(01-23-2024 05:18 PM)tigergg Wrote:  

(01-23-2024 05:00 PM)Alcalde2 Wrote:  i cant imagine why Carl and Pierre would stay. I suppose its possible that Carl is far worse than Ashton in practice and just hasnt earned the PT or struggles to understand the Xs and Os, and Ashton happens to master them enough to get the nod over Carl or even Pierre...

But I doubt it

The only part I disagree with is him possibly not understanding the X’s and O’s, What X’s and O’s are there to understand? Just try and beat your man 1 on 1 or jack up a 3 and you’ve got it mastered..

Good grief. There are definitely plays. But if you want 12 passes and no dribbling, I suggest you become a fan of the '53 Hoosiers.

(01-24-2024 09:03 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(01-23-2024 05:05 PM)micman Wrote:  

(01-23-2024 05:00 PM)Alcalde2 Wrote:  i cant imagine why Carl and Pierre would stay. I suppose its possible that Carl is far worse than Ashton in practice and just hasnt earned the PT or struggles to understand the Xs and Os, and Ashton happens to master them enough to get the nod over Carl or even Pierre...

But I doubt it

Ashton appears to be a very skilled offensive player. I expect his career to be akin to Tyler Harris. Come off the bench and be an offensive spark.

Based on how much the frosh played in the first half against USF, I think Penny had hoped he'd be able to play these guys a good bit in league play; but it hasn't worked out that way.

What is he skilled at ? He’s not very athletic and he’s had one game where he shot well. He doesn’t rebound and gets beat constantly on defense. Sorry but he’s basically like David Wingett and John Camden. The Michigan game was a long long time ago.

He has a specific skill which is shooting. Carl, currently does not have a specific skill that allows for playing time. It does appear that Penny is trying to get him more playing time. My assumption is that he is hoping Carl's athleticism can translate into good perimeter defense to make up for the loss of Mills.

But also, Ashton is not getting as much run as you seem to think. Over the last 5 games he has played 6, 5, 5, 5, 14 (USF) and 4 minutes. Over that same 5 game stretch Carl has played 0, 4, 2, 7 (USF), and 0. That is very little playing time for either and I certainly would not say that Ashton is playing over Carl.

Jayden is the player that just see FAR FAR FAR too much playing time and it baffling. He would not be logging significant minutes for any either high major D1 program. In those same 5 games he has played 8, 19, 11, 10 & 28 minutes and produced 0, 4, 7, 0, 4 points. At best he is neutral on the court for us.

(01-23-2024 09:08 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  The primary problem is our poor perimeter defense. Even when we seem to be cognizant of the need to cover a perimeter shooter (about half the time) our guys run at the shooter late after he shoots or the shooter drives past the late defender & gets to the basket. Lack of effort or sagging off side D, either way it isn't working.

It is awful technique and discipline. We do three things defensively that kill us.
1. Our guys get caught watching the ball instead of the ball and their man, which leads to open shots
2. We overplay passing lanes which leads to players getting beat and defensive scrambles
3. Weakside needlessly collapses whenever a player penetrates, again leaving shooters wide open (this is heavily related to point 1 of focusing on the ball and not the person you are defending)

(01-24-2024 12:20 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 09:03 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(01-23-2024 05:05 PM)micman Wrote:  

(01-23-2024 05:00 PM)Alcalde2 Wrote:  i cant imagine why Carl and Pierre would stay. I suppose its possible that Carl is far worse than Ashton in practice and just hasnt earned the PT or struggles to understand the Xs and Os, and Ashton happens to master them enough to get the nod over Carl or even Pierre...

But I doubt it

Ashton appears to be a very skilled offensive player. I expect his career to be akin to Tyler Harris. Come off the bench and be an offensive spark.

Based on how much the frosh played in the first half against USF, I think Penny had hoped he'd be able to play these guys a good bit in league play; but it hasn't worked out that way.

What is he skilled at ? He’s not very athletic and he’s had one game where he shot well. He doesn’t rebound and gets beat constantly on defense. Sorry but he’s basically like David Wingett and John Camden. The Michigan game was a long long time ago.

He has a specific skill which is shooting. Carl, currently does not have a specific skill that allows for playing time. It does appear that Penny is trying to get him more playing time. My assumption is that he is hoping Carl's athleticism can translate into good perimeter defense to make up for the loss of Mills.

But also, Ashton is not getting as much run as you seem to think. Over the last 5 games he has played 6, 5, 5, 5, 14 (USF) and 4 minutes. Over that same 5 game stretch Carl has played 0, 4, 2, 7 (USF), and 0. That is very little playing time for either and I certainly would not say that Ashton is playing over Carl.

Jayden is the player that just see FAR FAR FAR too much playing time and it baffling. He would not be logging significant minutes for any either high major D1 program. In those same 5 games he has played 8, 19, 11, 10 & 28 minutes and produced 0, 4, 7, 0, 4 points. At best he is neutral on the court for us.

Your math there adds up to Ashton playing 3 times what Carl is playing (39 minutes vs 13)

(01-24-2024 12:23 PM)Alcalde2 Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 12:20 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 09:03 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(01-23-2024 05:05 PM)micman Wrote:  

(01-23-2024 05:00 PM)Alcalde2 Wrote:  i cant imagine why Carl and Pierre would stay. I suppose its possible that Carl is far worse than Ashton in practice and just hasnt earned the PT or struggles to understand the Xs and Os, and Ashton happens to master them enough to get the nod over Carl or even Pierre...

