.

Even if it were $500,000 more a year---that's 8-10 years to break even.

Yes--this is a Simplified analysis. But where is the Big revenue incentive to switch leagues?

Exposure on ESPN? You are switching October weeknights for November weeknights.

The ESPN deal with the MAC is over in 2027 !!
You can bet that with the right add along with UMASS to be the 14th, that brokering a new deal could end up being substantially higher !!

(02-26-2024 09:34 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(02-26-2024 09:23 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(02-26-2024 09:03 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(02-26-2024 08:51 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(02-26-2024 06:52 PM)galojah Wrote:  *IF* WKU were to leave C-USA, I would prefer SBC over MAC.

Any team leaving a G5 league for another G5 league right now would need to be able to prove they can get a big increase on donations and ticket sales by doing so. I just can't be convinced that WKU is going to convince its fan base that it makes sense to trade in a trip to Jacksonville State on a Wednesday in October for Athens, OH on a Tuesday in November unless WKU fans just really don't want to be associated with recent FCS moveups.

Lol. Do you seriously believe fans traveling has any play in these decisions? Unless a rival is within an hour, we are talking, at best, a couple hundred fans traveling at the G5 level to a week night game. Heck, even Saturday games at the G5 level will never see more than 300 or 400 at most, and many of them are alums who live nearby.

True, I didn't think about the distance involved even with Jax State.

That's why you've always been one of my favorite SBC posters. You're honest and balanced. Instead of arguing, you admit when you may have missed something or were mistaken. We need more like you.

So true, I did a double take when I saw such a prompt acknowledgement of fault, and I see chief's posts all the time on our board. It must be very jarring to have a fan from another conference come in and post like that.

WKU belongs in the MAC. Real leadership that cares about basketball. Our leadership knows this is the path forward and I expect this to happen soon..CUSA has never been stable, if WKU does nothing we will be on a island with Tarleton, SFA and Icant Word. We do not need MTSU, rivarly is boring and dead. MAC Leadership>Judy.

(02-27-2024 09:07 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  WKU belongs in the MAC. Real leadership that cares about basketball. Our leadership knows this is the path forward and I expect this to happen soon..

What basketball programs are in the MAC. I swear if u guys end up in that bottom feeder conference then you deserve everything u get. Mac football is atrocious.

(02-27-2024 07:43 AM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(02-27-2024 01:25 AM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Cost for WKU to leave CUSA and join the MAC is about 4-5 million (estimate).

Two years worth of conference distributions (the departure fee), GOR, entrance fee.

The only revenue area where the MAC may bring in More revenue would be the Media Deal.

Even if it were $500,000 more a year---that's 8-10 years to break even.

Yes--this is a Simplified analysis. But where is the Big revenue incentive to switch leagues?

Exposure on ESPN? You are switching October weeknights for November weeknights.

The ESPN deal with the MAC is over in 2027 !!
You can bet that with the right add along with UMASS to be the 14th, that brokering a new deal could end up being substantially higher !!

Is UMASS really bringing in any extra value? I like their fans and I don’t mind the school but they’ve been one of the worst FBS programs for their entire FBS existence. I can’t imagine ESPN is throwing massive money for their addition.

(02-26-2024 06:43 PM)Hilltop75 Wrote:  Anyone that heard the press conference
With the President from Delaware knows
That it was the WKU President along with
Judy that traveled to Delaware for a Sunday
Meeting to complete the deal. And word has
It that the WKU President is also lobbing Missouri State to join CUSA. So I highly doubt WKU would then bolt to the MAC

Glad they are not utilizing the McPhee Tennessee State president. He'd blow the deal.

(02-26-2024 10:48 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(02-26-2024 10:41 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  Back in the day, ECU was the team that got ODU into CUSA,

We've never forgiven them.

An MT fan is one to talk, but......... ODU fans have to be miserable in last place in a conference that does not a priority on men's hoops.

