(01-02-2024 02:12 PM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  

(01-02-2024 11:03 AM)falconplucker Wrote:  The players didn’t destroy anything. The entire system is destroying itself. From what, 6th or 7th grade all of these players and parents are made to feel special and anxiously invested in themselves with travel ball, flag football or otherwise. The competition to be and get the best begins there and only grows as they get older. By the time players reach college, everyone is looking for the best possible offer after years in this accepted system where athletes and families pay thousands through travel, equipment, etc expenses, so they can compete against each other for that magical scholarship offer. All the while, colleges and universities use these systems as free scouting and recruiting services. Now coaches have the added bonus of not having to rely as heavily on high school recruiting, when they can recruit known qualities from current college players. Then someone like Kirby Smart can give a post game press conference, crying about the transfer portal, while he’s making $110 million dollars “for the love of the school”. The universities and colleges created the big money issues and all of side effects, transfer portal included. The bigger colleges are just fine with it. So I don’t blame someone for leaving with the opportunity to get a bigger NIL deal. The whole “being true to your school” is a charade. A lot of these schools wouldn’t hesitate to drop someone “being true” right down the depth chart, if a better player comes along or shows interest. There’s nothing innocent about college football.

This is true but as a governing body, the ncaa cannot continue to allow kids to skip around 3-4x in a 4 yr period. You have to have restrictions. You cannot treat college football as a free agent market at the end of each season. By doing so, the amateur status is eliminated and these kids can now be considered professionals

Completely agree. They need to push everything back to the original recruit signing period that was in February and make it rule that once it’s over, you are locked in for the year. It does make me wonder who has the actual power. The NCAA has the power in basketball, but also holds the inside come on to the tournament broadcast. I’m not sure if the same exists for football. Weren’t power five conferences threatening to start their own thing and abandon the NCAA altogether?

(01-02-2024 03:44 PM)falconplucker Wrote:  

(01-02-2024 02:12 PM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  

(01-02-2024 11:03 AM)falconplucker Wrote:  The players didn’t destroy anything. The entire system is destroying itself. From what, 6th or 7th grade all of these players and parents are made to feel special and anxiously invested in themselves with travel ball, flag football or otherwise. The competition to be and get the best begins there and only grows as they get older. By the time players reach college, everyone is looking for the best possible offer after years in this accepted system where athletes and families pay thousands through travel, equipment, etc expenses, so they can compete against each other for that magical scholarship offer. All the while, colleges and universities use these systems as free scouting and recruiting services. Now coaches have the added bonus of not having to rely as heavily on high school recruiting, when they can recruit known qualities from current college players. Then someone like Kirby Smart can give a post game press conference, crying about the transfer portal, while he’s making $110 million dollars “for the love of the school”. The universities and colleges created the big money issues and all of side effects, transfer portal included. The bigger colleges are just fine with it. So I don’t blame someone for leaving with the opportunity to get a bigger NIL deal. The whole “being true to your school” is a charade. A lot of these schools wouldn’t hesitate to drop someone “being true” right down the depth chart, if a better player comes along or shows interest. There’s nothing innocent about college football.

This is true but as a governing body, the ncaa cannot continue to allow kids to skip around 3-4x in a 4 yr period. You have to have restrictions. You cannot treat college football as a free agent market at the end of each season. By doing so, the amateur status is eliminated and these kids can now be considered professionals

Completely agree. They need to push everything back to the original recruit signing period that was in February and make it rule that once it’s over, you are locked in for the year. It does make me wonder who has the actual power. The NCAA has the power in basketball, but also holds the inside come on to the tournament broadcast. I’m not sure if the same exists for football. Weren’t power five conferences threatening to start their own thing and abandon the NCAA altogether?

