(12-21-2023 10:00 AM)Usajags Wrote:  The B1G and SEC can’t offer, it could be seen as tampering. So they’ll sit back and wait to see what happens. If they can weasel their way out of the ACC, the invite will come.

ICYMI, here's a quote two weeks ago from Pete Thamel aka ESPN's spokesmen on realignment:

"I would think the SEC would be happy to sit at 16 for a while because they really like their footprint. There's enough intimacy. They have a region right now. The only thing that disrupts that is if they have to play defense because they don't want the Big Ten to come into their region."

Let the fun begin.

(12-21-2023 10:31 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Things are about to get very interesting.

What did Lane Kiffin say before the Alabama game last year? Get the popcorn ready.....

I can't wait for more blister and complaining and then doing nothing. Going to be a great 7 to 10 years

(12-21-2023 10:53 AM)LeeNobody Wrote:  I can't wait for more blister and complaining and then doing nothing. Going to be a great 7 to 10 years

I mean they are going to challenge it in court, it will be up to what the Judge says

(12-21-2023 10:54 AM)Glenn360 Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 10:53 AM)LeeNobody Wrote:  I can't wait for more blister and complaining and then doing nothing. Going to be a great 7 to 10 years

I mean they are going to challenge it in court, it will be up to what the Judge says

Hopefully they don't get a judge with a degree from a G5 university.

"So you mean to tell me, a conference network included in the media contract north of $40m/year + incentives—which you were well aware of signing—doesn't pay enough money? You're upset because you didn't receive an at-large bid to an invitational football tournament?"

(12-21-2023 10:48 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 10:00 AM)Usajags Wrote:  The B1G and SEC can’t offer, it could be seen as tampering. So they’ll sit back and wait to see what happens. If they can weasel their way out of the ACC, the invite will come.

ICYMI, here's a quote two weeks ago from Pete Thamel aka ESPN's spokesmen on realignment:

"I would think the SEC would be happy to sit at 16 for a while because they really like their footprint. There's enough intimacy. They have a region right now. The only thing that disrupts that is if they have to play defense because they don't want the Big Ten to come into their region."

This has long been my observation. ESPN, the SEC and the ACC may not *want* FSU (or others to leave or disrupt the status quo). But, if they continue to keep FSU, a proven top-20 brand/revenue generator in one of the most growing states in the country, behind and out of the SEC, it will naturally drive them towards the competitor (FOX and the B1G). For select other schools (namely, Clemson, Miami and North Carolina), it becomes how long can they be content with earning significantly less than the P2, when if they were on the open market, it is very likely that a grouping of the schools gets immediately invited.

One way or another, the ACC will not remain in its current form come 2036. A number of schools will leave for the B1G/SEC. The only questions would be who and when. The clock is ticking.

(12-21-2023 10:48 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 10:00 AM)Usajags Wrote:  The B1G and SEC can’t offer, it could be seen as tampering. So they’ll sit back and wait to see what happens. If they can weasel their way out of the ACC, the invite will come.

ICYMI, here's a quote two weeks ago from Pete Thamel aka ESPN's spokesmen on realignment:

"I would think the SEC would be happy to sit at 16 for a while because they really like their footprint. There's enough intimacy. They have a region right now. The only thing that disrupts that is if they have to play defense because they don't want the Big Ten to come into their region."

IMO, while I think the SEC has played the recent realignment game much better than the B1G, the B1G's willingness to go way out west has created the strategic ripple of forcing the SEC to think about defending their own back yard.

This has greatly benefitted FSU and Clemson, as IMO the SEC would be happy to leave them in the ACC if not for the threat that they could join the B1G.

So IMO, what Thamel talks about is the biggest reason the SEC are likely interested in both, especially FSU. The B1G threat is why the SEC has gone from the indifference towards FSU of 10 or even 5 or even 3 years ago, to IMO likely being willing to invite them immediately if they are able to get out of their ACC obligations.

(12-21-2023 10:53 AM)LeeNobody Wrote:  I can't wait for more blister and complaining and then doing nothing. Going to be a great 7 to 10 years

This is not just bluster.
They're going to court

I think they'll get wrecked by the judge, but this is real.

