(12-22-2023 12:30 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(12-22-2023 11:25 AM)Dukes_Royals Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 08:36 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 08:03 PM)Dukes_Royals Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 05:23 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  Most of the players get free educations worth 6 figures.

That is more than what millions of Americans make.

This tripe about the poor, abused athletes is the biggest load of horse crap I've ever seen.

And clearly the market says they are worth more.

JMU in state is $32k before any scholarships non-athletic students get (need or academic based), so I would say these athletes are being compensated $20-25k in education benefits if they are full ride. Not 6 figures, not even close. Roughly $12 an hour. Not even a living wage.

$32,000 tuition, $5,000 room and board, $2,000 meal plan, $15,000 athletics training, and what $3,000 stipend or more?

In two years that add's up to a total compensation package, which is your pay, of more than $100,000.

If they don't want that to be considered compensation, no more scholarships.

$32k at JMU includes room and board and meals. And the $15,000 in athletic training is a like your employer providing your office, laptop, HR, etc... It is required for them to be able to do their job.

And people need to remember being a D1 athlete is a minimum a 40 hour a week job if not more. I played D3 athletics and that was a 20+ hours commitment year round (more while in season).

It's also of their own free will.

People collectively pay $1 billion annually to watch athletes perform. The schools keep 100% of this and decide how it should be spent.

If the schools don’t have to hold themselves to an amateur standard why should the athletes?

The schools have the free will to not accept media money and go back to the amateur standard enforced pre-1984. Why don’t they? Why don’t the schools artificially limit their income just like the athletes?

(12-22-2023 12:47 PM)ODU2017 Wrote:  

(12-22-2023 12:30 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(12-22-2023 11:25 AM)Dukes_Royals Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 08:36 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 08:03 PM)Dukes_Royals Wrote:  And clearly the market says they are worth more.

JMU in state is $32k before any scholarships non-athletic students get (need or academic based), so I would say these athletes are being compensated $20-25k in education benefits if they are full ride. Not 6 figures, not even close. Roughly $12 an hour. Not even a living wage.

$32,000 tuition, $5,000 room and board, $2,000 meal plan, $15,000 athletics training, and what $3,000 stipend or more?

In two years that add's up to a total compensation package, which is your pay, of more than $100,000.

If they don't want that to be considered compensation, no more scholarships.

$32k at JMU includes room and board and meals. And the $15,000 in athletic training is a like your employer providing your office, laptop, HR, etc... It is required for them to be able to do their job.

And people need to remember being a D1 athlete is a minimum a 40 hour a week job if not more. I played D3 athletics and that was a 20+ hours commitment year round (more while in season).

It's also of their own free will.

People collectively pay $1 billion annually to watch athletes perform. The schools keep 100% of this and decide how it should be spent.

If the schools don’t have to hold themselves to an amateur standard why should the athletes?

The schools have the free will to not accept media money and go back to the amateur standard enforced pre-1984. Why don’t they? Why don’t the schools artificially limit their income just like the athletes?

Only the top few conferences in sports earn any kind of revenue from their media contracts.

As shown above athletes get paid in scholarship, healthcare, free food, free rooming, stipend, before anything else. It's well above minimum wage even at the cheapest of schools.

Only the top few % of schools make enough from their media contracts to be getting more than than the tens of thousands in free stuff the athletes already get.

The Sun Belt certainly does not atm.

And yes coaches shouldn't be making millions either. Unfortunately there is just no way to stop the out of control spending there.

Also the schools do not get a full share of that 1 billion. The tv networks keep a significant share and then give almost all of the rest to a handful of conferences. Of which the Sun Belt is not one of.

Call me Scrooge, but I'm that group that thinks getting a free education with room and board as well as premier nutritional services etc. should be plenty. There's no reason kids should be making more in college than the rest of their family wholesale....People are gonna stop supporting the schools because none of the money actually goes back to the school. And as for the portal, I think someone on here brought it up, cancel it after their soph year! Sure kids make a decision at the start that doesn't work out, but give them the opt out to find a better spot...It's like this kid at WVU, he's on his third school, and everyone was mad that the NCAA wasn't gonna let him play until they caved again to the mutiny uprising...Give em one transfer and be done with it! (Barring a family emergency)

(12-21-2023 05:23 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 01:03 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  It was great when it was just the schools and coaches making all of the money ey?