I'm confused...why does the portal have anything to do with the Early High School signing day?

supposedly it's allowed before end of season so the athlete can enroll at the next college for the spring semester

(01-02-2024 04:34 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(01-02-2024 03:44 PM)falconplucker Wrote:  

(01-02-2024 02:12 PM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  

(01-02-2024 11:03 AM)falconplucker Wrote:  The players didn’t destroy anything. The entire system is destroying itself. From what, 6th or 7th grade all of these players and parents are made to feel special and anxiously invested in themselves with travel ball, flag football or otherwise. The competition to be and get the best begins there and only grows as they get older. By the time players reach college, everyone is looking for the best possible offer after years in this accepted system where athletes and families pay thousands through travel, equipment, etc expenses, so they can compete against each other for that magical scholarship offer. All the while, colleges and universities use these systems as free scouting and recruiting services. Now coaches have the added bonus of not having to rely as heavily on high school recruiting, when they can recruit known qualities from current college players. Then someone like Kirby Smart can give a post game press conference, crying about the transfer portal, while he’s making $110 million dollars “for the love of the school”. The universities and colleges created the big money issues and all of side effects, transfer portal included. The bigger colleges are just fine with it. So I don’t blame someone for leaving with the opportunity to get a bigger NIL deal. The whole “being true to your school” is a charade. A lot of these schools wouldn’t hesitate to drop someone “being true” right down the depth chart, if a better player comes along or shows interest. There’s nothing innocent about college football.

This is true but as a governing body, the ncaa cannot continue to allow kids to skip around 3-4x in a 4 yr period. You have to have restrictions. You cannot treat college football as a free agent market at the end of each season. By doing so, the amateur status is eliminated and these kids can now be considered professionals

Completely agree. They need to push everything back to the original recruit signing period that was in February and make it rule that once it’s over, you are locked in for the year. It does make me wonder who has the actual power. The NCAA has the power in basketball, but also holds the inside come on to the tournament broadcast. I’m not sure if the same exists for football. Weren’t power five conferences threatening to start their own thing and abandon the NCAA altogether?

I'm confused...why does the portal have anything to do with the Early High School signing day?

(01-02-2024 04:34 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(01-02-2024 03:44 PM)falconplucker Wrote:  

(01-02-2024 02:12 PM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  

(01-02-2024 11:03 AM)falconplucker Wrote:  The players didn’t destroy anything. The entire system is destroying itself. From what, 6th or 7th grade all of these players and parents are made to feel special and anxiously invested in themselves with travel ball, flag football or otherwise. The competition to be and get the best begins there and only grows as they get older. By the time players reach college, everyone is looking for the best possible offer after years in this accepted system where athletes and families pay thousands through travel, equipment, etc expenses, so they can compete against each other for that magical scholarship offer. All the while, colleges and universities use these systems as free scouting and recruiting services. Now coaches have the added bonus of not having to rely as heavily on high school recruiting, when they can recruit known qualities from current college players. Then someone like Kirby Smart can give a post game press conference, crying about the transfer portal, while he’s making $110 million dollars “for the love of the school”. The universities and colleges created the big money issues and all of side effects, transfer portal included. The bigger colleges are just fine with it. So I don’t blame someone for leaving with the opportunity to get a bigger NIL deal. The whole “being true to your school” is a charade. A lot of these schools wouldn’t hesitate to drop someone “being true” right down the depth chart, if a better player comes along or shows interest. There’s nothing innocent about college football.

This is true but as a governing body, the ncaa cannot continue to allow kids to skip around 3-4x in a 4 yr period. You have to have restrictions. You cannot treat college football as a free agent market at the end of each season. By doing so, the amateur status is eliminated and these kids can now be considered professionals

Completely agree. They need to push everything back to the original recruit signing period that was in February and make it rule that once it’s over, you are locked in for the year. It does make me wonder who has the actual power. The NCAA has the power in basketball, but also holds the inside come on to the tournament broadcast. I’m not sure if the same exists for football. Weren’t power five conferences threatening to start their own thing and abandon the NCAA altogether?

I'm confused...why does the portal have anything to do with the Early High School signing day?

High Schoolers are signing earlier because there are less scholarships available due to the portal.

