This is so weird.

So in prior seasons guys who entered the portal would have been off the team. This year guys who are entering the portal due to lack of playing time (transferring down) are being put in the 1/2-deep for the bowl. Even the starting QB will be at a different school in January.

The coaches are giving them a chance to show out and find a decent landing spot. I guess this is how you handle cuts in the portal era.

This is so weird.

So in prior seasons guys who entered the portal would have been off the team. This year guys who are entering the portal due to lack of playing time (transferring down) are being put in the 1/2-deep for the bowl. Even the starting QB will be at a different school in January.

The coaches are giving them a chance to show out and find a decent landing spot. I guess this is how you handle cuts in the portal era.

(12-18-2023 06:50 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(12-18-2023 06:31 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(12-18-2023 04:00 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  Really bleak showing from CUSA in the bowls. The most lopsided loss for a G5 team in a major bowl in either the CFP or BCS era was Hawaii in 07. They lost to Georgia 41-10. I think Liberty is in real danger of beating that mark in their game with Oregon.

C-USA is 2-1 in bowls, with two wins over the Sun Belt (highest rated G5)

They have the G-5 Rep, which all the other conference would like to have.

Two wins over 6-7 teams. Big whoop. Their 2nd place team got their head handed to them by a middle of the pack MWC team. Liberty is the least deserving G5 rep we’ve ever had. They’d have had 2-3 losses playing out of any of the other G5 leagues this year.

Shades of Ty Pennington here: "MOVE THAT GOALPOST!"

(12-19-2023 12:25 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  This is so weird.

So in prior seasons guys who entered the portal would have been off the team. This year guys who are entering the portal due to lack of playing time (transferring down) are being put in the 1/2-deep for the bowl. Even the starting QB will be at a different school in January.

The coaches are giving them a chance to show out and find a decent landing spot. I guess this is how you handle cuts in the portal era.

It's up to the program. In this case, anyone who entered the portal for ODU was removed from the roster and team. WKU seemed to leave it up to them whether they'd play or not, even with some apparently on the sideline at the game.

(12-19-2023 12:51 PM)Keswick_Crusaders_Forever51 Wrote:  

(12-18-2023 06:50 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(12-18-2023 06:31 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(12-18-2023 04:00 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  Really bleak showing from CUSA in the bowls. The most lopsided loss for a G5 team in a major bowl in either the CFP or BCS era was Hawaii in 07. They lost to Georgia 41-10. I think Liberty is in real danger of beating that mark in their game with Oregon.

C-USA is 2-1 in bowls, with two wins over the Sun Belt (highest rated G5)

They have the G-5 Rep, which all the other conference would like to have.

Two wins over 6-7 teams. Big whoop. Their 2nd place team got their head handed to them by a middle of the pack MWC team. Liberty is the least deserving G5 rep we’ve ever had. They’d have had 2-3 losses playing out of any of the other G5 leagues this year.

Shades of Ty Pennington here: "MOVE THAT GOALPOST!"

Not really moving the goal posts. When I wrote that it was a bleak performance, yall were 1-1 as a league and WKU was getting blownout 28-0. The one win was over a 6-7 SBC team and the loss was your 2nd place team getting blown out by the MWC 6th place team.

(12-19-2023 01:21 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 12:51 PM)Keswick_Crusaders_Forever51 Wrote:  

(12-18-2023 06:50 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(12-18-2023 06:31 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(12-18-2023 04:00 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  Really bleak showing from CUSA in the bowls. The most lopsided loss for a G5 team in a major bowl in either the CFP or BCS era was Hawaii in 07. They lost to Georgia 41-10. I think Liberty is in real danger of beating that mark in their game with Oregon.

C-USA is 2-1 in bowls, with two wins over the Sun Belt (highest rated G5)

They have the G-5 Rep, which all the other conference would like to have.

Two wins over 6-7 teams. Big whoop. Their 2nd place team got their head handed to them by a middle of the pack MWC team. Liberty is the least deserving G5 rep we’ve ever had. They’d have had 2-3 losses playing out of any of the other G5 leagues this year.

Shades of Ty Pennington here: "MOVE THAT GOALPOST!"

Not really moving the goal posts. When I wrote that it was a bleak performance, yall were 1-1 as a league and WKU was getting blownout 28-0. The one win was over a 6-7 SBC team and the loss was your 2nd place team getting blown out by the MWC 6th place team.

Youve been given CUSA hell all year and now that its turned out to not be true, your just digging in. So was SBC not that great or why did ODU only lose to JMU by 3 and WKU by 3? SBCs champ only beat ULL by 7 with no TOs, we spotted them 21 and won by 3. CUSA wasnt the low man on the pole you have wished for all season. You can still cheer for Oregon to beat Liberty a CUSA team but we will have one playing in a NY6 bowl.

(12-19-2023 01:59 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 01:21 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 12:51 PM)Keswick_Crusaders_Forever51 Wrote:  

(12-18-2023 06:50 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(12-18-2023 06:31 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  C-USA is 2-1 in bowls, with two wins over the Sun Belt (highest rated G5)

They have the G-5 Rep, which all the other conference would like to have.

