(03-26-2024 06:34 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  

The SEC doubled up the ACC in bowl payouts over a 10 year period. I had no idea it was THAT much.

(03-26-2024 06:39 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(03-26-2024 06:34 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  

The SEC doubled up the ACC in bowl payouts over a 10 year period. I had no idea it was THAT much.

That's not even total bowl payouts -- that's just NY6 bowls.

(03-26-2024 09:09 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(03-26-2024 06:39 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(03-26-2024 06:34 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  

The SEC doubled up the ACC in bowl payouts over a 10 year period. I had no idea it was THAT much.

That's not even total bowl payouts -- that's just NY6 bowls.

Yeah, in the 'rest of the conference' bowls they really kill us. The only one we had that was even in the SEC top 6 was the Peach Bowl. But they got called up by the NY6.

I don't even want to look at how much more the SEC and even the B1G make more than us in total bowl games.

I am curious if we make more than the B12 taking out the NY6 bowls. Since the only thing they had over us before was their tie in to the Sugar bowl with the SEC. Or was it the Cotton? I forget as I don't watch those conferences except in the playoffs.

(04-07-2024 07:28 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  

Director's Cup Points is a competition to see who can waste the most money on sports nobody watches and nobody cares about.

Scoring: Counts top 19 sports at each school with the following breakdowns:
- Four of which must be baseball, men's basketball, women's basketball and women's volleyball
- The next highest 15 sports scored for each institution, regardless of gender, will be used in the standings (except men's water polo)[a]
- For FBS Football: the top 25 teams are awarded points based on their final rank in the Coaches Poll. 26th place is considered a tie between every non-ranked bowl winner, and the next available rank is considered a tie between every non-ranked bowl loser.

First off ... FBS football using the Coach's Poll instead of the CFP rankings is a hoot. 26th place is equally hilarious. Secondly ... how convenient you only need apply the top 19 teams regardless of gender. At places like Stanford they're fielding over 30 teams, most of which will forever bleed red ink and not be profitable or even have a fan following of the slightest degree.

Have you EVER outside of the Olympics watched any of the following?

Men's water polo,women's water polo, men's skulls, men's double skulls, women's skulls, women's double skulls, men's cross country, women's cross country, men's track, women's track, sailing, men's swimming, men's diving, women's swimming, women's diving

Of course you haven't. And that's just a sample. This scoring system de-emphasizes revenue sports, does a hilariously bad job of scoring FBS football, and is a giant circle jerk over red ink non-revenue non-fan sports. If you're thumping your chest over Director's Cup points, I'm going to reflexively assume you stink in all the sports people actually care about.

(04-08-2024 09:33 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Have you EVER outside of the Olympics watched any of the following?

Men's water polo,women's water polo, men's skulls, men's double skulls, women's skulls, women's double skulls, men's cross country, women's cross country, men's track, women's track, sailing, men's swimming, men's diving, women's swimming, women's diving

Of course you haven't.

Well, there it is.

(04-08-2024 09:33 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(04-07-2024 07:28 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  

Director's Cup Points is a competition to see who can waste the most money on sports nobody watches and nobody cares about.

Scoring: Counts top 19 sports at each school with the following breakdowns:
- Four of which must be baseball, men's basketball, women's basketball and women's volleyball
- The next highest 15 sports scored for each institution, regardless of gender, will be used in the standings (except men's water polo)[a]
- For FBS Football: the top 25 teams are awarded points based on their final rank in the Coaches Poll. 26th place is considered a tie between every non-ranked bowl winner, and the next available rank is considered a tie between every non-ranked bowl loser.

First off ... FBS football using the Coach's Poll instead of the CFP rankings is a hoot. 26th place is equally hilarious. Secondly ... how convenient you only need apply the top 19 teams regardless of gender. At places like Stanford they're fielding over 30 teams, most of which will forever bleed red ink and not be profitable or even have a fan following of the slightest degree.

Have you EVER outside of the Olympics watched any of the following?

Men's water polo,women's water polo, men's skulls, men's double skulls, women's skulls, women's double skulls, men's cross country, women's cross country, men's track, women's track, sailing, men's swimming, men's diving, women's swimming, women's diving

Of course you haven't. And that's just a sample. This scoring system de-emphasizes revenue sports, does a hilariously bad job of scoring FBS football, and is a giant circle jerk over red ink non-revenue non-fan sports. If you're thumping your chest over Director's Cup points, I'm going to reflexively assume you stink in all the sports people actually care about.

Yes.