(02-27-2024 09:19 AM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(02-27-2024 07:43 AM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(02-27-2024 01:25 AM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Cost for WKU to leave CUSA and join the MAC is about 4-5 million (estimate).

Two years worth of conference distributions (the departure fee), GOR, entrance fee.

The only revenue area where the MAC may bring in More revenue would be the Media Deal.

Even if it were $500,000 more a year---that's 8-10 years to break even.

Yes--this is a Simplified analysis. But where is the Big revenue incentive to switch leagues?

Exposure on ESPN? You are switching October weeknights for November weeknights.

The ESPN deal with the MAC is over in 2027 !!
You can bet that with the right add along with UMASS to be the 14th, that brokering a new deal could end up being substantially higher !!

Is UMASS really bringing in any extra value? I like their fans and I don’t mind the school but they’ve been one of the worst FBS programs for their entire FBS existence. I can’t imagine ESPN is throwing massive money for their addition.

UMASS football is on the upswing !!
Last year knocking off a pretty good NMSU team to start the season, then Army later on …

(02-26-2024 11:46 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  I remember what a big deal the rivalry being reestablished in football going on two decades ago when I was an undergrad and knew Western as a basketball rival first and foremost.

I've long stood on the belief that whatever we do, wherever we go, we should do it together, but I have zero interest in the MAC, just as I did the two or three other times the idea of MT/WKU to the MAC had been floated. If the time has come for us to cease being conference mates once again has come with rumors of WKU to the MAC than so be it. I hope we continue to play OOC in all sports, but I've been outspoken in my cynicism over the future of G5 athletics in general for some time now and the loss of the rivalry wouldn't affect me nearly as much as it would have five years ago, let alone ten.

I think MT & WKU wield much more power together than we do individually. WKU moving will put both of us on an island.

On the other hand, half of the MAC teams' fans probably now reside within a decent radius of Nashville. Rust Belt moving here in droves.

(02-27-2024 09:19 AM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(02-27-2024 07:43 AM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(02-27-2024 01:25 AM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Cost for WKU to leave CUSA and join the MAC is about 4-5 million (estimate).

Two years worth of conference distributions (the departure fee), GOR, entrance fee.

The only revenue area where the MAC may bring in More revenue would be the Media Deal.

Even if it were $500,000 more a year---that's 8-10 years to break even.

Yes--this is a Simplified analysis. But where is the Big revenue incentive to switch leagues?

Exposure on ESPN? You are switching October weeknights for November weeknights.

The ESPN deal with the MAC is over in 2027 !!
You can bet that with the right add along with UMASS to be the 14th, that brokering a new deal could end up being substantially higher !!

Is UMASS really bringing in any extra value? I like their fans and I don’t mind the school but they’ve been one of the worst FBS programs for their entire FBS existence. I can’t imagine ESPN is throwing massive money for their addition.

It is not going to be massive money but it will be more money. More money is better than less money. That is why the MAC TV contract will probably be quite a bit better than CUSA along with adding Western Kentucky. They are providing ESPN with a better product.

(02-27-2024 09:07 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  WKU belongs in the MAC. Real leadership that cares about basketball. Our leadership knows this is the path forward and I expect this to happen soon..CUSA has never been stable, if WKU does nothing we will be on a island with Tarleton, SFA and Icant Word. We do not need MTSU, rivarly is boring and dead. MAC Leadership>Judy.

But is it ?

(02-27-2024 09:43 AM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  

(02-27-2024 09:07 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  WKU belongs in the MAC. Real leadership that cares about basketball. Our leadership knows this is the path forward and I expect this to happen soon..CUSA has never been stable, if WKU does nothing we will be on a island with Tarleton, SFA and Icant Word. We do not need MTSU, rivarly is boring and dead. MAC Leadership>Judy.

But is it ?

If there is anything i have learned n college football, it is that rivalries do not exist. Once you go a year without playing, nobody cares if you ever play again and neither school is going to want to touch that game except once every 10 or 20 years.