(04-19-2024 12:31 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote: (04-19-2024 08:28 AM)esayem Wrote: (04-18-2024 10:26 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote: JR has some understandable discussion points on the topic of NC St, but most of the North Carolina posters give some version of "but our state is different/better and the SEC has to bend to our will on NC St or they'll never get UNC". Texas didn't get to bring Texas Tech. OU didn't get to bring Ok St. I just can't fathom a "small expansion" scenario today of 2-4 teams in which either the SEC or B1G would want to bring in programs at the Texas Tech/OK St level, and despite what the North Carolina posters believe, the SEC is not so anxious to add UNC that we'll allow them to dictate terms to us.
LOL no this is in your head. We’ve laid it out pretty clearly.
Carolina doesn’t have the football crazy fanbase of Texas or Oklahoma. So in order to get the sheer volume of football fans in NC to even approach Texas/Oklahoma, the SEC would need both Carolina and State. Carolina + State approaches Texas rather than Carolina = Texas, and State = Texas Tech. Make sense?
Also, nobody here is clamoring to get into your foster home. Also in your head.
The unique aspect of NC is the UNC system which includes both Carolina and State. OU and OK State are governed by different entities, same with Texas and Texas Tech. Carolina and State are overseen by the Board of Governors, which is heavily influenced by both schools. It’s essentially a stalemate.
You do realize that your argument doesn't support UNC's candidacy, but rather is an argument against it?
Ultimately, the State schools in both North Carolina and Texas are controlled by their legislatures. A&M was blocked from joining the SEC in 1990 by our Legislature. A&M and Texas were forced to bring along little brothers Baylor and Texas Tech upon the formation of the Big 12 by our legislature. Texas pushed so hard for so long to include Texas Tech in any moves due to pressure from our legislature. Or do you think that it's just altruism, and the Admins at Texas don't care about money or success, but rather about taking care of Texas Tech? The only difference in NC is that there's one more entity in between the legislature and the BoT of the individual schools.
A&M and Texas jointly administer a PUF that is today valued at over $30b. Our legislature threatened to drastically reduce our shares in this fund over the years in order to coerce us to bring along various little brothers during our conference maneuvers. Our situations are, in the end, quite comparable. The only difference is that, according to you, UNC has so little football enthusiasm that they can't carry their own weight. Hmmmmm, I wonder if Sankey and Petitti know this?
As a diehard Carolina football fan since childhood, I have a realistic view of the program. The program can make the playoffs in the
ACC, no doubt in my mind. But throw a schedule of Tennessee, Georgia, Florida, or Penn State, Ohio State, and Wisconsin? Yeah, I’m going to have my doubts. What Mizzou did this past season was admirable beating superior programs Tennessee and Florida while losing to LSU and Georgia. I mean that season would be #goals in the SEC. But let’s be honest, that was a special season and they needed Florida to be down.
I’m comparing Carolina to Mizzou because I feel like they’d be the closest football peer program. Kentucky too. But consider UK and Mizzou still pack in their stadium with 61k and 62k fans while ours seats 50k and we can’t sell out a Notre Dame game. It’s just reality.
Legislation is not comparable state to state. Sorry, but you sound like the federal government lol Moving on.
The bottom line is the
ACC is the best fit for Carolina. How much does it cost to compete in the B18/SEC vs the
ACC? This is the first thing I’d need to know.
I do agree the SEC needs to think long term with their pro rata additions. That said, I don’t think there are any schools outside of Carolina, State, Clemson, and FSU and perhaps Kansas that have any sort of realistic chance. You keep talking about Virginia Tech, but that ain’t happening. They are not going anywhere and haven’t even flinched on doing what UVa tells them to do.
* re: Miami: the SEC doesn’t do pro stadiums, you should know this