I think this is a blunder on the scale of University of Utah president and his professor pushing fur $50m a school
But I understand why obviously

SMU was the final straw for the Noles...

BOT should be dicussing Okla sch
5 schools with douple digit wins, Tenn with 9 wins and 1 school with losing record

FSU & Clemson are not going to be marque schools in SEC
you fall in line behind Tex, Ala, Ga, Tenn, Fla, LSU, TexA&M

struggle, you lose your fan base, donations, end up in Birmingham bowl
be carefull what u wish for [Nebraska]

(12-21-2023 10:54 AM)Glenn360 Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 10:53 AM)LeeNobody Wrote:  I can't wait for more blister and complaining and then doing nothing. Going to be a great 7 to 10 years

I mean they are going to challenge it in court, it will be up to what the Judge says

It will be decided in a North Carolina State Court.

(12-21-2023 12:13 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  BOT should be dicussing Okla sch
5 schools with douple digit wins, Tenn with 9 wins and 1 school with losing record

FSU & Clemson are not going to be marque schools in SEC
you fall in line behind Tex, Ala, Ga, Tenn, Fla, LSU, TexA&M

struggle, you lose your fan base, donations, end up in Birmingham bowl
be carefull what u wish for [Nebraska]

This could end up being the most prescient post 15 years from now.

(12-21-2023 12:29 PM)XLance Wrote:  It will be decided in a North Carolina State Court.

How would that court rule if UNC, NC State and Duke have been a promised (cough, cough) a spot in the SEC once they're untangled from John Swofford's GoR?

Half want out. FSU just dgaf about looking like the bad guy.

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(12-21-2023 12:00 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  SMU was the final straw for the Noles...

No. Missing the playoffs was the final straw.

(12-21-2023 09:09 AM)stever20 Wrote:  It's athletic piece so not linking it but Nicole Auerbach from them with this-
BREAKING: Florida State has scheduled an emergency meeting of its Board of Trustees for Friday morning.

This is the first concrete step needed in any effort to enable the school to take legal action against the ACC to challenge the grant of rights.

The FSU Board of Trustees just scheduled a 10 am ET virtual meeting for Friday morning. Due to the state's sunshine law, the meeting will be accessible to the media and public to watch: https://trustees.fsu.edu/meetings

It's real simple. A lawsuit costs 10's of millions, a buyout costs 100s of millions. If you really want to leave which makes the most sense?

Now to Quo Vadis, the SEC was not disinterested in Florida State in 1991 when they made them an offer. They were not disinterested in Florida State in 2011 when the renegotiation clause imposed by ESPN in their contract required them to make two adds from new footprints. And they aren't necessarily disinterested now, though of the three times now is more suspicious. How many teams are we talking here? If it's just 2 and ESPN is assured of retaining the ACC if FSU and Clemson depart then yes it's the SEC. If it's four there are more pressing issues than Florida State. And, Miami is an option as #4. If ESPN thinks the ACC is about to blow wide open then it's 6 to 8 and FSU would absolutely be among them.

But consider this, if FSU wants out this badly, and the SEC and ESPN can't be seen as colluding to retain them, perhaps they are sacrificed as FOX relieves ESPN of having to crack their own product for movement. Perhaps FSU heads North, Miami becomes the SEC's #2 Florida school, and UNC, N.C. State, and Virginia Tech join the SEC with them. And Virginia joins FSU in the Big 10. Both move to 20. Now FOX gets the real benefit, they get almost 50% of those headed to the Big 12, think 6 (Louisville, Pitt, Syracuse, Georgia Tech, Cal and Stanford) Notre Dame remains independent and schedules games in all 3 remaining conferences.

Speculation, sure, but at no time previous to now has the SEC ever been disinterested in FSU. Why would FSU head to the Big 10 and Miami to the SEC when the opposite would be more rational? FSU carries 35% of the Florida college sports viewers, UF carries around 42%, and on a great year Miami carries about 19% and on a bad one about 15%. The Big 10's best market grab for the state of Florida is still FSU. The SEC best grab defensively outside of FSU is Miami. The Big 10 gets into the market the best way available to them and the SEC retains the majority with Miami (and adds a region of Florida where they were weakest).

