And just think with any point production from G and W, UT possibly wins in regulation ?

We went toe to toe for 50 minutes with 1 of the 2 best teams in the Sun Belt Conference on their home court where they have not lost a game all season and didn't blink until the end. The same can be said for several other games this season against Top 100 Net teams like New Mexico, Indiana St, UC Irvine, and Akron. Now coming close doesn't win you anything. But it does show that Toledo can compete against quality competition. But in order to not just compete but win some of these games that go down to the wire, they need to eliminate turnovers and bad shots that will get you beat by good teams like App St today. Despite the loss, I think Toledo is an improving basketball team that has the potential to get even better with the continued development of our 2 Freshmen Starters (Simmons & Wilson) and our 6t man and 7th man (Lorentson and Lewis). Is it good enough to be able to win three games in Cleveland next month - the jury is still out on that at this moment!

really encouraged by this performance even though the loss was gut wrenching. we are good. and should have come out with the win. can only make us better.

good to see that brcic was walking ok after. having him for a couple possessions around the 6/7 minute mark to give Simmons a quick breather would have been helpful.

actually think we are better than Akron if it comes down to that. still gotta win 2 in cleveland to get there.

The MAC absolutely embarrassed themselves in this challenge. Even Akron looked like a Division 2 team.

(02-10-2024 05:55 PM)Springboromark Wrote:  In looking at the stat sheet, Ford, Brcic, and Wight no contribution point wise whatsoever ! The jury is still out on Brcic, but in Wight's case, the jury is in. Got to look for another big man or men this off season.

Tough call on Wight. As a coach, where winning is high on the list, but as someone who is also charged with developing a team, building chemistry and doing what I believe colleges athletics should be about and that bettering humans for life after athletics. Do you pull a scholarship on a kid like Wight for lack of any production at all? What message does that send to the rest of the team. Is it a wake up call to shape up or ship out. By all accounts he seems like a nice kid. Not in trouble, probably a good student. Is there anything we can extract from this kid that can help the team? Obviously there is something going on there. We have arguably seen better players leave or found themselves as the odd man out. It's still perplexing how a kid who came from a team/conference with relatively equal completion, comes to UT and has been virtually a non-factor in any game I've seen him play. He came in with contributing stats at his previous team and he's a multiple zero across the box score. Do you keep him as a project and because you made some sort of commitment to him and his family? I really do wish he was giving the team some valuable minutes.

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The disparity in bench points (Appy State -50 vs. Toledo - 10) is unbelievable !!
Probably a major factor in losing in double overtime…
K will probably ride his starters all the way into Cleveland with Dre and Lewis coming off the bench !!
Plenty of opportunities in blowout wins to enable others to get some PT, but they get shuffled in with barely one or two minutes to go …
Some things never change, and furthermore having a starting lineup that averages 6-3 will not get it done if Toledo ever does make it into the dance !!

(02-11-2024 11:14 AM)FMRocket Wrote:  The disparity in bench points (Appy State -50 vs. Toledo - 10) is unbelievable !!
Probably a major factor in losing in double overtime…
K will probably ride his starters all the way into Cleveland with Dre and Lewis coming off the bench !!
Plenty of opportunities in blowout wins to enable others to get some PT, but they get shuffled in with barely one or two minutes to go …
Some things never change, and furthermore having a starting lineup that averages 6-3 will not get it done if Toledo ever does make it into the dance !!

One of App State's starters only played 5 minutes and another starter played 19 minutes. Two of their bench players played over 30 minutes and scored 20 and 17 points. Another bench player played 27 minutes and scored 13 points. It seems to me they gave 3 bench players starter minutes and they scored a lot, which could explain some of the bench scoring disparity

(02-11-2024 09:37 AM)emanoh Wrote:  

(02-10-2024 05:55 PM)Springboromark Wrote:  In looking at the stat sheet, Ford, Brcic, and Wight no contribution point wise whatsoever ! The jury is still out on Brcic, but in Wight's case, the jury is in. Got to look for another big man or men this off season.

