(02-11-2024 08:18 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  FSU could have just left in 2013 instead of signing GORs

No P2 spot was available to Florida State in 2013. (Rest assured due diligence was done.) The P2 as such had not yet emerged, either, though the trend had begun. The best option then available was to help your own conference keep up so that two other conferences in particular didn't pull away from everybody else.

Nice try by all. Too bad it didn't work. Onward.

(02-11-2024 07:19 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(02-11-2024 03:59 PM)esayem Wrote:  What’s an “M league”
....

Everyone knows. This isn't hard.

P2
M2 (+PAC at present)
G5

Defined by different layers of media revenue payouts, and the differing amounts of self-determination that go with each layer.

Who is meeting now to discuss the big issues relative to the NCAA? The P2 leagues. Others are not invited to the chat (except perhaps later as an afterthought) but they will live with the results.

You chopped my question in half and didn’t answer it

(02-11-2024 06:39 PM)chess Wrote:  When the big money of the Big Ten and SEC started being announced, this board rightly called out what would happen years ago.

Teams can eat $10 million for a year or two. What they can't do is be at a significant financial disadvantage for a decade or more. Programs may never be able to recover.

The Pac-12 made a bet to own its media rights to go it alone. However, because it didn't have the skills to get a distribution contract that would pay out market rates similar to the Big Ten and SEC, the Pac-12 doesn't exist anymore.

The Big Ten made a deal with Fox and formed the Big Ten Network.

The SEC made a deal with ESPN.

ESPN directed the ACC, destroyed the Big East football conference, and the ACC leadership signed the Grant of Rights. Why did the ACC commissioner direct such a long contract?

The ACC effectively competes with less income. While not the American or MWC income, the schools are still disadvantaged unless alumni wish to step up.

Something tells me Miami will be just fine.

Look at the NCAA basketball tournament projections. The ACC is projected to have 3 teams (UNC, Duke, Clemson). The SEC is projected to have 8. The Big Ten is projected to have 6.

Lower revenue is not just a football issue.

The ACC is projected to have 4-5; the three you mentioned, UVa (possibly the best team in the conference right now) and Wake is on the bubble.

Coaching turnover is an issue as well as blind allegiance to the NET. I’m still puzzled as to how the ACC dominated the Big XII this season, but is clearly underrated again. Also, the Big XII makes less money and they are projected more than the SEC and Big Ten so…

(02-11-2024 08:52 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(02-11-2024 06:39 PM)chess Wrote:  When the big money of the Big Ten and SEC started being announced, this board rightly called out what would happen years ago.

Teams can eat $10 million for a year or two. What they can't do is be at a significant financial disadvantage for a decade or more. Programs may never be able to recover.

The Pac-12 made a bet to own its media rights to go it alone. However, because it didn't have the skills to get a distribution contract that would pay out market rates similar to the Big Ten and SEC, the Pac-12 doesn't exist anymore.

The Big Ten made a deal with Fox and formed the Big Ten Network.

The SEC made a deal with ESPN.

ESPN directed the ACC, destroyed the Big East football conference, and the ACC leadership signed the Grant of Rights. Why did the ACC commissioner direct such a long contract?

The ACC effectively competes with less income. While not the American or MWC income, the schools are still disadvantaged unless alumni wish to step up.

Something tells me Miami will be just fine.

Look at the NCAA basketball tournament projections. The ACC is projected to have 3 teams (UNC, Duke, Clemson). The SEC is projected to have 8. The Big Ten is projected to have 6.

Lower revenue is not just a football issue.

The ACC is projected to have 4-5; the three you mentioned, UVa (possibly the best team in the conference right now) and Wake is on the bubble.

Coaching turnover is an issue as well as blind allegiance to the NET. I’m still puzzled as to how the ACC dominated the Big XII this season, but is clearly underrated again. Also, the Big XII makes less money and they are projected more than the SEC and Big Ten so…

Maybe "The Man" is using NET to extort ACC schools into the P2.

(02-11-2024 09:01 PM)Porcine Wrote:  Maybe "The Man" is using NET to extort ACC schools into the P2.

You have to wonder.

'Deserving' in this or that win column is not what determines these layers. What determines them is what the networks choose to pay for.

The ACC fared better in football playoffs than the B1G. But the networks pay the B1G twice what they pay the ACC, for networks' reasons.