Most of the players get free educations worth 6 figures.

That is more than what millions of Americans make.

This tripe about the poor, abused athletes is the biggest load of horse crap I've ever seen.

Well one, not every college education is 6 figures. Secondly, you want to talk about how much money college football coaches make? The highest paid state employees in nearly every single state? AND, schools only give those scholarships to kids that are good enough to help them win. Let's not act as if it's some form of charity.

(12-21-2023 09:55 PM)banker Wrote:  People talking cash are forgetting that just a few years ago the “full cost of attendance “ deal went into effect. So players are already getting paid monthly cash above tuition, rent, food, books, etc.

Ohio State made over 250 million in revenue... in one year. Alabama had over 50 million in donations in alone and another 44 million off of ticket sales in one year. Cost of attendance is nothing. No one is forced to pay.. you just accept the fact that you won't be getting those players if you don't.

(12-22-2023 12:30 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(12-22-2023 11:25 AM)Dukes_Royals Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 08:36 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 08:03 PM)Dukes_Royals Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 05:23 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  Most of the players get free educations worth 6 figures.

That is more than what millions of Americans make.

This tripe about the poor, abused athletes is the biggest load of horse crap I've ever seen.

And clearly the market says they are worth more.

JMU in state is $32k before any scholarships non-athletic students get (need or academic based), so I would say these athletes are being compensated $20-25k in education benefits if they are full ride. Not 6 figures, not even close. Roughly $12 an hour. Not even a living wage.

$32,000 tuition, $5,000 room and board, $2,000 meal plan, $15,000 athletics training, and what $3,000 stipend or more?

In two years that add's up to a total compensation package, which is your pay, of more than $100,000.

If they don't want that to be considered compensation, no more scholarships.

$32k at JMU includes room and board and meals. And the $15,000 in athletic training is a like your employer providing your office, laptop, HR, etc... It is required for them to be able to do their job.

And people need to remember being a D1 athlete is a minimum a 40 hour a week job if not more. I played D3 athletics and that was a 20+ hours commitment year round (more while in season).

It's also of their own free will.

So is paying players for the schools. If you don't want to, don't. But don't complain when the ones that do are putting up basketball numbers on you.

I am fine with pay for play...but I hope my school does not participate in it. I don't think it will work long term. Let supply and demand dictate what these players are worth but you are going to end up with LIV Golf type want to from a player that has already been paid. I will take the kid that is trying to get paid like a LIV Golfer...he has want to and hunger. A good coach can do a lot with that. I hope we go this route.

(12-22-2023 02:13 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(12-22-2023 12:47 PM)ODU2017 Wrote:  

(12-22-2023 12:30 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(12-22-2023 11:25 AM)Dukes_Royals Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 08:36 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  $32,000 tuition, $5,000 room and board, $2,000 meal plan, $15,000 athletics training, and what $3,000 stipend or more?

In two years that add's up to a total compensation package, which is your pay, of more than $100,000.

If they don't want that to be considered compensation, no more scholarships.

$32k at JMU includes room and board and meals. And the $15,000 in athletic training is a like your employer providing your office, laptop, HR, etc... It is required for them to be able to do their job.

And people need to remember being a D1 athlete is a minimum a 40 hour a week job if not more. I played D3 athletics and that was a 20+ hours commitment year round (more while in season).

It's also of their own free will.

People collectively pay $1 billion annually to watch athletes perform. The schools keep 100% of this and decide how it should be spent.

If the schools don’t have to hold themselves to an amateur standard why should the athletes?

The schools have the free will to not accept media money and go back to the amateur standard enforced pre-1984. Why don’t they? Why don’t the schools artificially limit their income just like the athletes?

Only the top few conferences in sports earn any kind of revenue from their media contracts.

As shown above athletes get paid in scholarship, healthcare, free food, free rooming, stipend, before anything else. It's well above minimum wage even at the cheapest of schools.

Only the top few % of schools make enough from their media contracts to be getting more than than the tens of thousands in free stuff the athletes already get.

The Sun Belt certainly does not atm.

And yes coaches shouldn't be making millions either. Unfortunately there is just no way to stop the out of control spending there.

