(01-14-2024 03:52 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote: Did you see Cheranfant at the end of the game Penny??????? Give him and Pierre more minutes!!!!!!!!!!!!
One of the unfortunate aspects of the NET is it encourages blow outs. If we lost points due to subbing too early, Penny would have been hurting our resume and he would be subject to criticism.
They have a ton of talent buried on the bench. Those two would be playing for the majority of teams in the country.
My gripe is they're buried behind the you know who's, that would be coming off the bench for most teams in the country.
(01-14-2024 03:52 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote: Did you see Cheranfant at the end of the game Penny??????? Give him and Pierre more minutes!!!!!!!!!!!!
One of the unfortunate aspects of the NET is it encourages blow outs. If we lost points due to subbing too early, Penny would have been hurting our resume and he would be subject to criticism.
Penny played everybody as usual, but today, he gave all but 27 total minutes to the 5 starters + Tomlin. Basically a 6 man rotation plus about 14 minutes for the older son.
With the loss of Mills we really only go 6 deep of quality players at this point. Needs to basically be that way the rest of the season. 7th man is one of the two hardaways or young. Not very good options. Cheren has actually looked good in the limited time this game and last though. Wish he would get some more time but I have to assume Penny sees something in practice that makes him think he isn’t ready.
(01-14-2024 03:52 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote: Did you see Cheranfant at the end of the game Penny??????? Give him and Pierre more minutes!!!!!!!!!!!!
One of the unfortunate aspects of the NET is it encourages blow outs. If we lost points due to subbing too early, Penny would have been hurting our resume and he would be subject to criticism.
Penny played everybody as usual, but today, he gave all but 27 total minutes to the 5 starters + Tomlin. Basically a 6 man rotation plus about 14 minutes for the older son.
With the loss of Mills we really only go 6 deep of quality players at this point. Needs to basically be that way the rest of the season. 7th man is one of the two hardaways or young. Not very good options. Cheren has actually looked good in the limited time this game and last though. Wish he would get some more time but I have to assume Penny sees something in practice that makes him think he isn’t ready.
(01-14-2024 03:52 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote: Did you see Cheranfant at the end of the game Penny??????? Give him and Pierre more minutes!!!!!!!!!!!!
One of the unfortunate aspects of the NET is it encourages blow outs. If we lost points due to subbing too early, Penny would have been hurting our resume and he would be subject to criticism.
Penny played everybody as usual, but today, he gave all but 27 total minutes to the 5 starters + Tomlin. Basically a 6 man rotation plus about 14 minutes for the older son.
With the loss of Mills we really only go 6 deep of quality players at this point. Needs to basically be that way the rest of the season. 7th man is one of the two hardaways or young. Not very good options. Cheren has actually looked good in the limited time this game and last though. Wish he would get some more time but I have to assume Penny sees something in practice that makes him think he isn’t ready.
Yeah he see's he's not a Hardaway.
Meh Penny may not distribute minutes sometimes like people think he should or whatever but he doesn’t just glue people to the bench he thinks can play. Has shown no problem playing 9-10 deep in the past. I think that would be a better argument if cheren was getting 5 minutes a game or something and still playing good. Wouldn’t be surprised if he is a dude that looks not great in practice but has so much energy in the game he just makes things happen. Won’t know unless he gets some run.
(01-14-2024 04:19 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote: One of the unfortunate aspects of the NET is it encourages blow outs. If we lost points due to subbing too early, Penny would have been hurting our resume and he would be subject to criticism.
Penny played everybody as usual, but today, he gave all but 27 total minutes to the 5 starters + Tomlin. Basically a 6 man rotation plus about 14 minutes for the older son.
With the loss of Mills we really only go 6 deep of quality players at this point. Needs to basically be that way the rest of the season. 7th man is one of the two hardaways or young. Not very good options. Cheren has actually looked good in the limited time this game and last though. Wish he would get some more time but I have to assume Penny sees something in practice that makes him think he isn’t ready.
Yeah he see's he's not a Hardaway.
Meh Penny may not distribute minutes sometimes like people think he should or whatever but he doesn’t just glue people to the bench he thinks can play. Has shown no problem playing 9-10 deep in the past. I think that would be a better argument if cheren was getting 5 minutes a game or something and still playing good. Wouldn’t be surprised if he is a dude that looks not great in practice but has so much energy in the game he just makes things happen. Won’t know unless he gets some run.
Yeah but now he's got two kids playing for the team and he's playing them together. I'd love to see the the +- when they're both in the game. Just stop, they're terrible.
Jayden is in his 400th year and he's shooting 22.5 from 3. Ashton plays zero defense and Penny had the audacity of starting him to start the season.
Sorry, I'm not big into nepotism.
(This post was last modified: 01-14-2024 05:12 PM by Memphis Yankee.)