(04-08-2024 09:33 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(04-07-2024 07:28 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  

Director's Cup Points is a competition to see who can waste the most money on sports nobody watches and nobody cares about.

Scoring: Counts top 19 sports at each school with the following breakdowns:
- Four of which must be baseball, men's basketball, women's basketball and women's volleyball
- The next highest 15 sports scored for each institution, regardless of gender, will be used in the standings (except men's water polo)[a]
- For FBS Football: the top 25 teams are awarded points based on their final rank in the Coaches Poll. 26th place is considered a tie between every non-ranked bowl winner, and the next available rank is considered a tie between every non-ranked bowl loser.

First off ... FBS football using the Coach's Poll instead of the CFP rankings is a hoot. 26th place is equally hilarious. Secondly ... how convenient you only need apply the top 19 teams regardless of gender. At places like Stanford they're fielding over 30 teams, most of which will forever bleed red ink and not be profitable or even have a fan following of the slightest degree.

Have you EVER outside of the Olympics watched any of the following?

Men's water polo,women's water polo, men's skulls, men's double skulls, women's skulls, women's double skulls, men's cross country, women's cross country, men's track, women's track, sailing, men's swimming, men's diving, women's swimming, women's diving

Of course you haven't. And that's just a sample. This scoring system de-emphasizes revenue sports, does a hilariously bad job of scoring FBS football, and is a giant circle jerk over red ink non-revenue non-fan sports. If you're thumping your chest over Director's Cup points, I'm going to reflexively assume you stink in all the sports people actually care about.

Well, you could devise a scale for the He-Man Women Hater's Club trophy and use the Directors Cup points just from Football, Men's and Women's Basketball, and Baseball and derive a number. I'll work on that and come back with what I find.

(04-08-2024 03:06 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(04-08-2024 09:33 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(04-07-2024 07:28 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  

Director's Cup Points is a competition to see who can waste the most money on sports nobody watches and nobody cares about.

Scoring: Counts top 19 sports at each school with the following breakdowns:
- Four of which must be baseball, men's basketball, women's basketball and women's volleyball
- The next highest 15 sports scored for each institution, regardless of gender, will be used in the standings (except men's water polo)[a]
- For FBS Football: the top 25 teams are awarded points based on their final rank in the Coaches Poll. 26th place is considered a tie between every non-ranked bowl winner, and the next available rank is considered a tie between every non-ranked bowl loser.

First off ... FBS football using the Coach's Poll instead of the CFP rankings is a hoot. 26th place is equally hilarious. Secondly ... how convenient you only need apply the top 19 teams regardless of gender. At places like Stanford they're fielding over 30 teams, most of which will forever bleed red ink and not be profitable or even have a fan following of the slightest degree.

Have you EVER outside of the Olympics watched any of the following?

Men's water polo,women's water polo, men's skulls, men's double skulls, women's skulls, women's double skulls, men's cross country, women's cross country, men's track, women's track, sailing, men's swimming, men's diving, women's swimming, women's diving

Of course you haven't. And that's just a sample. This scoring system de-emphasizes revenue sports, does a hilariously bad job of scoring FBS football, and is a giant circle jerk over red ink non-revenue non-fan sports. If you're thumping your chest over Director's Cup points, I'm going to reflexively assume you stink in all the sports people actually care about.

Well, you could devise a scale for the He-Man Women Hater's Club trophy and use the Directors Cup points just from Football, Men's and Women's Basketball, and Baseball and derive a number. I'll work on that and come back with what I find.

Not into hating women (too many positive attributes!). How about a "earning your keep" trophy. Better yet, just base it on total TV viewers + attendance, all sports...

Directors Cup 22-23 Academic Year Football, Baseball, M & W Basketball Points

1. Duke 209 (Damn these bastards)
2. WF 128 (Can you imagine?)
3 Tie. NC State and UNC 117.5 (Almost looks fishy)
5. Clemson 102.5
6. Pitt 100
7. UVa 98
8. FSU 92
9 Tie. VT & Louisville 83
11 Tie. BC and ND 50
13 Tie GT and Syracuse Zero Points

There are a number of reason GT fails to score Director's Cup points. GT is a male oriented, STEM school located in the urban heart of Atlanta. It's not really a school you would ever send your little girl to. You would send her to Emory if she's smart. Mercer if she is a good girl and to UGa if she is a hoe. (that's a joke folks) GT sports would get a boost from a merger with Emory. Syracuse has to compete every day with the Ivies and even if most of it is indirect, it causes problems for Syracuse sports.