(01-03-2024 07:40 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(01-02-2024 04:34 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(01-02-2024 03:44 PM)falconplucker Wrote:  

(01-02-2024 02:12 PM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  

(01-02-2024 11:03 AM)falconplucker Wrote:  The players didn’t destroy anything. The entire system is destroying itself. From what, 6th or 7th grade all of these players and parents are made to feel special and anxiously invested in themselves with travel ball, flag football or otherwise. The competition to be and get the best begins there and only grows as they get older. By the time players reach college, everyone is looking for the best possible offer after years in this accepted system where athletes and families pay thousands through travel, equipment, etc expenses, so they can compete against each other for that magical scholarship offer. All the while, colleges and universities use these systems as free scouting and recruiting services. Now coaches have the added bonus of not having to rely as heavily on high school recruiting, when they can recruit known qualities from current college players. Then someone like Kirby Smart can give a post game press conference, crying about the transfer portal, while he’s making $110 million dollars “for the love of the school”. The universities and colleges created the big money issues and all of side effects, transfer portal included. The bigger colleges are just fine with it. So I don’t blame someone for leaving with the opportunity to get a bigger NIL deal. The whole “being true to your school” is a charade. A lot of these schools wouldn’t hesitate to drop someone “being true” right down the depth chart, if a better player comes along or shows interest. There’s nothing innocent about college football.

This is true but as a governing body, the ncaa cannot continue to allow kids to skip around 3-4x in a 4 yr period. You have to have restrictions. You cannot treat college football as a free agent market at the end of each season. By doing so, the amateur status is eliminated and these kids can now be considered professionals

Completely agree. They need to push everything back to the original recruit signing period that was in February and make it rule that once it’s over, you are locked in for the year. It does make me wonder who has the actual power. The NCAA has the power in basketball, but also holds the inside come on to the tournament broadcast. I’m not sure if the same exists for football. Weren’t power five conferences threatening to start their own thing and abandon the NCAA altogether?

I'm confused...why does the portal have anything to do with the Early High School signing day?

High Schoolers are signing earlier because there are less scholarships available due to the portal.

Could a player sign in October and then decide to go to another school in the fall with no consequences?

(01-03-2024 08:56 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(01-03-2024 07:40 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(01-02-2024 04:34 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(01-02-2024 03:44 PM)falconplucker Wrote:  

(01-02-2024 02:12 PM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  This is true but as a governing body, the ncaa cannot continue to allow kids to skip around 3-4x in a 4 yr period. You have to have restrictions. You cannot treat college football as a free agent market at the end of each season. By doing so, the amateur status is eliminated and these kids can now be considered professionals

Completely agree. They need to push everything back to the original recruit signing period that was in February and make it rule that once it’s over, you are locked in for the year. It does make me wonder who has the actual power. The NCAA has the power in basketball, but also holds the inside come on to the tournament broadcast. I’m not sure if the same exists for football. Weren’t power five conferences threatening to start their own thing and abandon the NCAA altogether?

I'm confused...why does the portal have anything to do with the Early High School signing day?

High Schoolers are signing earlier because there are less scholarships available due to the portal.

Could a player sign in October and then decide to go to another school in the fall with no consequences?

HS players can't sign in October. They can only officially sign during the 3 day window in December, and then in February or later.

(01-03-2024 07:40 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(01-02-2024 04:34 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(01-02-2024 03:44 PM)falconplucker Wrote:  

(01-02-2024 02:12 PM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  

(01-02-2024 11:03 AM)falconplucker Wrote:  The players didn’t destroy anything. The entire system is destroying itself. From what, 6th or 7th grade all of these players and parents are made to feel special and anxiously invested in themselves with travel ball, flag football or otherwise. The competition to be and get the best begins there and only grows as they get older. By the time players reach college, everyone is looking for the best possible offer after years in this accepted system where athletes and families pay thousands through travel, equipment, etc expenses, so they can compete against each other for that magical scholarship offer. All the while, colleges and universities use these systems as free scouting and recruiting services. Now coaches have the added bonus of not having to rely as heavily on high school recruiting, when they can recruit known qualities from current college players. Then someone like Kirby Smart can give a post game press conference, crying about the transfer portal, while he’s making $110 million dollars “for the love of the school”. The universities and colleges created the big money issues and all of side effects, transfer portal included. The bigger colleges are just fine with it. So I don’t blame someone for leaving with the opportunity to get a bigger NIL deal. The whole “being true to your school” is a charade. A lot of these schools wouldn’t hesitate to drop someone “being true” right down the depth chart, if a better player comes along or shows interest. There’s nothing innocent about college football.

