(02-16-2024 06:20 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote: Kent Bazemore, Chris Cooper, and Trian Iliadis...
...all coming off of the bench.
...and all better than anyone on our current team.
Look we all know this season stinks but to claim that Trian is better than everyone on this team is just pure hyperbole. He was a decent role player, but if he was put into the same position as Chaunce (facing constant double teams) his career 30.7% from 3 would be even worse.
Haha. This is soo true. I remember having discussions with other fans about Illiadis. Everyone just assumed he could shoot it just never came to fruition. He was a very good role player though and knew his job. Make no mistake, BTs teams couldn’t shoot a lick from outside either. But they had very obvious strengths and played to those. They didn’t shoot a bunch of threes cause they knew that wasn’t a strength.
(02-20-2024 09:25 AM)ODUCoach Wrote: Not on this day, but since we already posted the Cleveland State that was a February 20th game, let me post this one instead:
Not sure how I feel about seeing these videos. They're such great memories, but seeing them, and then realizing the fact that our program is now one of the worst in the nation is a really tough pill. Hopefully our next coach can get us back to that level. They were great times indeed.
(02-16-2024 06:20 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote: Kent Bazemore, Chris Cooper, and Trian Iliadis...
...all coming off of the bench.
...and all better than anyone on our current team.
Look we all know this season stinks but to claim that Trian is better than everyone on this team is just pure hyperbole. He was a decent role player, but if he was put into the same position as Chaunce (facing constant double teams) his career 30.7% from 3 would be even worse.
Haha. This is soo true. I remember having discussions with other fans about Illiadis. Everyone just assumed he could shoot it just never came to fruition. He was a very good role player though and knew his job. Make no mistake, BTs teams couldn’t shoot a lick from outside either. But they had very obvious strengths and played to those. They didn’t shoot a bunch of threes cause they knew that wasn’t a strength.
If nothing else, we can all thank Trian for a free meal of Cains chicken. Thats still my wife's favorite ODU basketball memory.
(02-20-2024 09:25 AM)ODUCoach Wrote: Not on this day, but since we already posted the Cleveland State that was a February 20th game, let me post this one instead:
(02-16-2024 06:20 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote: Kent Bazemore, Chris Cooper, and Trian Iliadis...
...all coming off of the bench.
...and all better than anyone on our current team.
Look we all know this season stinks but to claim that Trian is better than everyone on this team is just pure hyperbole. He was a decent role player, but if he was put into the same position as Chaunce (facing constant double teams) his career 30.7% from 3 would be even worse.
I agree that Chaunce is a better overall player/athlete, but in fairness to Trian, he would probably pass the ball to a teammate instead of trying to slowly, methodically, dribble, dribble, dribble, and shoot a crazy, twisting shot against the double (or triple) team.
Trian was a decent role player. He didnt have the skills to be the primary ball handler/scorer. Thats fine, you cant play with 5 of the same players but Chaunce would probably look a lot better if all he was asked to do was spot up shoot.
(02-20-2024 11:37 AM)Stat Geek Wrote: Trian was a decent role player. He didnt have the skills to be the primary ball handler/scorer. Thats fine, you cant play with 5 of the same players but Chaunce would probably look a lot better if all he was asked to do was spot up shoot.
I agree. Chaunce would be better though if he would just quit trying to do everything by himself all the time. If he would just let the game come to him more often than he does. A whole lot of that goes back to the coaching staff too IMO.
Funny thing about highlight videos, if you didn't know better you'd think we were a great 3 point shooting team. Nostalgia aside, BT's teams were always offensively challenged and I well remember many of us complaining then about missed layups and poor 3 point shooting. Thing is, we won a ton of games anyhow, relying on very good defense and rebounding.
(02-20-2024 11:56 AM)Old Dominion Wrote: Funny thing about highlight videos, if you didn't know better you'd think we were a great 3 point shooting team. Nostalgia aside, BT's teams were always offensively challenged and I well remember many of us complaining then about missed layups and poor 3 point shooting. Thing is, we won a ton of games anyhow, relying on very good defense and rebounding.
Blaine developed those very good offensive rebounders. “What’s a miss among friends?” he’d say. Good times.
(02-16-2024 06:20 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote: Kent Bazemore, Chris Cooper, and Trian Iliadis...
...all coming off of the bench.
...and all better than anyone on our current team.
Look we all know this season stinks but to claim that Trian is better than everyone on this team is just pure hyperbole. He was a decent role player, but if he was put into the same position as Chaunce (facing constant double teams) his career 30.7% from 3 would be even worse.