Also the schools do not get a full share of that 1 billion. The tv networks keep a significant share and then give almost all of the rest to a handful of conferences. Of which the Sun Belt is not one of.

My mistake, the power five schools combined for $3.3 billion in revenue paid to them in 2022.

If this is an amateur sport why are the schools selling out for so much money? Why don’t they renounce the money in the name of amateurism as the athletes are asked to?

Under the same reasoning, schools could easily tell coaches - hey no one gets rich from a career coaching amateurs. You want big money, coach the pros. Your salary is capped at the cost of living. - What reasoning makes it ok to pay amateur coaches seven figures and amateur athletes zero?

Again, the schools overprice amenities and then give them to athletes and claim they are paying millions in equivalent compensation but they are not. They are paying athletes zero.

(12-22-2023 04:14 PM)ODU2017 Wrote:  

(12-22-2023 02:13 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(12-22-2023 12:47 PM)ODU2017 Wrote:  

(12-22-2023 12:30 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(12-22-2023 11:25 AM)Dukes_Royals Wrote:  $32k at JMU includes room and board and meals. And the $15,000 in athletic training is a like your employer providing your office, laptop, HR, etc... It is required for them to be able to do their job.

And people need to remember being a D1 athlete is a minimum a 40 hour a week job if not more. I played D3 athletics and that was a 20+ hours commitment year round (more while in season).

It's also of their own free will.

People collectively pay $1 billion annually to watch athletes perform. The schools keep 100% of this and decide how it should be spent.

If the schools don’t have to hold themselves to an amateur standard why should the athletes?

The schools have the free will to not accept media money and go back to the amateur standard enforced pre-1984. Why don’t they? Why don’t the schools artificially limit their income just like the athletes?

Only the top few conferences in sports earn any kind of revenue from their media contracts.

As shown above athletes get paid in scholarship, healthcare, free food, free rooming, stipend, before anything else. It's well above minimum wage even at the cheapest of schools.

Only the top few % of schools make enough from their media contracts to be getting more than than the tens of thousands in free stuff the athletes already get.

The Sun Belt certainly does not atm.

And yes coaches shouldn't be making millions either. Unfortunately there is just no way to stop the out of control spending there.

Also the schools do not get a full share of that 1 billion. The tv networks keep a significant share and then give almost all of the rest to a handful of conferences. Of which the Sun Belt is not one of.

My mistake, the power five schools combined for $3.3 billion in revenue paid to them in 2022.

If this is an amateur sport why are the schools selling out for so much money? Why don’t they renounce the money in the name of amateurism as the athletes are asked to?

Under the same reasoning, schools could easily tell coaches - hey no one gets rich from a career coaching amateurs. You want big money, coach the pros. Your salary is capped at the cost of living. - What reasoning makes it ok to pay amateur coaches seven figures and amateur athletes zero?

Again, the schools overprice amenities and then give them to athletes and claim they are paying millions in equivalent compensation but they are not. They are paying athletes zero.

First it's a Sun Belt board. So the quotes about what is wrong with power 5 salaries should be directed at them. Not here.

Second this might be the first time I've ever heard the theory that college is expensive because they are pricing it so high to make it "seem" like they are compensating athletes a bunch when they in actuality are not. That is a pretty interesting.... "opinion".

-The Universities/colleges that don't sponsor P5 teams are also insanely expensive.
-A scholarship/free healthcare/several thousand in stipend is not zero money for athletes as you claim. That is worth tens of thousands. I worked a full time job while in college and over 60 hours a week on summer/fall/winter breaks. I had a half ride scholarship and went to one of the cheaper schools. I still could not cover anywhere close to half my expenses that athletes get for free. The same athletes I'm supposed to feel sorry for for them getting exploited while I had less than $2 a day to spend on food. But, ya sure I'm supposed to believe athletes are getting nothing here.

On top of all that the biggest expense in college sports is travel. Once travel, healthcare, administration expenses, scholarships, facilities, etc. get taken into account the coaches and AD get very little of the budget left over. Especially for Sun Belt schools. I would agree they still get paid too much. But, that's a separate issue from athlete pay.

TBH the double down on this, especially claiming that athletes get paid zero. It's quite the opinion...

