(02-13-2024 06:55 PM)Rockchalkchihawk Wrote:  

(02-13-2024 06:52 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(02-13-2024 12:09 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  I would love to see how Calipari would do at Memphis on a second run. I remember that 1v2 Tennessee @ Memphis game with College Gameday there in late February 2008.

I wouldn't for the same reasons freshtop gave.

Nobody gets less out of more than Calipari in college basketball.

Josh Pastner? Tom Crean?

Also, Matt Doherty.

(02-13-2024 06:55 PM)Rockchalkchihawk Wrote:  

(02-13-2024 06:52 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(02-13-2024 12:09 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  I would love to see how Calipari would do at Memphis on a second run. I remember that 1v2 Tennessee @ Memphis game with College Gameday there in late February 2008.

I wouldn't for the same reasons freshtop gave.

Nobody gets less out of more than Calipari in college basketball.

I think y'all underestimate the difficulty of putting together a whole new team every year. It IS a team game.

(02-13-2024 07:02 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-13-2024 06:55 PM)Rockchalkchihawk Wrote:  

(02-13-2024 06:52 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(02-13-2024 12:09 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  I would love to see how Calipari would do at Memphis on a second run. I remember that 1v2 Tennessee @ Memphis game with College Gameday there in late February 2008.

I wouldn't for the same reasons freshtop gave.

Nobody gets less out of more than Calipari in college basketball.

I think y'all underestimate the difficulty of putting together a whole new team every year. It IS a team game.

I agree. It's also possible people overestimate and overstate the potential and value of these proverbial "one-and-done's." I'd say actual player evaluation is not something that the big schools have mastered. The portal has only made that worse. "Hey, he's doing great over there...let's bring him here!" That isn't skill.

(02-13-2024 07:08 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(02-13-2024 07:02 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-13-2024 06:55 PM)Rockchalkchihawk Wrote:  

(02-13-2024 06:52 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(02-13-2024 12:09 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  I would love to see how Calipari would do at Memphis on a second run. I remember that 1v2 Tennessee @ Memphis game with College Gameday there in late February 2008.

I wouldn't for the same reasons freshtop gave.

Nobody gets less out of more than Calipari in college basketball.

I think y'all underestimate the difficulty of putting together a whole new team every year. It IS a team game.

I agree. It's also possible people overestimate and overstate the potential and value of these proverbial "one-and-done's." I'd say actual player evaluation is not something that the big schools have mastered. The portal has only made that worse. "Hey, he's doing great over there...let's bring him here!" That isn't skill.

Now I do blame Cal for putting together teams that can win in the season, but because of inexperience don't win in March.

(02-13-2024 06:55 PM)Rockchalkchihawk Wrote:  

(02-13-2024 06:52 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(02-13-2024 12:09 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  I would love to see how Calipari would do at Memphis on a second run. I remember that 1v2 Tennessee @ Memphis game with College Gameday there in late February 2008.

I wouldn't for the same reasons freshtop gave.

Nobody gets less out of more than Calipari in college basketball.

It's kind of amazing. Like the 2014-15 season. All of that talent on one team and couldn't finish.

(02-13-2024 07:02 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-13-2024 06:55 PM)Rockchalkchihawk Wrote:  

(02-13-2024 06:52 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(02-13-2024 12:09 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  I would love to see how Calipari would do at Memphis on a second run. I remember that 1v2 Tennessee @ Memphis game with College Gameday there in late February 2008.

I wouldn't for the same reasons freshtop gave.

Nobody gets less out of more than Calipari in college basketball.

I think y'all underestimate the difficulty of putting together a whole new team every year. It IS a team game.

Nah, I've watched enough of Cal's coaching to know that's not the main problem.

in the age of NIL, the transfer portal and kids skipping college to play in the G-Leage or Overseas for immediate money Cal hasn't been able to load up on one-and-done five star kids at every position like he used to.

(02-13-2024 07:32 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(02-13-2024 06:55 PM)Rockchalkchihawk Wrote:  

(02-13-2024 06:52 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(02-13-2024 12:09 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  I would love to see how Calipari would do at Memphis on a second run. I remember that 1v2 Tennessee @ Memphis game with College Gameday there in late February 2008.

