(02-21-2024 06:56 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-21-2024 06:48 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  They will keep the byes or noone will play their championship game. The champ game losers are playing an extra game currently. So you move the playoff selection to the last week of the season. The top 4 champs and the top 4 losers. Then you have the highest G5 (they also played an extra game).

You add some wildcard games around conference championship weekend.

This makes sure teams aren't sandbagging in championship games, that the championship game losers like UGA aren't going up against a rested team after losing a close one. It makes conference races meaningful. Also keeps interest for everyone else later into the season.

This is the formula March Madness uses...you have spots earned through tournaments, spots given based on a commitee, and access to the "underdog".

they aren't going to kill the CCG. Way too much money involved. There's not going to be stupid ass wild card games on CCG weekend. That divides the attention way too much- and devalues the CCG. SEC and Big Ten aren't going for that at all.

Doing away with byes will kill the championship game.

It doesn't matter when you schedule the wildcard games but they're going to consist of teams not in a championship game.

(02-21-2024 06:28 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  I don't understand why 8 conferences would lie down and accept 4 auto-bids each for the SEC and Big Ten.

And if the answer is "because the SEC and Big Ten would leave if we don't pass it", let them leave. Seriously. That playoff sounds boring.

You answered your own question.

If anyone, XII/ACC/G5 wanted to self relegate themselves, they’d call the P2’s bluff.

There’s an all inclusive, madcap postseason tournament with a championship in Frisco for anyone that wants to gripe about the reality that there are two 1,000 pound gorillas. App could probably get back in the SoCon if that’s your preference.

(02-21-2024 07:00 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(02-21-2024 06:56 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-21-2024 06:48 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  They will keep the byes or noone will play their championship game. The champ game losers are playing an extra game currently. So you move the playoff selection to the last week of the season. The top 4 champs and the top 4 losers. Then you have the highest G5 (they also played an extra game).

You add some wildcard games around conference championship weekend.

This makes sure teams aren't sandbagging in championship games, that the championship game losers like UGA aren't going up against a rested team after losing a close one. It makes conference races meaningful. Also keeps interest for everyone else later into the season.

This is the formula March Madness uses...you have spots earned through tournaments, spots given based on a commitee, and access to the "underdog".

they aren't going to kill the CCG. Way too much money involved. There's not going to be stupid ass wild card games on CCG weekend. That divides the attention way too much- and devalues the CCG. SEC and Big Ten aren't going for that at all.

Doing away with byes will kill the championship game.

It doesn't matter when you schedule the wildcard games but they're going to consist of teams not in a championship game.

The CCG are still going to happen. And that's going to be the only games going on that weekend. The bracket gets set after that.

So, SEC and B1G Champions gets a bye.

Six more B1G and SEC schools get automatic berths.

With 12 you have 4 more berths, presumably Big 12, ACC and best G5 campions, plus one (1) truly at-large.
With 14 you add two more truly at-large for three total. With 16 you add four more, for five (5) truly at-large.

I cannot see the SEC or B1G giving up the extra value of the Rose Bowl and Sugar Bowl, plus the incentive value of winning the CCG with the assured date. Also, 12 or 14 avoids the threat of a shutout in the opening week, guaranteeing one SEC and B1G school at least at left in the quarterfinals. These things rules out 16 IMO.

12 is difficult to see accepted, as you only have one at-large, unless you remove the G5 access --which you cannot do politically, as you need the G5 votes-- or remove the Big 12 and ACC champion berth, which is also problematic. Notre Dame won't be happy competing for a single slot, nor would the ACC be happy with that. At 14 you get 3 truly at-large, which likely make Notre Dame much happier, and also gives the ACC and Big 12 more access, as they should compete for at least one of those every year.

IMO 14 is probably the sweet number if the BIG and SEC get 4 automatic berths.