I agree that Chaunce is a better overall player/athlete, but in fairness to Trian, he would probably pass the ball to a teammate instead of trying to slowly, methodically, dribble, dribble, dribble, and shoot a crazy, twisting shot against the double (or triple) team.
(02-20-2024 11:37 AM)Stat Geek Wrote: Trian was a decent role player. He didnt have the skills to be the primary ball handler/scorer. Thats fine, you cant play with 5 of the same players but Chaunce would probably look a lot better if all he was asked to do was spot up shoot.
Also, I think it is completely unfair to judge any of the players on this year's team based on the way they play on this team. Maybe Chaunce is a jerk who doesn't know how to function as a part of a team, but I find it more likely that with 4 years in a system and good coaching he would be a very different player than the one we see on this completely unstructured team where nobody really has any defined role, and executing an offense is clearly not a priority.
(02-20-2024 11:37 AM)Stat Geek Wrote: Trian was a decent role player. He didnt have the skills to be the primary ball handler/scorer. Thats fine, you cant play with 5 of the same players but Chaunce would probably look a lot better if all he was asked to do was spot up shoot.
Also, I think it is completely unfair to judge any of the players on this year's team based on the way they play on this team. Maybe Chaunce is a jerk who doesn't know how to function as a part of a team, but I find it more likely that with 4 years in a system and good coaching he would be a very different player than the one we see on this completely unstructured team where nobody really has any defined role, and executing an offense is clearly not a priority.
I agree with this take. I think most of our players are individually talented. Its just that this is not a team where the parts fit together to be something even greater. Its basically 13 guys with the same skills and abilities that normally would all be playing the same position (except Pounds and Leroy). Add in terrible coaching and this is what you get. Chaunce seems like a good guy. I dont think he's trying to be selfish. He's probably trying to be a leader because he realizes he should be the most talented guy on the team. But like everyone else on the team, that role doesn't come easy for him. Most of these guys could be great coming off the bench on good D1 teams as a shooting guard. Winning many games is a bridge too far for a team comprised of basically the same player and no true leader. Its even worse than I expected, but many fans could see something like this coming last spring. Put most of these guys coming off the bench at other SB or CUSA level schools and I think they'd be quite successful. We'll probably find out next year.
(This post was last modified: 02-22-2024 01:19 PM by monarx.)
(02-20-2024 11:37 AM)Stat Geek Wrote: Trian was a decent role player. He didnt have the skills to be the primary ball handler/scorer. Thats fine, you cant play with 5 of the same players but Chaunce would probably look a lot better if all he was asked to do was spot up shoot.
Also, I think it is completely unfair to judge any of the players on this year's team based on the way they play on this team. Maybe Chaunce is a jerk who doesn't know how to function as a part of a team, but I find it more likely that with 4 years in a system and good coaching he would be a very different player than the one we see on this completely unstructured team where nobody really has any defined role, and executing an offense is clearly not a priority.
I agree with this take. I think most of our players are individually talented. Its just that this is not a team where the parts fit together to be something even greater. Its basically 13 guys with the same skills and abilities that normally would all be playing the same position (except Pounds and Leroy). Add in terrible coaching and this is what you get. Chaunce seems like a good guy. I dont think he's trying to be selfish. He's probably trying to be a leader because he realizes he should be the most talented guy on the team. But like everyone else on the team, that role doesn't come easy for him. Most of these guys could be great coming off the bench on good D1 teams as a shooting guard. Winning many games is a bridge too far for a team comprised of basically the same player and no true leader. Its even worse than I expected, but many fans could see something like this coming last spring. Put most of these guys coming off the bench at other SB or CUSA level schools and I think they'd be quite successful. We'll probably find out next year.
This is true. I think it’s hard to compare Jenkins against any of the guards on those BT teams. We have to keep in mind that this current team has NO inside scoring presence. Heck, Ben Finney would probably be the center on this current team. Having post players like Hassel and Lee makes life a lot easier for a shooting guard. Add in Kent Bazemore as a freaky athlete, Carter , and of course Finney and I expect Jenkins would look a lot better.
Unfortunately, as you said, you could see it coming. Hopefully, the off-season will be good for Monarch Nation.
(02-28-2024 02:08 PM)ODUCoach Wrote: With the excitement of this week, I missed these:
Man, the clips of the VCU game gave me chills. That was truly TOP TOP level mid major/high major basketball. Both in the play on the court, and the electric atmosphere. I love they showed the student with the giant Blaine Taylor head. It feels like yesterday, and seems almost impossible to believe it was like that, at the same time. I really hope our new coach can get us back to that level of play and excitement. Those crowds were amazing. If JMU and ODU are the top two teams vying for a reg season championship, I think it could happen. But we have a long way to go.
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