I wouldn't for the same reasons freshtop gave.

Nobody gets less out of more than Calipari in college basketball.

It's kind of amazing. Like the 2014-15 season. All of that talent on one team and couldn't finish.

They lost to a really good Wisconsin team filled with seniors and a dominant center.
In 2009-10 they had the best team (John Wall, etc.) but I knew they would bow out somewhere. They lived and died on the 3s and weren't a great FT shooting team and got cold and lost to an experienced WVU in the regional finals.

(02-13-2024 07:34 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(02-13-2024 07:02 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-13-2024 06:55 PM)Rockchalkchihawk Wrote:  

(02-13-2024 06:52 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(02-13-2024 12:09 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  I would love to see how Calipari would do at Memphis on a second run. I remember that 1v2 Tennessee @ Memphis game with College Gameday there in late February 2008.

I wouldn't for the same reasons freshtop gave.

Nobody gets less out of more than Calipari in college basketball.

I think y'all underestimate the difficulty of putting together a whole new team every year. It IS a team game.

Nah, I've watched enough of Cal's coaching to know that's not the main problem.

Lets see. In 9 years he had 1 of the 3 Memphis final 4s and 3 of the 6 times Memphis got as far as the elite 8. Sound like Texas fans complaining about Mack Brown who had an MNC, probably would have had a 2nd if Colt McCoy hadn't been injured in the 1st quarter and had the 2nd best winning % from 2000-2009 after Boise.

(02-13-2024 08:25 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-13-2024 07:32 PM)Alanda Wrote:  It's kind of amazing. Like the 2014-15 season. All of that talent on one team and couldn't finish.

They lost to a really good Wisconsin team filled with seniors and a dominant center.
In 2009-10 they had the best team (John Wall, etc.) but I knew they would bow out somewhere. They lived and died on the 3s and weren't a great FT shooting team and got cold and lost to an experienced WVU in the regional finals.

And that same senior-filled Wisconsin team lost to a freshman-filled Duke team. Looked like Coach K did a better job with arguably less talented freshmen. The 2009-10 season I would actually give him a pass since that was his first season at Kentucky.

(02-13-2024 08:36 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-13-2024 07:34 PM)Alanda Wrote:  Nah, I've watched enough of Cal's coaching to know that's not the main problem.

Lets see. In 9 years he had 1 of the 3 Memphis final 4s and 3 of the 6 times Memphis got as far as the elite 8. Sound like Texas fans complaining about Mack Brown who had an MNC, probably would have had a 2nd if Colt McCoy hadn't been injured in the 1st quarter and had the 2nd best winning % from 2000-2009 after Boise.

Yep. And if he was better at being able to implement a system he would have accomplished a lot more than that. Instead he had to rely on getting #1 draft picks to do as much as he did.

Cal's strength has always come from recruiting through WWW. WWW was the go between and was an "employee" of Calipari. WWW handled the business side of things. NIL ruined Cal's recruiting model.

(02-13-2024 06:41 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(02-13-2024 03:32 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  The NIL has changed the rules.

I think this is neck-and-neck with the transfer portal. Between the two of them, I think this is why guys like Coach K and Jay Wright jumped out. Actual coaching taking a back-seat to recruiting and retention...bleh.

I agree about the transfer portal. That combined with NIL means that we effectively have free agency both in football and basketball. “Get old and stay old” with a focus on upperclassmen transfers is becoming the template for a lot more places now.

(02-14-2024 07:46 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(02-13-2024 06:41 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(02-13-2024 03:32 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  The NIL has changed the rules.

I think this is neck-and-neck with the transfer portal. Between the two of them, I think this is why guys like Coach K and Jay Wright jumped out. Actual coaching taking a back-seat to recruiting and retention...bleh.

I agree about the transfer portal. That combined with NIL means that we effectively have free agency both in football and basketball. “Get old and stay old” with a focus on upperclassmen transfers is becoming the template for a lot more places now.

I guess the question is going to be when the COVID guys getting 5 years are done finally(thank goodness), will this be as sustainable?

