there are a lot of reasons why i like high school basketball more than any other level of basketball right now. it helps that our school is good and doesn't choke away every big game they play. we'll never compete with philly or district 1 schools...but we're fun to watch against competition out here in the midstate.

i actually really like that there's no shot clock. it adds strategy to the game. exeter was slowly taking over the game last night in the 3rd quarter. mechanicsburg got the ball with about 90 seconds left and held it until about 20 second left in the quarter. our guard drove to the basket to draw a foul and hit the two free throws. we accomplished 3 things: kept them from scoring, took the lead back by getting points of our own, and got the 3rd foul on the other team's leading scorer.

deciding whether to hold the ball in those situations vs attack is really interesting.

the best thing it does is get basketball back to fundamentals. if the other team decides to come out and defend instead of just letting the opposing point guard stand there...which i'm not an advocate of and there would have to be rules about that...ball handling and passing become really important. you also have time to run an offense. if the first play doesn't work then you run another one.

this is basketball. everybody wants to be entertained with offense these days and it has ruined basketball more than any other sport. drexel would probably be undefeated if we could run clock...assuming spiker is smart enough to do it which might be a big assumption.

(02-23-2024 07:19 AM)hiroshimacarp Wrote:  there are a lot of reasons why i like high school basketball more than any other level of basketball right now. it helps that our school is good and doesn't choke away every big game they play. we'll never compete with philly or district 1 schools...but we're fun to watch against competition out here in the midstate.

i actually really like that there's no shot clock. it adds strategy to the game. exeter was slowly taking over the game last night in the 3rd quarter. mechanicsburg got the ball with about 90 seconds left and held it until about 20 second left in the quarter. our guard drove to the basket to draw a foul and hit the two free throws. we accomplished 3 things: kept them from scoring, took the lead back by getting points of our own, and got the 3rd foul on the other team's leading scorer.

deciding whether to hold the ball in those situations vs attack is really interesting.

the best thing it does is get basketball back to fundamentals. if the other team decides to come out and defend instead of just letting the opposing point guard stand there...which i'm not an advocate of and there would have to be rules about that...ball handling and passing become really important. you also have time to run an offense. if the first play doesn't work then you run another one.

this is basketball. everybody wants to be entertained with offense these days and it has ruined basketball more than any other sport. drexel would probably be undefeated if we could run clock...assuming spiker is smart enough to do it which might be a big assumption.

It won't happen post the Nova Championship from years ago. Teams will just eat up the entire game clock and scores will be alot lower like 40-45 scores.

Yeah, it will never happen. Now that we have sabermetrics, if you eliminate the shot clock, games like when Tennessee beat Temple 11-6 would become very common.

I did prefer the 45 second shot clock, which they had when I started following college basketball. But the game is ruled by the Power 6 these days, and the stronger conferences want a faster game, not a slower game. They don't want to give the mid and lower conferences any advantage to help beat their precious power squads.

Here's a link to a story about the 11-6 final from 51 years ago.

https://www.coleyharvey.com/blog/day-tem...black-hole

FYI it wont be long before all high schools have a shot clock so enjoy it now while some dont. I am more in line with JB, that 40 or 45 seconds is fine. Any tighter and teams can be rushed. No shot clock allows for stall ball, which nobody wants to see. That style is not good for anyone or the game. Indiana still is no shot clock, but I expect that to change in the next few years because of stall ball. Lesser team gets a lead then stop playing. Everybody is trying to become professional so its not about the game vs about showcasing their talents (thanks AAU). I dont see this changing.

A few years ago, I watched the 1985 Villanova title game. I believe it was the last DI men's game to have no shot clock.

It was strange and did not make me pine for those days. Watching them run four corners was actually pretty awful actually.

If you want to fix the end of basketball games, go with something like the Elam ending. That I would support.

(02-23-2024 09:36 AM)JonP Wrote:  A few years ago, I watched the 1985 Villanova title game. I believe it was the last DI men's game to have no shot clock.

It was strange and did not make me pine for those days. Watching them run four corners was actually pretty awful actually.

If you want to fix the end of basketball games, go with something like the Elam ending. That I would support.

I was referring to this game. The only reason they won was it was a slow long drawn out possession game with no shotclock.