(12-21-2023 12:42 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 12:29 PM)XLance Wrote:  It will be decided in a North Carolina State Court.

How would that court rule if UNC, NC State and Duke have been a promised (cough, cough) a spot in the SEC once they're untangled from John Swofford's GoR?

Most of the Judges are Wake Forest Law school grads.

(12-21-2023 10:30 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  Maybe Kirk Herbstreit knew something back in June ...

"Who's going where? Where's North Carolina going? Where's Oregon going? ("There will be no further Big Ten expansion without Notre Dame" Whoops. Ducks to the the Big Ten in 2024) Where's Washington going ("FOX isn't going to pay for Washington and Oregon to move to the B1G" Oof. Huskies to the Big Ten in '24)? Where's Clemson gonna end up? Where's Florida State gonna go? Where's Miami (going)? There's so much to me that's fascinating. I'm sure it won't happen during the (football) season — (or) maybe it will — that I'm guessing it happens after this year ... I think it's gonna be a fascinating time (when) we sit here and talk next June getting ready for the '24 season."

Maybe Herb should have said, ESPN's slogan in 2024 will be 2 x 24 in 24. His purpose in making that statement was likely the spread of general information as speculation. The remarks were hinting at a timeline more than an outcome.

(12-21-2023 12:48 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 09:09 AM)stever20 Wrote:  It's athletic piece so not linking it but Nicole Auerbach from them with this-
BREAKING: Florida State has scheduled an emergency meeting of its Board of Trustees for Friday morning.

This is the first concrete step needed in any effort to enable the school to take legal action against the ACC to challenge the grant of rights.

The FSU Board of Trustees just scheduled a 10 am ET virtual meeting for Friday morning. Due to the state's sunshine law, the meeting will be accessible to the media and public to watch: https://trustees.fsu.edu/meetings

It's real simple. A lawsuit costs 10's of millions, a buyout costs 100s of millions. If you really want to leave which makes the most sense?

Now to Quo Vadis, the SEC was not disinterested in Florida State in 1991 when they made them an offer. They were not disinterested in Florida State in 2011 when the renegotiation clause imposed by ESPN in their contract required them to make two adds from new footprints. And they aren't necessarily disinterested now, though of the three times now is more suspicious. How many teams are we talking here? If it's just 2 and ESPN is assured of retaining the ACC if FSU and Clemson depart then yes it's the SEC. If it's four there are more pressing issues than Florida State. And, Miami is an option as #4. If ESPN thinks the ACC is about to blow wide open then it's 6 to 8 and FSU would absolutely be among them.

But consider this, if FSU wants out this badly, and the SEC and ESPN can't be seen as colluding to retain them, perhaps they are sacrificed as FOX relieves ESPN of having to crack their own product for movement. Perhaps FSU heads North, Miami becomes the SEC's #2 Florida school, and UNC, N.C. State, and Virginia Tech join the SEC with them. And Virginia joins FSU in the Big 10. Both move to 20. Now FOX gets the real benefit, they get almost 50% of those headed to the Big 12, think 6 (Louisville, Pitt, Syracuse, Georgia Tech, Cal and Stanford) Notre Dame remains independent and schedules games in all 3 remaining conferences.

Speculation, sure, but at no time previous to now has the SEC ever been disinterested in FSU. Why would FSU head to the Big 10 and Miami to the SEC when the opposite would be more rational? FSU carries 35% of the Florida college sports viewers, UF carries around 42%, and on a great year Miami carries about 19% and on a bad one about 15%. The Big 10's best market grab for the state of Florida is still FSU. The SEC best grab defensively outside of FSU is Miami. The Big 10 gets into the market the best way available to them and the SEC retains the majority with Miami (and adds a region of Florida where they were weakest).

In that scenario would Notre Dame olympics stay in the ACC, join the B1G, Big East, or somewhere else?