"But the coaches and schools make lots of money"

Well, maybe the disbursements that schools get from media contracts beyond $10 million should have to go to tuition rebates or back into the university endowment.

It shouldn't be the NCAA's responsibility to create semi-pro leagues for high school basketball and football players that should be in developmental leagues.

(12-22-2023 05:18 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(12-22-2023 04:14 PM)ODU2017 Wrote:  

(12-22-2023 02:13 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(12-22-2023 12:47 PM)ODU2017 Wrote:  

(12-22-2023 12:30 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  It's also of their own free will.

People collectively pay $1 billion annually to watch athletes perform. The schools keep 100% of this and decide how it should be spent.

If the schools don’t have to hold themselves to an amateur standard why should the athletes?

The schools have the free will to not accept media money and go back to the amateur standard enforced pre-1984. Why don’t they? Why don’t the schools artificially limit their income just like the athletes?

Only the top few conferences in sports earn any kind of revenue from their media contracts.

As shown above athletes get paid in scholarship, healthcare, free food, free rooming, stipend, before anything else. It's well above minimum wage even at the cheapest of schools.

Only the top few % of schools make enough from their media contracts to be getting more than than the tens of thousands in free stuff the athletes already get.

The Sun Belt certainly does not atm.

And yes coaches shouldn't be making millions either. Unfortunately there is just no way to stop the out of control spending there.

Also the schools do not get a full share of that 1 billion. The tv networks keep a significant share and then give almost all of the rest to a handful of conferences. Of which the Sun Belt is not one of.

My mistake, the power five schools combined for $3.3 billion in revenue paid to them in 2022.

If this is an amateur sport why are the schools selling out for so much money? Why don’t they renounce the money in the name of amateurism as the athletes are asked to?

Under the same reasoning, schools could easily tell coaches - hey no one gets rich from a career coaching amateurs. You want big money, coach the pros. Your salary is capped at the cost of living. - What reasoning makes it ok to pay amateur coaches seven figures and amateur athletes zero?

Again, the schools overprice amenities and then give them to athletes and claim they are paying millions in equivalent compensation but they are not. They are paying athletes zero.

First it's a Sun Belt board. So the quotes about what is wrong with power 5 salaries should be directed at them. Not here.

Second this might be the first time I've ever heard the theory that college is expensive because they are pricing it so high to make it "seem" like they are compensating athletes a bunch when they in actuality are not. That is a pretty interesting.... "opinion".

-The Universities/colleges that don't sponsor P5 teams are also insanely expensive.
-A scholarship/free healthcare/several thousand in stipend is not zero money for athletes as you claim. That is worth tens of thousands. I worked a full time job while in college and over 60 hours a week on summer/fall/winter breaks. I had a half ride scholarship and went to one of the cheaper schools. I still could not cover anywhere close to half my expenses that athletes get for free. The same athletes I'm supposed to feel sorry for for them getting exploited while I had less than $2 a day to spend on food. But, ya sure I'm supposed to believe athletes are getting nothing here.

On top of all that the biggest expense in college sports is travel. Once travel, healthcare, administration expenses, scholarships, facilities, etc. get taken into account the coaches and AD get very little of the budget left over. Especially for Sun Belt schools. I would agree they still get paid too much. But, that's a separate issue from athlete pay.

TBH the double down on this, especially claiming that athletes get paid zero. It's quite the opinion...

All schools overprice amenities to jack up their earnings from federal loans. It’s a complete scam.

I never said only athletes should be paid more. Your atrocious deal is why colleges should pay all student workers more. Colleges love riding on students and residents for all kinds of uncompensated labor. And some now have more administrators (average salary = six figures) than students. Complete BS system.

But the issue at hand is this. The same reasoning that allows coaches to earn millions, must be applied to athletes. Both are responsible for bringing in revenue and notoriety to a school. As for athletes, they are compensated well under their fair market value. What I want is for schools to recognize this and foot the bill openly instead of this clownish NIL tip jar scheme.

(12-22-2023 05:32 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  "But the coaches and schools make lots of money"

Well, maybe the disbursements that schools get from media contracts beyond $10 million should have to go to tuition rebates or back into the university endowment.

It shouldn't be the NCAA's responsibility to create semi-pro leagues for high school basketball and football players that should be in developmental leagues.