(02-21-2024 07:03 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-21-2024 07:00 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(02-21-2024 06:56 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-21-2024 06:48 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  They will keep the byes or noone will play their championship game. The champ game losers are playing an extra game currently. So you move the playoff selection to the last week of the season. The top 4 champs and the top 4 losers. Then you have the highest G5 (they also played an extra game).

You add some wildcard games around conference championship weekend.

This makes sure teams aren't sandbagging in championship games, that the championship game losers like UGA aren't going up against a rested team after losing a close one. It makes conference races meaningful. Also keeps interest for everyone else later into the season.

This is the formula March Madness uses...you have spots earned through tournaments, spots given based on a commitee, and access to the "underdog".

they aren't going to kill the CCG. Way too much money involved. There's not going to be stupid ass wild card games on CCG weekend. That divides the attention way too much- and devalues the CCG. SEC and Big Ten aren't going for that at all.

Doing away with byes will kill the championship game.

It doesn't matter when you schedule the wildcard games but they're going to consist of teams not in a championship game.

The CCG are still going to happen. And that's going to be the only games going on that weekend. The bracket gets set after that.

I don't think UGA that just barely lost to Bama us wanting to go against OSU that skipped out on a ccg. I bet they make it so at-large teams not in ccgs have to play in.

I wonder if they’ll compromise at 4+1+9 with the top-2 conference champs getting autobids.

B1G/SEC get another 2 at-large slots to get more teams in while not losing the “get a bye” stakes of CCGs (or B1G/SEC just force an auto-bye for their champs instead of leaving it up to chance).

(02-21-2024 06:59 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-21-2024 06:16 PM)otown Wrote:  Gonna go on record and say there is no way on GODs green Earth that the SEC/B1G will wind up with 4 auto qualifiers each year. Now if universal metrics were reached, sure I can easily see either conference having 4, but doubtful it would happen every year. But automatic for 4 from each conference, not gonna happen.

I get that initial reaction—-but the SEC/Big10 hold so much leverage after the current deal expires—-they may very well have the ability to dictate terms that harsh. If they do it, I think we may see a 16 team playoff that throws everyone else a bone.

While I'd love to have 4 autobids, I think that people are overestimating our influence here. We COULD split off with the B1G and form a new separate league, but that's not our first, 2nd or 3rd choice, and the only way that we'd get 4 autobids would be if we threatened to leave everyone else behind.

(02-21-2024 07:11 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(02-21-2024 07:03 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-21-2024 07:00 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(02-21-2024 06:56 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-21-2024 06:48 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  They will keep the byes or noone will play their championship game. The champ game losers are playing an extra game currently. So you move the playoff selection to the last week of the season. The top 4 champs and the top 4 losers. Then you have the highest G5 (they also played an extra game).

You add some wildcard games around conference championship weekend.

This makes sure teams aren't sandbagging in championship games, that the championship game losers like UGA aren't going up against a rested team after losing a close one. It makes conference races meaningful. Also keeps interest for everyone else later into the season.

This is the formula March Madness uses...you have spots earned through tournaments, spots given based on a commitee, and access to the "underdog".

they aren't going to kill the CCG. Way too much money involved. There's not going to be stupid ass wild card games on CCG weekend. That divides the attention way too much- and devalues the CCG. SEC and Big Ten aren't going for that at all.

Doing away with byes will kill the championship game.

It doesn't matter when you schedule the wildcard games but they're going to consist of teams not in a championship game.

The CCG are still going to happen. And that's going to be the only games going on that weekend. The bracket gets set after that.

I don't think UGA that just barely lost to Bama us wanting to go against OSU that skipped out on a ccg. I bet they make it so at-large teams not in ccgs have to play in.

yeah just not seeing that at all. Georgia would have been seeded ahead of Ohio St regardless- just like the final CFP ratings had it. .

Meanwhile the conferences don't want to lose all the money. And yes that's SEC and Big Ten.

I think you're saying a whole hell of a lot of hope, and not reality. so the ACC has a **** ass CCG. SEC doesn't give a ****.