This is true but as a governing body, the ncaa cannot continue to allow kids to skip around 3-4x in a 4 yr period. You have to have restrictions. You cannot treat college football as a free agent market at the end of each season. By doing so, the amateur status is eliminated and these kids can now be considered professionals

Completely agree. They need to push everything back to the original recruit signing period that was in February and make it rule that once it’s over, you are locked in for the year. It does make me wonder who has the actual power. The NCAA has the power in basketball, but also holds the inside come on to the tournament broadcast. I’m not sure if the same exists for football. Weren’t power five conferences threatening to start their own thing and abandon the NCAA altogether?

I'm confused...why does the portal have anything to do with the Early High School signing day?

High Schoolers are signing earlier because there are less scholarships available due to the portal.

Correct...so why would pushing the Signing Day back to February HELP that problem?

(01-03-2024 08:56 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(01-03-2024 07:40 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(01-02-2024 04:34 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(01-02-2024 03:44 PM)falconplucker Wrote:  

(01-02-2024 02:12 PM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  This is true but as a governing body, the ncaa cannot continue to allow kids to skip around 3-4x in a 4 yr period. You have to have restrictions. You cannot treat college football as a free agent market at the end of each season. By doing so, the amateur status is eliminated and these kids can now be considered professionals

Completely agree. They need to push everything back to the original recruit signing period that was in February and make it rule that once it’s over, you are locked in for the year. It does make me wonder who has the actual power. The NCAA has the power in basketball, but also holds the inside come on to the tournament broadcast. I’m not sure if the same exists for football. Weren’t power five conferences threatening to start their own thing and abandon the NCAA altogether?

I'm confused...why does the portal have anything to do with the Early High School signing day?

High Schoolers are signing earlier because there are less scholarships available due to the portal.

Could a player sign in October and then decide to go to another school in the fall with no consequences?

Outside of the date issues that were correctly identified by NCRocket, no, if a player signs an NLI and is not released by their school, they would have to sit a year (very rare).

(01-03-2024 09:56 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(01-03-2024 07:40 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(01-02-2024 04:34 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(01-02-2024 03:44 PM)falconplucker Wrote:  

(01-02-2024 02:12 PM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  This is true but as a governing body, the ncaa cannot continue to allow kids to skip around 3-4x in a 4 yr period. You have to have restrictions. You cannot treat college football as a free agent market at the end of each season. By doing so, the amateur status is eliminated and these kids can now be considered professionals

Completely agree. They need to push everything back to the original recruit signing period that was in February and make it rule that once it’s over, you are locked in for the year. It does make me wonder who has the actual power. The NCAA has the power in basketball, but also holds the inside come on to the tournament broadcast. I’m not sure if the same exists for football. Weren’t power five conferences threatening to start their own thing and abandon the NCAA altogether?

I'm confused...why does the portal have anything to do with the Early High School signing day?

High Schoolers are signing earlier because there are less scholarships available due to the portal.

Correct...so why would pushing the Signing Day back to February HELP that problem?

Early signing is not the problem. The portal date is. It should be moved after the National Championship or after the February signing date
This would give players and coaching staff a better view of what they need

(01-03-2024 10:48 AM)Babes boy Wrote:  

(01-03-2024 09:56 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(01-03-2024 07:40 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(01-02-2024 04:34 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(01-02-2024 03:44 PM)falconplucker Wrote:  Completely agree. They need to push everything back to the original recruit signing period that was in February and make it rule that once it’s over, you are locked in for the year. It does make me wonder who has the actual power. The NCAA has the power in basketball, but also holds the inside come on to the tournament broadcast. I’m not sure if the same exists for football. Weren’t power five conferences threatening to start their own thing and abandon the NCAA altogether?

I'm confused...why does the portal have anything to do with the Early High School signing day?

High Schoolers are signing earlier because there are less scholarships available due to the portal.

Correct...so why would pushing the Signing Day back to February HELP that problem?