Tough call on Wight. As a coach, where winning is high on the list, but as someone who is also charged with developing a team, building chemistry and doing what I believe colleges athletics should be about and that bettering humans for life after athletics. Do you pull a scholarship on a kid like Wight for lack of any production at all? What message does that send to the rest of the team. Is it a wake up call to shape up or ship out. By all accounts he seems like a nice kid. Not in trouble, probably a good student. Is there anything we can extract from this kid that can help the team? Obviously there is something going on there. We have arguably seen better players leave or found themselves as the odd man out. It's still perplexing how a kid who came from a team/conference with relatively equal completion, comes to UT and has been virtually a non-factor in any game I've seen him play. He came in with contributing stats at his previous team and he's a multiple zero across the box score. Do you keep him as a project and because you made some sort of commitment to him and his family? I really do wish he was giving the team some valuable minutes.

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That is going to be one "tough call" for the Coaching Staff to have to make after the season. I guess the decision will be based on what issues Wight is dealing with which has caused him to basically "check out" this season, and whether it is something that can be salvageable. Whether he comes back to Toledo or not next season, the more important thing is for Wight to find answers to whatever he is dealing with. Hopefully, he finds that with the help of his family, friends, coaches, and teammates!

(02-11-2024 01:40 AM)pono Wrote:  really encouraged by this performance even though the loss was gut wrenching. we are good. and should have come out with the win. can only make us better.

good to see that brcic was walking ok after. having him for a couple possessions around the 6/7 minute mark to give Simmons a quick breather would have been helpful.

actually think we are better than Akron if it comes down to that. still gotta win 2 in cleveland to get there.

As I stated in my earlier post, I think the key will be how our 4 main "secondary group of players" (Simmons, Wilson, Lorentson, and Lewis) continue to develop over the rest of the regular season. It is obvious after 24 games that our core group (Moss, Maddox, and Cochran) are the engine that makes this team go. It is going to be the performance of the other " key" components that will likely determine in what place we come across the finish line next month in Cleveland!

(02-11-2024 11:30 AM)Basketball Jones Wrote:  

(02-11-2024 09:37 AM)emanoh Wrote:  

(02-10-2024 05:55 PM)Springboromark Wrote:  In looking at the stat sheet, Ford, Brcic, and Wight no contribution point wise whatsoever ! The jury is still out on Brcic, but in Wight's case, the jury is in. Got to look for another big man or men this off season.

Tough call on Wight. As a coach, where winning is high on the list, but as someone who is also charged with developing a team, building chemistry and doing what I believe colleges athletics should be about and that bettering humans for life after athletics. Do you pull a scholarship on a kid like Wight for lack of any production at all? What message does that send to the rest of the team. Is it a wake up call to shape up or ship out. By all accounts he seems like a nice kid. Not in trouble, probably a good student. Is there anything we can extract from this kid that can help the team? Obviously there is something going on there. We have arguably seen better players leave or found themselves as the odd man out. It's still perplexing how a kid who came from a team/conference with relatively equal completion, comes to UT and has been virtually a non-factor in any game I've seen him play. He came in with contributing stats at his previous team and he's a multiple zero across the box score. Do you keep him as a project and because you made some sort of commitment to him and his family? I really do wish he was giving the team some valuable minutes.

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That is going to be one "tough call" for the Coaching Staff to have to make after the season. I guess the decision will be based on what issues Wight is dealing with which has caused him to basically "check out" this season, and whether it is something that can be salvageable. Whether he comes back to Toledo or not next season, the more important thing is for Wight to find answers to whatever he is dealing with. Hopefully, he finds that with the help of his family, friends, coaches, and teammates!

Wight was an original Ohio commit, then lost his scholarship with a coaching change. Maybe he left to be closer to Columbus. Some guys just lose interest.

I'm almost certain Wight is not back. Way different than a HS recruit when you build relationships with family and the HS coach. He came here as a young man/college grad. Like others said, sometimes guys peak around their 3rd year and burn out. Why bring him back when Ouwinga is coming in as a high ceiling 6-9 guy who can actually run the floor, block shots and make outside shots.