(02-21-2024 06:16 PM)otown Wrote:  Gonna go on record and say there is no way on GODs green Earth that the SEC/B1G will wind up with 4 auto qualifiers each year. Now if universal metrics were reached, sure I can easily see either conference having 4, but doubtful it would happen every year. But automatic for 4 from each conference, not gonna happen.

CFP measures best schedule. SEC/B1G will be far ahead of everyone else the way the powers that be look at it.

By guaranteeing 4 each year that could add 1 below the Top 14 or bump a 5th best B1G team out which is ranked up in the Top 14.

The 4 autobid designation is going to be a huge recruiting advantage for the P2.

(02-21-2024 07:36 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-21-2024 07:11 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(02-21-2024 07:03 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-21-2024 07:00 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(02-21-2024 06:56 PM)stever20 Wrote:  they aren't going to kill the CCG. Way too much money involved. There's not going to be stupid ass wild card games on CCG weekend. That divides the attention way too much- and devalues the CCG. SEC and Big Ten aren't going for that at all.

Doing away with byes will kill the championship game.

It doesn't matter when you schedule the wildcard games but they're going to consist of teams not in a championship game.

The CCG are still going to happen. And that's going to be the only games going on that weekend. The bracket gets set after that.

I don't think UGA that just barely lost to Bama us wanting to go against OSU that skipped out on a ccg. I bet they make it so at-large teams not in ccgs have to play in.

yeah just not seeing that at all. Georgia would have been seeded ahead of Ohio St regardless- just like the final CFP ratings had it. .

Meanwhile the conferences don't want to lose all the money. And yes that's SEC and Big Ten.

I think you're saying a whole hell of a lot of hope, and not reality. so the ACC has a **** ass CCG. SEC doesn't give a ****.

Why are you so angry?

Somewhere along the line everyone forgot that there was a big debate amongst the schools about the number of games played.

The only way it makes sense is to add games for teams that haven't played a 13th game.

(02-21-2024 07:49 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(02-21-2024 07:36 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-21-2024 07:11 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(02-21-2024 07:03 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-21-2024 07:00 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  Doing away with byes will kill the championship game.

It doesn't matter when you schedule the wildcard games but they're going to consist of teams not in a championship game.

The CCG are still going to happen. And that's going to be the only games going on that weekend. The bracket gets set after that.

I don't think UGA that just barely lost to Bama us wanting to go against OSU that skipped out on a ccg. I bet they make it so at-large teams not in ccgs have to play in.

yeah just not seeing that at all. Georgia would have been seeded ahead of Ohio St regardless- just like the final CFP ratings had it. .

Meanwhile the conferences don't want to lose all the money. And yes that's SEC and Big Ten.

I think you're saying a whole hell of a lot of hope, and not reality. so the ACC has a **** ass CCG. SEC doesn't give a ****.

Why are you so angry?

Somewhere along the line everyone forgot that there was a big debate amongst the schools about the number of games played.

The only way it makes sense is to add games for teams that haven't played a 13th game.

You have to earn that 13th game. They aren't going to force a team who is say 11th to win a game vs say 18th to make the playoffs. No, that 11th place team would be in the playoffs and would be playing soon after that.

(02-21-2024 07:01 PM)Just Joe Wrote:  

(02-21-2024 06:28 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  I don't understand why 8 conferences would lie down and accept 4 auto-bids each for the SEC and Big Ten.

And if the answer is "because the SEC and Big Ten would leave if we don't pass it", let them leave. Seriously. That playoff sounds boring.

You answered your own question.

If anyone, XII/ACC/G5 wanted to self relegate themselves, they’d call the P2’s bluff.

There’s an all inclusive, madcap postseason tournament with a championship in Frisco for anyone that wants to gripe about the reality that there are two 1,000 pound gorillas. App could probably get back in the SoCon if that’s your preference.

There's a difference between being stuck with Marshall & ECU vs. being stuck with Furman & Samford.