(01-14-2024 04:19 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote: One of the unfortunate aspects of the NET is it encourages blow outs. If we lost points due to subbing too early, Penny would have been hurting our resume and he would be subject to criticism.
Penny played everybody as usual, but today, he gave all but 27 total minutes to the 5 starters + Tomlin. Basically a 6 man rotation plus about 14 minutes for the older son.
With the loss of Mills we really only go 6 deep of quality players at this point. Needs to basically be that way the rest of the season. 7th man is one of the two hardaways or young. Not very good options. Cheren has actually looked good in the limited time this game and last though. Wish he would get some more time but I have to assume Penny sees something in practice that makes him think he isn’t ready.
Yeah he see's he's not a Hardaway.
Meh Penny may not distribute minutes sometimes like people think he should or whatever but he doesn’t just glue people to the bench he thinks can play. Has shown no problem playing 9-10 deep in the past. I think that would be a better argument if cheren was getting 5 minutes a game or something and still playing good. Wouldn’t be surprised if he is a dude that looks not great in practice but has so much energy in the game he just makes things happen. Won’t know unless he gets some run.
Ashton only played five minutes and scored a bucket. Jayden in 11 minutes tallied seven points (including a three) and three rebounds. Whatever the problem is with the 26 point victory, they are not the cause.
(01-14-2024 04:32 PM)TripleA Wrote: Penny played everybody as usual, but today, he gave all but 27 total minutes to the 5 starters + Tomlin. Basically a 6 man rotation plus about 14 minutes for the older son.
With the loss of Mills we really only go 6 deep of quality players at this point. Needs to basically be that way the rest of the season. 7th man is one of the two hardaways or young. Not very good options. Cheren has actually looked good in the limited time this game and last though. Wish he would get some more time but I have to assume Penny sees something in practice that makes him think he isn’t ready.
Yeah he see's he's not a Hardaway.
Meh Penny may not distribute minutes sometimes like people think he should or whatever but he doesn’t just glue people to the bench he thinks can play. Has shown no problem playing 9-10 deep in the past. I think that would be a better argument if cheren was getting 5 minutes a game or something and still playing good. Wouldn’t be surprised if he is a dude that looks not great in practice but has so much energy in the game he just makes things happen. Won’t know unless he gets some run.
Ashton only played five minutes and scored a bucket. Jayden in 11 minutes tallied seven points (including a three) and three rebounds. Whatever the problem is with the 26 point victory, they are not the cause.
Jayden was shooting 22% from 3 before yesterdays game. For some odd reason he keeps trying to barge through defenders this year more than ever before. Like he's trying to prove something. He used to be more of a team player. Either one of them is athletic.
I want to see Pierre and Cheranfant get some of those minutes. They're both much better athletes, and they look like can play some defense.
Pierre is a shooter and he needs some shots. He had a nice rebound in his short stint. We sure could use that.
(01-14-2024 04:38 PM)Fluke Wrote: With the loss of Mills we really only go 6 deep of quality players at this point. Needs to basically be that way the rest of the season. 7th man is one of the two hardaways or young. Not very good options. Cheren has actually looked good in the limited time this game and last though. Wish he would get some more time but I have to assume Penny sees something in practice that makes him think he isn’t ready.
Yeah he see's he's not a Hardaway.
Meh Penny may not distribute minutes sometimes like people think he should or whatever but he doesn’t just glue people to the bench he thinks can play. Has shown no problem playing 9-10 deep in the past. I think that would be a better argument if cheren was getting 5 minutes a game or something and still playing good. Wouldn’t be surprised if he is a dude that looks not great in practice but has so much energy in the game he just makes things happen. Won’t know unless he gets some run.
Ashton only played five minutes and scored a bucket. Jayden in 11 minutes tallied seven points (including a three) and three rebounds. Whatever the problem is with the 26 point victory, they are not the cause.
Jayden was shooting 22% from 3 before yesterdays game. For some odd reason he keeps trying to barge through defenders this year more than ever before. Like he's trying to prove something. He used to be more of a team player. Either one of them is athletic.
I want to see Pierre and Cheranfant get some of those minutes. They're both much better athletes, and they look like can play some defense.
Pierre is a shooter and he needs some shots. He had a nice rebound in his short stint. We sure could use that.
I agree with you, but for now, it's just a minor distraction. The top 6 guys (the starters + Tomlin) got all but 27 minutes yesterday (Jayden had 14 of those), so it's not really a huge chunk of time we're debating.
(01-14-2024 04:40 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote: Yeah he see's he's not a Hardaway.
Meh Penny may not distribute minutes sometimes like people think he should or whatever but he doesn’t just glue people to the bench he thinks can play. Has shown no problem playing 9-10 deep in the past. I think that would be a better argument if cheren was getting 5 minutes a game or something and still playing good. Wouldn’t be surprised if he is a dude that looks not great in practice but has so much energy in the game he just makes things happen. Won’t know unless he gets some run.