Early signing is not the problem. The portal date is. It should be moved after the National Championship or after the February signing date
This would give players and coaching staff a better view of what they need

I get that. It's logical. It's considerate. But it misses that for Universities, semesters tend to end before Christmas and students, particularly December grads tend to move on.

Maybe there would need be accomidation of those at natural, earned transitions. Not a one-size fits all portal?

(01-03-2024 11:00 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(01-03-2024 10:48 AM)Babes boy Wrote:  

(01-03-2024 09:56 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(01-03-2024 07:40 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(01-02-2024 04:34 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  I'm confused...why does the portal have anything to do with the Early High School signing day?

High Schoolers are signing earlier because there are less scholarships available due to the portal.

Correct...so why would pushing the Signing Day back to February HELP that problem?

Early signing is not the problem. The portal date is. It should be moved after the National Championship or after the February signing date
This would give players and coaching staff a better view of what they need

I get that. It's logical. It's considerate. But it misses that for Universities, semesters tend to end before Christmas and students, particularly December grads tend to move on.

Maybe there would need be accomidation of those at natural, earned transitions. Not a one-size fits all portal?

I've brought that up numerous times in this and other threads but he refuses to understand it. Unfortunately, the NCAA requires enrollment for participation, so students must transfer in the time between terms in order to participate in spring practices and training programs at their new University. If the NCAA (or whatever governing body takes over for football when the inevitable split occurs) made a change to allow for spring participation for students who transfer after the beginning of a term, then that's would correct the issue...though that could cause more issues as a student could participate with a program for a semester and not necessarily "transfer" to that program, which means there would have to be a whole lot of oversight to reduce the potential of planting players for counter-recruiting or program scouting.

(01-04-2024 11:54 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(01-03-2024 11:00 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(01-03-2024 10:48 AM)Babes boy Wrote:  

(01-03-2024 09:56 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(01-03-2024 07:40 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  High Schoolers are signing earlier because there are less scholarships available due to the portal.

Correct...so why would pushing the Signing Day back to February HELP that problem?

Early signing is not the problem. The portal date is. It should be moved after the National Championship or after the February signing date
This would give players and coaching staff a better view of what they need

I get that. It's logical. It's considerate. But it misses that for Universities, semesters tend to end before Christmas and students, particularly December grads tend to move on.

Maybe there would need be accomidation of those at natural, earned transitions. Not a one-size fits all portal?

I've brought that up numerous times in this and other threads but he refuses to understand it. Unfortunately, the NCAA requires enrollment for participation, so students must transfer in the time between terms in order to participate in spring practices and training programs at their new University. If the NCAA (or whatever governing body takes over for football when the inevitable split occurs) made a change to allow for spring participation for students who transfer after the beginning of a term, then that's would correct the issue...though that could cause more issues as a student could participate with a program for a semester and not necessarily "transfer" to that program, which means there would have to be a whole lot of oversight to reduce the potential of planting players for counter-recruiting or program scouting.

" he refuses to understand it"
That's not fair and you know it, lol. Most of us only see anything athletics related on the surface. If it were simple, would people be making mid six figures and higher to run it?

Don't answer that.

We're just world building here, letting our creative juices flow without the restrictions of the real world. When the real world understands and bends to our will, bwa ha ha, then it will all be better.

Big Cat said Barstool is probably done sponsoring the Arizona Bowl unless the financials change.

Recall that the December signing days for football have only been around since 2017. Football had been the only sport where HS athletes had to wait until February to sign - everyone else had a November signing date.

As I recall, it was the G5 schools which most vocally supported adding the early signings because in the previous years there were huge numbers of flipped commitments in January from G5 to P5 schools, as the P5 schools used the time after the season was over to greedily recruit kids that they missed the 1st time, or to fill holes that they now saw in their rosters. So, the G5 schools were then able to lock in recruits while the P5s were still focusing on the current season.

It was also though to benefit the athletes, who would no longer be hounded with recruiters during their last semester of HS which they were supposed to be enjoying and also often working to get their grades up so they can graduate. Of course, it also allows for kids with enough credits already to graduate early and enroll in January to participate in spring practice and get used to college life for a bit before the season starts.

Of course, that was all before the transfer portal, so that does change the dynamic some.