You all are overestimating what the SEC/B1G are willing to do. Sure, they may have a history of strong arming G5 conferences and schools with low profiles and newly minted FBS teams. However, those schools are mainly smaller schools. The bridge too far is trying to strong arm very politically powerful schools, both large academic state flagships that are found in the Big 12 and ACC.

Guys, time to chill out a little here with the crazy talk of the SEC/B1G figuring out a way to get 4 autobids each while giving only 1 or none at all to the the Big12/ACC.

Gonna go on record again.....ain't gonna happen. These are peer academic institutions of the same prestige and political power.

(02-21-2024 07:04 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  I cannot see the SEC or B1G giving up the extra value of the Rose Bowl and Sugar Bowl

What extra value?

The bowls are a quaint reminder of bygone days and nothing more. They collectively need to either reinvent themselves as Labor Day weekend "kickoff classics" or whither on the vine.

The CFP can bring Prudential and Allstate aboard as sponsors and cut out the middle men in Pasadena and New Orleans.

Let teams that earned a good seed in the regular season enjoy all the benefits that come with a home playoff game.

Don't force fans — and especially students — to potentially deal with the hassle and expense of travel and accommodations for the quarterfinals AND semifinals in addition to a championship game which should and will be at a predetermined site

(02-21-2024 06:28 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  I don't understand why 8 conferences would lie down and accept 4 auto-bids each for the SEC and Big Ten.

And if the answer is "because the SEC and Big Ten would leave if we don't pass it", let them leave. Seriously. That playoff sounds boring.

I'd prefer to see a deserving G5 team (or, even better, teams) in a (greatly) expanded Division I-A playoff.

But a G5-only playoff would be terrific, too, especially if/when the traditionally successful programs remaining in I-AA moved up to take part.

a G5-only playoff is pointless, no one would pay attention, and it's a waste to fund 85 scholarships to compete at a slightly better Division 1 level.

just drop down to 63 and play for the FCS title.

(02-21-2024 05:57 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

I'm having trouble digesting this one. I don't think the Big Ten brain trust has thought this through at all.

The CFP is not seeing a ton of interest in the first-round games as it is, with three on the third Saturday of December and one on the Friday night before.

A 14 team bracket means 6 first-round games. Fitting in 6 games, either you go up against Amazon Thursday Night football and play one game in the late-night window, plus the Friday and Saturday-noon SAturday-afternoon and Saturday primetime games. Or you cannibalize your audience hoping for some sort of synergy, maybe kicking off at 11:00, 1:00, 3:00, 5:00, 7:00, 9:00 Eastern. on two (or more?) different networks.

(02-21-2024 08:26 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-21-2024 05:57 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

I'm having trouble digesting this one. I don't think the Big Ten brain trust has thought this through at all.

The CFP is not seeing a ton of interest in the first-round games as it is, with three on the third Saturday of December and one on the Friday night before.

A 14 team bracket means 6 first-round games. Fitting in 6 games, either you go up against Amazon Thursday Night football and play one game in the late-night window, plus the Friday and Saturday-noon SAturday-afternoon and Saturday primetime games. Or you cannibalize your audience hoping for some sort of synergy, maybe kicking off at 11:00, 1:00, 3:00, 5:00, 7:00, 9:00 Eastern. on two (or more?) different networks.

If Disney wins the whole bidding, I guess the plan would be:

1) Fri Night ESPN
2) 12e ABC
3) 2e ESPN
4) 4e ABC
5) 6e ESPN
6) 8e ABC
7) 10e ESPN

(02-21-2024 08:24 PM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  

Exactly what I was saying. The Big 12 and ACC are not being hung out to dry like many on this forum fantasize about. Their institutions are too politically powerful. If there are multiple auto qualifiers per conference being discussed, all 4 power conferences will be a part of it. The G5 is being hung out to dry with 1 singular spot in all different scenarios discussed.......that is the big news here.