(02-14-2024 08:40 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-14-2024 07:46 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(02-13-2024 06:41 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(02-13-2024 03:32 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  The NIL has changed the rules.

I think this is neck-and-neck with the transfer portal. Between the two of them, I think this is why guys like Coach K and Jay Wright jumped out. Actual coaching taking a back-seat to recruiting and retention...bleh.

I agree about the transfer portal. That combined with NIL means that we effectively have free agency both in football and basketball. “Get old and stay old” with a focus on upperclassmen transfers is becoming the template for a lot more places now.

I guess the question is going to be when the COVID guys getting 5 years are done finally(thank goodness), will this be as sustainable?

Could be 2027! 2021-2025 as 5 years, 2020 doesn't count and 2026 for an injury waiver. Should only be a handful in 2026-7, but there will still be a lot in 2024-5 and 2025-6

(02-14-2024 01:22 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-14-2024 08:40 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-14-2024 07:46 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(02-13-2024 06:41 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(02-13-2024 03:32 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  The NIL has changed the rules.

I think this is neck-and-neck with the transfer portal. Between the two of them, I think this is why guys like Coach K and Jay Wright jumped out. Actual coaching taking a back-seat to recruiting and retention...bleh.

I agree about the transfer portal. That combined with NIL means that we effectively have free agency both in football and basketball. “Get old and stay old” with a focus on upperclassmen transfers is becoming the template for a lot more places now.

I guess the question is going to be when the COVID guys getting 5 years are done finally(thank goodness), will this be as sustainable?

Could be 2027! 2021-2025 as 5 years, 2020 doesn't count and 2026 for an injury waiver. Should only be a handful in 2026-7, but there will still be a lot in 2024-5 and 2025-6

Right, and that would just add more time to whatever practices are currently in place to further root, grow, or adapt. That makes me wonder what “sustainability” is, then, if there’s just escalation and evolution in the coming years to create only more issues impacting the sport.

(02-13-2024 09:15 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(02-13-2024 08:25 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-13-2024 07:32 PM)Alanda Wrote:  It's kind of amazing. Like the 2014-15 season. All of that talent on one team and couldn't finish.

They lost to a really good Wisconsin team filled with seniors and a dominant center.
In 2009-10 they had the best team (John Wall, etc.) but I knew they would bow out somewhere. They lived and died on the 3s and weren't a great FT shooting team and got cold and lost to an experienced WVU in the regional finals.

And that same senior-filled Wisconsin team lost to a freshman-filled Duke team. Looked like Coach K did a better job with arguably less talented freshmen. The 2009-10 season I would actually give him a pass since that was his first season at Kentucky.

Duke had a bunch of JR and SR contributors. UK only had 2 players, both juniors, who weren't freshmen or sophomores among their top 10 scorers.

I actually think Cal is a solid X's and O's coach — and better than many on this board feel.

I liked having JC as the Memphis coach. He was a strong ambassador for the program and the university. And he is very likeable in person. I wish the man well if he leaves UK (and if he stays in Lexington, for that matter).

(02-14-2024 02:06 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-13-2024 09:15 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(02-13-2024 08:25 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-13-2024 07:32 PM)Alanda Wrote:  It's kind of amazing. Like the 2014-15 season. All of that talent on one team and couldn't finish.

They lost to a really good Wisconsin team filled with seniors and a dominant center.
In 2009-10 they had the best team (John Wall, etc.) but I knew they would bow out somewhere. They lived and died on the 3s and weren't a great FT shooting team and got cold and lost to an experienced WVU in the regional finals.

And that same senior-filled Wisconsin team lost to a freshman-filled Duke team. Looked like Coach K did a better job with arguably less talented freshmen. The 2009-10 season I would actually give him a pass since that was his first season at Kentucky.

Duke had a bunch of JR and SR contributors. UK only had 2 players, both juniors, who weren't freshmen or sophomores among their top 10 scorers.

A bunch? Duke had one senior and two juniors play in that championship game. Four freshmen and a sophomore were the others. And one of those juniors only played 9 minutes.