Restrictions on school media earnings existed pre-1984 and schools sued the NCAA to repeal the cap (under much of the same reasoning athletes use today). See Board of Regents of the University of Oklahoma vs. NCAA. I think the argument that the NCAA membership is sponsoring amateur sport died with that ruling.

Either schools and athletes both have limits on their earnings or neither do. To argue in favor of one will inevitably allow the other.

(12-22-2023 05:40 PM)ODU2017 Wrote:  

(12-22-2023 05:32 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  "But the coaches and schools make lots of money"

Well, maybe the disbursements that schools get from media contracts beyond $10 million should have to go to tuition rebates or back into the university endowment.

It shouldn't be the NCAA's responsibility to create semi-pro leagues for high school basketball and football players that should be in developmental leagues.

Restrictions on school media earnings existed pre-1984 and schools sued the NCAA to repeal the cap (under much of the same reasoning athletes use today). See Board of Regents of the University of Oklahoma vs. NCAA. I think the argument that the NCAA membership is sponsoring amateur sport died with that ruling.

Either schools and athletes both have limits on their earnings or neither do. To argue in favor of one will inevitably allow the other.

I think both should have limits on their earnings and that ruling isn't a reason to blow up college sports so we'll have to settle for just one of those.

BTW, do you remember in the covid season when everyone was asking if the G5 could afford to play football? It turned out the real question was whether or not they could afford to NOT play football. Did the players get anything in return for preventing a covidpocalypse on G5 athletic budgets? When you sign to play college you agree to that arrangement. The NCAA needs to be in charge of running an organization for student athletes, not running a pro league. If elite high school basketball and football players have no where to make money right after graduation that's a problem to take up with the NFL and NBA, not with the NCAA.

(12-22-2023 05:35 PM)ODU2017 Wrote:  

(12-22-2023 05:18 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(12-22-2023 04:14 PM)ODU2017 Wrote:  

(12-22-2023 02:13 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(12-22-2023 12:47 PM)ODU2017 Wrote:  People collectively pay $1 billion annually to watch athletes perform. The schools keep 100% of this and decide how it should be spent.

If the schools don’t have to hold themselves to an amateur standard why should the athletes?

The schools have the free will to not accept media money and go back to the amateur standard enforced pre-1984. Why don’t they? Why don’t the schools artificially limit their income just like the athletes?

Only the top few conferences in sports earn any kind of revenue from their media contracts.

As shown above athletes get paid in scholarship, healthcare, free food, free rooming, stipend, before anything else. It's well above minimum wage even at the cheapest of schools.

Only the top few % of schools make enough from their media contracts to be getting more than than the tens of thousands in free stuff the athletes already get.

The Sun Belt certainly does not atm.

And yes coaches shouldn't be making millions either. Unfortunately there is just no way to stop the out of control spending there.

Also the schools do not get a full share of that 1 billion. The tv networks keep a significant share and then give almost all of the rest to a handful of conferences. Of which the Sun Belt is not one of.

My mistake, the power five schools combined for $3.3 billion in revenue paid to them in 2022.

If this is an amateur sport why are the schools selling out for so much money? Why don’t they renounce the money in the name of amateurism as the athletes are asked to?

Under the same reasoning, schools could easily tell coaches - hey no one gets rich from a career coaching amateurs. You want big money, coach the pros. Your salary is capped at the cost of living. - What reasoning makes it ok to pay amateur coaches seven figures and amateur athletes zero?

Again, the schools overprice amenities and then give them to athletes and claim they are paying millions in equivalent compensation but they are not. They are paying athletes zero.

First it's a Sun Belt board. So the quotes about what is wrong with power 5 salaries should be directed at them. Not here.

Second this might be the first time I've ever heard the theory that college is expensive because they are pricing it so high to make it "seem" like they are compensating athletes a bunch when they in actuality are not. That is a pretty interesting.... "opinion".

-The Universities/colleges that don't sponsor P5 teams are also insanely expensive.
-A scholarship/free healthcare/several thousand in stipend is not zero money for athletes as you claim. That is worth tens of thousands. I worked a full time job while in college and over 60 hours a week on summer/fall/winter breaks. I had a half ride scholarship and went to one of the cheaper schools. I still could not cover anywhere close to half my expenses that athletes get for free. The same athletes I'm supposed to feel sorry for for them getting exploited while I had less than $2 a day to spend on food. But, ya sure I'm supposed to believe athletes are getting nothing here.