Two wins over 6-7 teams. Big whoop. Their 2nd place team got their head handed to them by a middle of the pack MWC team. Liberty is the least deserving G5 rep we’ve ever had. They’d have had 2-3 losses playing out of any of the other G5 leagues this year.

Shades of Ty Pennington here: "MOVE THAT GOALPOST!"

Not really moving the goal posts. When I wrote that it was a bleak performance, yall were 1-1 as a league and WKU was getting blownout 28-0. The one win was over a 6-7 SBC team and the loss was your 2nd place team getting blown out by the MWC 6th place team.

Youve been given CUSA hell all year and now that its turned out to not be true, your just digging in. So was SBC not that great or why did ODU only lose to JMU by 3 and WKU by 3? SBCs champ only beat ULL by 7 with no TOs, we spotted them 21 and won by 3. CUSA wasnt the low man on the pole you have wished for all season. You can still cheer for Oregon to beat Liberty a CUSA team but we will have one playing in a NY6 bowl.

I haven't given CUSA hell all year. I've made a couple posts in the last couple weeks talking about how weak the league is because I felt Liberty was undeserving of the NY6 spot. I felt like Liberty would have had multiple losses if they played in any other G5 league. That feeling was validated when I watched the CUSA runner up lose to the 6th place MWC team by 27. I'll pull for Liberty because I always pull for the underdog in a match up like that. But there were better teams that could've been selected.

(12-19-2023 02:18 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 01:59 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 01:21 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 12:51 PM)Keswick_Crusaders_Forever51 Wrote:  

(12-18-2023 06:50 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  Two wins over 6-7 teams. Big whoop. Their 2nd place team got their head handed to them by a middle of the pack MWC team. Liberty is the least deserving G5 rep we’ve ever had. They’d have had 2-3 losses playing out of any of the other G5 leagues this year.

Shades of Ty Pennington here: "MOVE THAT GOALPOST!"

Not really moving the goal posts. When I wrote that it was a bleak performance, yall were 1-1 as a league and WKU was getting blownout 28-0. The one win was over a 6-7 SBC team and the loss was your 2nd place team getting blown out by the MWC 6th place team.

Youve been given CUSA hell all year and now that its turned out to not be true, your just digging in. So was SBC not that great or why did ODU only lose to JMU by 3 and WKU by 3? SBCs champ only beat ULL by 7 with no TOs, we spotted them 21 and won by 3. CUSA wasnt the low man on the pole you have wished for all season. You can still cheer for Oregon to beat Liberty a CUSA team but we will have one playing in a NY6 bowl.

I haven't given CUSA hell all year. I've made a couple posts in the last couple weeks talking about how weak the league is because I felt Liberty was undeserving of the NY6 spot. I felt like Liberty would have had multiple losses if they played in any other G5 league. That feeling was validated when I watched the CUSA runner up lose to the 6th place MWC team by 27. I'll pull for Liberty because I always pull for the underdog in a match up like that. But there were better teams that could've been selected.

You also watched a CUSA team spot a 3 confernce loss (tied with 3rd best) SBC team 28 points and still win. Same team Liberty handled rather easily. Liberty handled the 2nd place CUSA team and the 3rd place team very easily.

Liberty may get manhandled by Oregon but they have the best G5 team this year.

(12-19-2023 02:30 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 02:18 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 01:59 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 01:21 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 12:51 PM)Keswick_Crusaders_Forever51 Wrote:  Shades of Ty Pennington here: "MOVE THAT GOALPOST!"

Not really moving the goal posts. When I wrote that it was a bleak performance, yall were 1-1 as a league and WKU was getting blownout 28-0. The one win was over a 6-7 SBC team and the loss was your 2nd place team getting blown out by the MWC 6th place team.

Youve been given CUSA hell all year and now that its turned out to not be true, your just digging in. So was SBC not that great or why did ODU only lose to JMU by 3 and WKU by 3? SBCs champ only beat ULL by 7 with no TOs, we spotted them 21 and won by 3. CUSA wasnt the low man on the pole you have wished for all season. You can still cheer for Oregon to beat Liberty a CUSA team but we will have one playing in a NY6 bowl.

I haven't given CUSA hell all year. I've made a couple posts in the last couple weeks talking about how weak the league is because I felt Liberty was undeserving of the NY6 spot. I felt like Liberty would have had multiple losses if they played in any other G5 league. That feeling was validated when I watched the CUSA runner up lose to the 6th place MWC team by 27. I'll pull for Liberty because I always pull for the underdog in a match up like that. But there were better teams that could've been selected.

You also watched a CUSA team spot a 3 confernce loss (tied with 3rd best) SBC team 28 points and still win. Same team Liberty handled rather easily. Liberty handled the 2nd place CUSA team and the 3rd place team very easily.

Liberty may get manhandled by Oregon but they have the best G5 team this year.