Ashton only played five minutes and scored a bucket. Jayden in 11 minutes tallied seven points (including a three) and three rebounds. Whatever the problem is with the 26 point victory, they are not the cause.
Jayden was shooting 22% from 3 before yesterdays game. For some odd reason he keeps trying to barge through defenders this year more than ever before. Like he's trying to prove something. He used to be more of a team player. Either one of them is athletic.
I want to see Pierre and Cheranfant get some of those minutes. They're both much better athletes, and they look like can play some defense.
Pierre is a shooter and he needs some shots. He had a nice rebound in his short stint. We sure could use that.
I agree with you, but for now, it's just a minor distraction. The top 6 guys (the starters + Tomlin) got all but 27 minutes yesterday (Jayden had 14 of those), so it's not really a huge chunk of time we're debating.
I assume Penny burns to advance deep into the Tourney and will play those most likely to achieve his goal. Others assume nepotism drives his sub patterns.
In other news, Michigan (92 NET) at home beat the Ohio St (47 NET) today, 73-65. The Wolverines were favored by 1.5 points.
(This post was last modified: 01-15-2024 06:42 PM by Tiger1983.)
(01-15-2024 04:59 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote: Jayden was shooting 22% from 3 before yesterdays game. For some odd reason he keeps trying to barge through defenders this year more than ever before. Like he's trying to prove something. He used to be more of a team player. Either one of them is athletic.
I want to see Pierre and Cheranfant get some of those minutes. They're both much better athletes, and they look like can play some defense.
Pierre is a shooter and he needs some shots. He had a nice rebound in his short stint. We sure could use that.
I completely understand how you feel, but it's not quite that bad. I believe most everyone would agree that Tomlin should be the first off the bench, but beyond that, who's next? Personally I feel that depending on the position, it would be either Jayden or Jayhlon. Looking at their metrics, they're very close.
Regarding the other two and Ashton, again looking at metrics, Ashton comes out ahead. With what little I've seen of Cheranfant, I'd like to see more and it sounds like he's finally earned more minutes in the future, per Penny. Pierre isn't a bad player, but I would argue that he's currently the worst player on the team aside from our two walk-ons. More time to develop and a bit more muscle mass, and I could see him developing into a fine player. Hopefully all three will be patient enough to stick around for next season where I expect they'll all have greater roles in the program.
Has nepotism played a factor? Penny is their father, so it's natural to assume there is at least a little favoritism happening, but I don't think it's too over the top. Ultimately, I am confident that Penny wants to win the ball games even more than we do; and he's not going to intentionally do something stupid that would derail the best season he's had thus far in his college coaching career.
(01-15-2024 04:59 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote: Jayden was shooting 22% from 3 before yesterdays game. For some odd reason he keeps trying to barge through defenders this year more than ever before. Like he's trying to prove something. He used to be more of a team player. Either one of them is athletic.
I want to see Pierre and Cheranfant get some of those minutes. They're both much better athletes, and they look like can play some defense.
Pierre is a shooter and he needs some shots. He had a nice rebound in his short stint. We sure could use that.
I completely understand how you feel, but it's not quite that bad. I believe most everyone would agree that Tomlin should be the first off the bench, but beyond that, who's next? Personally I feel that depending on the position, it would be either Jayden or Jayhlon. Looking at their metrics, they're very close.
Regarding the other two and Ashton, again looking at metrics, Ashton comes out ahead. With what little I've seen of Cheranfant, I'd like to see more and it sounds like he's finally earned more minutes in the future, per Penny. Pierre isn't a bad player, but I would argue that he's currently the worst player on the team aside from our two walk-ons. More time to develop and a bit more muscle mass, and I could see him developing into a fine player. Hopefully all three will be patient enough to stick around for next season where I expect they'll all have greater roles in the program.
Has nepotism played a factor? Penny is their father, so it's natural to assume there is at least a little favoritism happening, but I don't think it's too over the top. Ultimately, I am confident that Penny wants to win the ball games even more than we do; and he's not going to intentionally do something stupid that would derail the best season he's had thus far in his college coaching career.
It's his kids?? Are you serious. Jayden and Ashton have muscle mass? Get outta hare.
Those two kids have way more talent. Just play em Penny. I'm done with six years of Hardaways. Harry and the Henderson's, I mean Penny and the Hardaways.
"Not a Memphis game" thread . . . hmmm, that's a pretty broad title. The number of topics that could be discussed in this thread is close to infinite. All kinds of things are not Memphis games.
(01-16-2024 08:51 PM)Golden Jedi Knight Wrote: "Not a Memphis game" thread . . . hmmm, that's a pretty broad title. The number of topics that could be discussed in this thread is close to infinite. All kinds of things are not Memphis games.