On top of all that the biggest expense in college sports is travel. Once travel, healthcare, administration expenses, scholarships, facilities, etc. get taken into account the coaches and AD get very little of the budget left over. Especially for Sun Belt schools. I would agree they still get paid too much. But, that's a separate issue from athlete pay.

TBH the double down on this, especially claiming that athletes get paid zero. It's quite the opinion...

All schools overprice amenities to jack up their earnings from federal loans. It’s a complete scam.

I never said only athletes should be paid more. Your atrocious deal is why colleges should pay all student workers more. Colleges love riding on students and residents for all kinds of uncompensated labor. And some now have more administrators (average salary = six figures) than students. Complete BS system.

But the issue at hand is this. The same reasoning that allows coaches to earn millions, must be applied to athletes. Both are responsible for bringing in revenue and notoriety to a school. As for athletes, they are compensated well under their fair market value. What I want is for schools to recognize this and foot the bill openly instead of this clownish NIL tip jar scheme.

It doesn't matter whether you think it's a scam or not. The cost of going to these schools is tens of thousands of dollars. Everyone else has to pay that. The athletes do not. That is tens of thousands of dollars given to them whether you think it's a fair price or not.

Also for Sun Belt schools very little come from ticket sales and media rights combined. Southern Miss is the only school where those 2 combined even make over 10% of the budget. So the tens of thousands they get in scholarships, free healthcare, room and board, and meals being paid for covers what the school actually generates since most of the rest is student fees and government support.

If you want to talk about schools where they are generating tens of millions in ticket sales and media rights then P5 boards here.

Otherwise none the arguments pertain to schools in the Sun Belt. Since the athletes here do not generate enough money in ticket sales or media rights to run the programs themselves anyway.

(12-21-2023 11:32 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  Kid better hope his career pans out or he'll be on the hook for that lambo.

Never will forget Marcus Dupree tooling around Hattiesburg in his ragged out Testarosa.

(12-21-2023 09:27 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 11:21 AM)EagleFWB Wrote:  This is just crazy.... They've ruined college athletics

https://twitter.com/On3Recruits/status/1...02898?s=20

dayum, dog ... how the heck are ya?!

try this on for size ... take a wild guess what Kiffin and ol' pissy's NIL $$$ paid Gerquan Scott ... whatever you think it might be ... triple it, then double it ........... yeah, brah!

when does baseball season start?

I know they pay that Judkin kid $900,000/yr. The car is chump change. What amazes me is that grown successful men measure their privates by some 18 year old playing a college sport. Incredible really.

I laugh when I hear people bringing up the NCAA.
When is the last time you heard a FBS player deemed ineligible because of grades? They are already professional players. Take this kid in the Lamborghini, think he will make his grades? Oh yeah, of course he will.

(12-22-2023 09:06 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  I laugh when I hear people bringing up the NCAA.
When is the last time you heard a FBS player deemed ineligible because of grades? They are already professional players. Take this kid in the Lamborghini, think he will make his grades? Oh yeah, of course he will.

A quick Google search turns up lots of results. But, I actually remember this one being talked about briefly in the local news. From just 3 days ago (to answer when was the last time I heard it happen.)https://www.si.com/college/olemiss/footb...tany-lions
I'm not going to say that there isn't any cheating going, but players do get deemed ineligible all the time in the FBS for grades.

(12-22-2023 08:29 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(12-22-2023 05:35 PM)ODU2017 Wrote:  

(12-22-2023 05:18 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(12-22-2023 04:14 PM)ODU2017 Wrote:  

(12-22-2023 02:13 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  Only the top few conferences in sports earn any kind of revenue from their media contracts.

As shown above athletes get paid in scholarship, healthcare, free food, free rooming, stipend, before anything else. It's well above minimum wage even at the cheapest of schools.

Only the top few % of schools make enough from their media contracts to be getting more than than the tens of thousands in free stuff the athletes already get.

The Sun Belt certainly does not atm.

And yes coaches shouldn't be making millions either. Unfortunately there is just no way to stop the out of control spending there.