But I doubt it

Ashton appears to be a very skilled offensive player. I expect his career to be akin to Tyler Harris. Come off the bench and be an offensive spark.

Based on how much the frosh played in the first half against USF, I think Penny had hoped he'd be able to play these guys a good bit in league play; but it hasn't worked out that way.

What is he skilled at ? He’s not very athletic and he’s had one game where he shot well. He doesn’t rebound and gets beat constantly on defense. Sorry but he’s basically like David Wingett and John Camden. The Michigan game was a long long time ago.

He has a specific skill which is shooting. Carl, currently does not have a specific skill that allows for playing time. It does appear that Penny is trying to get him more playing time. My assumption is that he is hoping Carl's athleticism can translate into good perimeter defense to make up for the loss of Mills.

But also, Ashton is not getting as much run as you seem to think. Over the last 5 games he has played 6, 5, 5, 14 (USF) and 4 minutes. Over that same 5 game stretch Carl has played 0, 4, 2, 7 (USF), and 0. That is very little playing time for either and I certainly would not say that Ashton is playing over Carl.

Jayden is the player that just see FAR FAR FAR too much playing time and it baffling. He would not be logging significant minutes for any either high major D1 program. In those same 5 games he has played 8, 19, 11, 10 & 28 minutes and produced 0, 4, 7, 0, 4 points. At best he is neutral on the court for us.

Your math there adds up to Ashton playing 3 times what Carl is playing (39 minutes vs 13)

I added an extra 5 minutes on Ashton (I have 5 minutes listed 3 times but should only be 2) so 34 minutes versus 13. So, 21 minutes over the last 5 games, 4.25 minutes/game
Also, he should be getting more PT because he brings a specific skill to the court and Carl does not.

I am not particularly concerned about adding the totality but rather a more per game basis which is what the players are looking at and experiencing in real time. Per game the difference is really minimal - 6, 1, 3, 7 and 4. Realistically, that is just not a drastic difference per game because each player is playing so little (which was really my point, Ashton is not playing a bunch of minutes).

(01-24-2024 12:20 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(01-24-2024 09:03 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(01-23-2024 05:05 PM)micman Wrote:  

(01-23-2024 05:00 PM)Alcalde2 Wrote:  i cant imagine why Carl and Pierre would stay. I suppose its possible that Carl is far worse than Ashton in practice and just hasnt earned the PT or struggles to understand the Xs and Os, and Ashton happens to master them enough to get the nod over Carl or even Pierre...

But I doubt it

Ashton appears to be a very skilled offensive player. I expect his career to be akin to Tyler Harris. Come off the bench and be an offensive spark.

Based on how much the frosh played in the first half against USF, I think Penny had hoped he'd be able to play these guys a good bit in league play; but it hasn't worked out that way.

What is he skilled at ? He’s not very athletic and he’s had one game where he shot well. He doesn’t rebound and gets beat constantly on defense. Sorry but he’s basically like David Wingett and John Camden. The Michigan game was a long long time ago.

He has a specific skill which is shooting. Carl, currently does not have a specific skill that allows for playing time. It does appear that Penny is trying to get him more playing time. My assumption is that he is hoping Carl's athleticism can translate into good perimeter defense to make up for the loss of Mills.

But also, Ashton is not getting as much run as you seem to think. Over the last 5 games he has played 6, 5, 5, 5, 14 (USF) and 4 minutes. Over that same 5 game stretch Carl has played 0, 4, 2, 7 (USF), and 0. That is very little playing time for either and I certainly would not say that Ashton is playing over Carl.

Jayden is the player that just see FAR FAR FAR too much playing time and it baffling. He would not be logging significant minutes for any either high major D1 program. In those same 5 games he has played 8, 19, 11, 10 & 28 minutes and produced 0, 4, 7, 0, 4 points. At best he is neutral on the court for us.

I agree that it seems Jayden's time is too much. The problem since Mills went down is that our perimeter bench is thin. And with Walton's injury, it really bit us in the 2H at Tulane. But I really don't know who else could have played those minutes.

(01-24-2024 10:59 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(01-23-2024 05:18 PM)tigergg Wrote:  

(01-23-2024 05:00 PM)Alcalde2 Wrote:  i cant imagine why Carl and Pierre would stay. I suppose its possible that Carl is far worse than Ashton in practice and just hasnt earned the PT or struggles to understand the Xs and Os, and Ashton happens to master them enough to get the nod over Carl or even Pierre...

But I doubt it

The only part I disagree with is him possibly not understanding the X’s and O’s, What X’s and O’s are there to understand? Just try and beat your man 1 on 1 or jack up a 3 and you’ve got it mastered..

Good grief. There are definitely plays. But if you want 12 passes and no dribbling, I suggest you become a fan of the '53 Hoosiers.

Only play they run if you wanna call it one is the weave out on the perimeter the rest is ISO.. They run nothing to get anyone open looks.. We have no half court game and haven’t in years.. It’s all about the guy with the ball going one on one.. South Florida realized it and went zone and beat us because of it..