I'm more interested in what happens with Brcic and Lorentsson. Brcic has the tools but is still developing his feel for the game. He's still very focused on his man or the pick he's setting and doesn't quite see the floor and how the play is unfolding. If they can coach up his feel for how play is evolving and get him to understand where he's gonna make plays (I.e. after setting a pick don't look for the ball around the free throw line but roll hard to the rim looking for a lob or deep post pass). Surprised Lorentsson didn't get more minutes vs App St, he was on his game. I think he comes back as he clearly likes it here and didn't have the greatest time at St Louis. Probably, the one guy on the current roster who can make the biggest jump in play next yr. Got the tools just starting to seize the opportunity.

I was at the game and it was a great one to witness live. The refs were horribly inconsistent. There were some plays where calls should have been made and weren’t and others where you play on. Your guard was almost decapitated where he lost his head band and there was no call. Why do you make a call with 2 seconds in the 1st OT to give App a chance to win at the line is beyond me. If I’m either coach, I’m not happy.

Genuinely impressed with your team. Cochran, #23 is like that rec league guy that just looks unassuming and then just out works you in every aspect of the game. Your team shoots the ball extremely well. I noticed that every shot was soft and in clean rotation. Very few long rebounds. Best of luck the rest of the season.

(02-11-2024 08:17 PM)Appst94 Wrote:  I was at the game and it was a great one to witness live. The refs were horribly inconsistent. There were some plays where calls should have been made and weren’t and others where you play on. Your guard was almost decapitated where he lost his head band and there was no call. Why do you make a call with 2 seconds in the 1st OT to give App a chance to win at the line is beyond me. If I’m either coach, I’m not happy.

Genuinely impressed with your team. Cochran, #23 is like that rec league guy that just looks unassuming and then just out works you in every aspect of the game. Your team shoots the ball extremely well. I noticed that every shot was soft and in clean rotation. Very few long rebounds. Best of luck the rest of the season.

Yep, by all accounts, one heck of a game to witness !!
Like the announcers stated a few times that both teams if they make the dance could do some damage beyond the first round !!
Toledo has not been since 1980 so we are chomping at the bit !!
Good luck to ASU as well down the road, and looking forward to the football series !!

(02-11-2024 08:26 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(02-11-2024 08:17 PM)Appst94 Wrote:  I was at the game and it was a great one to witness live. The refs were horribly inconsistent. There were some plays where calls should have been made and weren’t and others where you play on. Your guard was almost decapitated where he lost his head band and there was no call. Why do you make a call with 2 seconds in the 1st OT to give App a chance to win at the line is beyond me. If I’m either coach, I’m not happy.

Genuinely impressed with your team. Cochran, #23 is like that rec league guy that just looks unassuming and then just out works you in every aspect of the game. Your team shoots the ball extremely well. I noticed that every shot was soft and in clean rotation. Very few long rebounds. Best of luck the rest of the season.

Yep, by all accounts, one heck of a game to witness !!
Like the announcers stated a few times that both teams if they make the dance could do some damage beyond the first round !!
Toledo has not been since 1980 so we are chomping at the bit !!
Good luck to ASU as well down the road, and looking forward to the football series !!

I’m looking forward to the football series as well.

Classy post App. Good luck


I'm curious how many teams since 1980 have made an appearance in the dance, including teams no longer in D1? App has multiple times. But on a year average basis we have been much better. No MAC team has been a 16 seed ever if I'm not mistaken.

Twas a fun watch but disappointing in an all too familiar way. If we don't win the MAC the effort was all for not. But because we weren't supposed to and this team doesn't lose 2 seniors and P5 transfer, im optimistic.

Something about running the same full court play a decade later is annoying to me. How about 18 seconds to run a play and win the game for an iso step back long jumper? Not convinced we ever will win it. Hopefull for now.

(02-11-2024 08:17 PM)Appst94 Wrote:  I was at the game and it was a great one to witness live. The refs were horribly inconsistent. There were some plays where calls should have been made and weren’t and others where you play on. Your guard was almost decapitated where he lost his head band and there was no call. Why do you make a call with 2 seconds in the 1st OT to give App a chance to win at the line is beyond me. If I’m either coach, I’m not happy.

Genuinely impressed with your team. Cochran, #23 is like that rec league guy that just looks unassuming and then just out works you in every aspect of the game. Your team shoots the ball extremely well. I noticed that every shot was soft and in clean rotation. Very few long rebounds. Best of luck the rest of the season.

His post on officiating was spot on. Garbage throughout both ways