Also the schools do not get a full share of that 1 billion. The tv networks keep a significant share and then give almost all of the rest to a handful of conferences. Of which the Sun Belt is not one of.

My mistake, the power five schools combined for $3.3 billion in revenue paid to them in 2022.

If this is an amateur sport why are the schools selling out for so much money? Why don’t they renounce the money in the name of amateurism as the athletes are asked to?

Under the same reasoning, schools could easily tell coaches - hey no one gets rich from a career coaching amateurs. You want big money, coach the pros. Your salary is capped at the cost of living. - What reasoning makes it ok to pay amateur coaches seven figures and amateur athletes zero?

Again, the schools overprice amenities and then give them to athletes and claim they are paying millions in equivalent compensation but they are not. They are paying athletes zero.

First it's a Sun Belt board. So the quotes about what is wrong with power 5 salaries should be directed at them. Not here.

Second this might be the first time I've ever heard the theory that college is expensive because they are pricing it so high to make it "seem" like they are compensating athletes a bunch when they in actuality are not. That is a pretty interesting.... "opinion".

-The Universities/colleges that don't sponsor P5 teams are also insanely expensive.
-A scholarship/free healthcare/several thousand in stipend is not zero money for athletes as you claim. That is worth tens of thousands. I worked a full time job while in college and over 60 hours a week on summer/fall/winter breaks. I had a half ride scholarship and went to one of the cheaper schools. I still could not cover anywhere close to half my expenses that athletes get for free. The same athletes I'm supposed to feel sorry for for them getting exploited while I had less than $2 a day to spend on food. But, ya sure I'm supposed to believe athletes are getting nothing here.

On top of all that the biggest expense in college sports is travel. Once travel, healthcare, administration expenses, scholarships, facilities, etc. get taken into account the coaches and AD get very little of the budget left over. Especially for Sun Belt schools. I would agree they still get paid too much. But, that's a separate issue from athlete pay.

TBH the double down on this, especially claiming that athletes get paid zero. It's quite the opinion...

All schools overprice amenities to jack up their earnings from federal loans. It’s a complete scam.

I never said only athletes should be paid more. Your atrocious deal is why colleges should pay all student workers more. Colleges love riding on students and residents for all kinds of uncompensated labor. And some now have more administrators (average salary = six figures) than students. Complete BS system.

But the issue at hand is this. The same reasoning that allows coaches to earn millions, must be applied to athletes. Both are responsible for bringing in revenue and notoriety to a school. As for athletes, they are compensated well under their fair market value. What I want is for schools to recognize this and foot the bill openly instead of this clownish NIL tip jar scheme.

It doesn't matter whether you think it's a scam or not. The cost of going to these schools is tens of thousands of dollars. Everyone else has to pay that. The athletes do not. That is tens of thousands of dollars given to them whether you think it's a fair price or not.

Also for Sun Belt schools very little come from ticket sales and media rights combined. Southern Miss is the only school where those 2 combined even make over 10% of the budget. So the tens of thousands they get in scholarships, free healthcare, room and board, and meals being paid for covers what the school actually generates since most of the rest is student fees and government support.

If you want to talk about schools where they are generating tens of millions in ticket sales and media rights then P5 boards here.

Otherwise none the arguments pertain to schools in the Sun Belt. Since the athletes here do not generate enough money in ticket sales or media rights to run the programs themselves anyway.

It’s commonly accepted in 2024 that the cost of college is outrageously inflated. The true cost of attendance is far beneath what students pay. I don’t think you would try to argue against that. More specifically the price of regular admission is increased to compensate for scholarships so no you can’t count that as equivalent to cash reimbursement.

And last I checked FBS had one unified set of rules for athletes and the Sun Belt is an FBS conference. Are you out here claiming the SBC sponsors FBS football and has a media deal with ESPN as some kind of charitable endeavor to enrich the athletes?

The fact is that any FBS schools including Sun Belt schools make more money playing FBS football than not. The cost of the FBS transition and conference realignment is driven by business decisions. It’s completely fine that it’s a business but businesses must fairly pay their workers.

I think we should just get rid of APR and get rid of all academic eligibility requirements. They're just oppressive, unfair relics of a bygone era of amateurism. Let's all just drop the pretense of a student athlete now, amiright?