(03-26-2024 06:39 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(03-26-2024 06:34 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  

The SEC doubled up the ACC in bowl payouts over a 10 year period. I had no idea it was THAT much.

It's not just the single bowl contract such as the Rose for the B10 and the Sugar for the SEC. Those two have also been tapping half the Orange Bowl for that same period of time. The B10 drew $85,2 M from the Orange while the SEC drew $137.5 M.

The Big Contact Bowl Loss is compared over the last decade is:

The ACC is losing $27.5 M
The B12 is losing $40 M
The P12 lost $40 M
The B10 is losing $48.25 M
The SEC is losing $53.75 M

The B10 and P12 are also losing the Fiesta Bowl - The B10/Part of the P12 had 6 appearances in the FB over the last decade. That averages out to another lost $2.4 million for the B10 and pushes them to $50.65M lost.

That means the ACC in net terms gained 12.5 M a year on the B12, and $20 -22 M a year on the B10 and SEC - before the new CFP distribution formula. The truth was much worse than Hokie Mark has illustrated.

(04-08-2024 04:13 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  Directors Cup 22-23 Academic Year Football, Baseball, M & W Basketball Points

1. Duke 209 (Damn these bastards)
2. WF 128 (Can you imagine?)
3 Tie. NC State and UNC 117.5 (Almost looks fishy)
5. Clemson 102.5
6. Pitt 100
7. UVa 98
8. FSU 92
9 Tie. VT & Louisville 83
11 Tie. BC and ND 50
13 Tie GT and Syracuse Zero Points

There are a number of reason GT fails to score Director's Cup points. GT is a male oriented, STEM school located in the urban heart of Atlanta. It's not really a school you would ever send your little girl to. You would send her to Emory if she's smart. Mercer if she is a good girl and to UGa if she is a hoe. (that's a joke folks) GT sports would get a boost from a merger with Emory. Syracuse has to compete every day with the Ivies and even if most of it is indirect, it causes problems for Syracuse sports.

GT won a bowl game ergo would be 26th in FBS football in Director's Cup points.

(04-08-2024 08:00 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  

Old numbers. It's 49,500 now.

(04-08-2024 09:33 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(04-07-2024 07:28 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  

Director's Cup Points is a competition to see who can waste the most money on sports nobody watches and nobody cares about.

Scoring: Counts top 19 sports at each school with the following breakdowns:
- Four of which must be baseball, men's basketball, women's basketball and women's volleyball
- The next highest 15 sports scored for each institution, regardless of gender, will be used in the standings (except men's water polo)[a]
- For FBS Football: the top 25 teams are awarded points based on their final rank in the Coaches Poll. 26th place is considered a tie between every non-ranked bowl winner, and the next available rank is considered a tie between every non-ranked bowl loser.

First off ... FBS football using the Coach's Poll instead of the CFP rankings is a hoot. 26th place is equally hilarious. Secondly ... how convenient you only need apply the top 19 teams regardless of gender. At places like Stanford they're fielding over 30 teams, most of which will forever bleed red ink and not be profitable or even have a fan following of the slightest degree.

Have you EVER outside of the Olympics watched any of the following?

Men's water polo,women's water polo, men's skulls, men's double skulls, women's skulls, women's double skulls, men's cross country, women's cross country, men's track, women's track, sailing, men's swimming, men's diving, women's swimming, women's diving

Of course you haven't. And that's just a sample. This scoring system de-emphasizes revenue sports, does a hilariously bad job of scoring FBS football, and is a giant circle jerk over red ink non-revenue non-fan sports. If you're thumping your chest over Director's Cup points, I'm going to reflexively assume you stink in all the sports people actually care about.

Ehh?

IMO, Stanford’s problems adjusting to NIL and transfer portal changes are giving the Directors Cup competition a bad rap. Stanford football and basketball have tanked during the past several years, yet Stanford’s non revenue sports are still competitive for national championships. Stanford has lost sight of athletic department priorities…they need to make football and basketball more competitive fast.

But other football-first programs, such as Michigan and Ohio State (perennial top 5 in Directors Cup), are still excelling in football. The SEC is the strongest conference in terms of most Directors Cup points. The SEC has been investing in women’s basketball, gymnastics, softball and baseball. Schools like Texas, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Oklahoma, Arkansas, etc. are all consistent top 20 programs.

Even in the ACC, FSU and ND also have strong broad based athletic departments that regularly compete for national championships in multiple sports. The key is to never allow Directors Cup achievement to supersede the importance and priorities in football and basketball. That’s the issue for athletic departments at UVa, UNC, Duke and Cal.