Liberty's played the 119th "best" schedule. That's 34 spots lower than any other G5 NY6 rep in the CFP era. I'll leave it at that.

(12-19-2023 02:56 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 02:30 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 02:18 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 01:59 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 01:21 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  Not really moving the goal posts. When I wrote that it was a bleak performance, yall were 1-1 as a league and WKU was getting blownout 28-0. The one win was over a 6-7 SBC team and the loss was your 2nd place team getting blown out by the MWC 6th place team.

Youve been given CUSA hell all year and now that its turned out to not be true, your just digging in. So was SBC not that great or why did ODU only lose to JMU by 3 and WKU by 3? SBCs champ only beat ULL by 7 with no TOs, we spotted them 21 and won by 3. CUSA wasnt the low man on the pole you have wished for all season. You can still cheer for Oregon to beat Liberty a CUSA team but we will have one playing in a NY6 bowl.

I haven't given CUSA hell all year. I've made a couple posts in the last couple weeks talking about how weak the league is because I felt Liberty was undeserving of the NY6 spot. I felt like Liberty would have had multiple losses if they played in any other G5 league. That feeling was validated when I watched the CUSA runner up lose to the 6th place MWC team by 27. I'll pull for Liberty because I always pull for the underdog in a match up like that. But there were better teams that could've been selected.

You also watched a CUSA team spot a 3 confernce loss (tied with 3rd best) SBC team 28 points and still win. Same team Liberty handled rather easily. Liberty handled the 2nd place CUSA team and the 3rd place team very easily.

Liberty may get manhandled by Oregon but they have the best G5 team this year.

Liberty's played the 119th "best" schedule. That's 34 spots lower than any other G5 NY6 rep in the CFP era. I'll leave it at that.

That’s not really unexpected. Now that the B12 has essentially become (or will be next year) the Go5 “Best Of” conference there isn’t a path to a strong schedule outside the current p4.

(12-19-2023 03:56 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 02:56 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 02:30 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 02:18 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 01:59 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  Youve been given CUSA hell all year and now that its turned out to not be true, your just digging in. So was SBC not that great or why did ODU only lose to JMU by 3 and WKU by 3? SBCs champ only beat ULL by 7 with no TOs, we spotted them 21 and won by 3. CUSA wasnt the low man on the pole you have wished for all season. You can still cheer for Oregon to beat Liberty a CUSA team but we will have one playing in a NY6 bowl.

I haven't given CUSA hell all year. I've made a couple posts in the last couple weeks talking about how weak the league is because I felt Liberty was undeserving of the NY6 spot. I felt like Liberty would have had multiple losses if they played in any other G5 league. That feeling was validated when I watched the CUSA runner up lose to the 6th place MWC team by 27. I'll pull for Liberty because I always pull for the underdog in a match up like that. But there were better teams that could've been selected.

You also watched a CUSA team spot a 3 confernce loss (tied with 3rd best) SBC team 28 points and still win. Same team Liberty handled rather easily. Liberty handled the 2nd place CUSA team and the 3rd place team very easily.

Liberty may get manhandled by Oregon but they have the best G5 team this year.

Liberty's played the 119th "best" schedule. That's 34 spots lower than any other G5 NY6 rep in the CFP era. I'll leave it at that.

That’s not really unexpected. Now that the B12 has essentially become (or will be next year) the Go5 “Best Of” conference there isn’t a path to a strong schedule outside the current p4.

Will not be long before it is the P2 then everyone else.

(12-19-2023 02:56 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 02:30 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 02:18 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 01:59 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 01:21 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  Not really moving the goal posts. When I wrote that it was a bleak performance, yall were 1-1 as a league and WKU was getting blownout 28-0. The one win was over a 6-7 SBC team and the loss was your 2nd place team getting blown out by the MWC 6th place team.

Youve been given CUSA hell all year and now that its turned out to not be true, your just digging in. So was SBC not that great or why did ODU only lose to JMU by 3 and WKU by 3? SBCs champ only beat ULL by 7 with no TOs, we spotted them 21 and won by 3. CUSA wasnt the low man on the pole you have wished for all season. You can still cheer for Oregon to beat Liberty a CUSA team but we will have one playing in a NY6 bowl.

I haven't given CUSA hell all year. I've made a couple posts in the last couple weeks talking about how weak the league is because I felt Liberty was undeserving of the NY6 spot. I felt like Liberty would have had multiple losses if they played in any other G5 league. That feeling was validated when I watched the CUSA runner up lose to the 6th place MWC team by 27. I'll pull for Liberty because I always pull for the underdog in a match up like that. But there were better teams that could've been selected.

You also watched a CUSA team spot a 3 confernce loss (tied with 3rd best) SBC team 28 points and still win. Same team Liberty handled rather easily. Liberty handled the 2nd place CUSA team and the 3rd place team very easily.

Liberty may get manhandled by Oregon but they have the best G5 team this year.

Liberty's played the 119th "best" schedule. That's 34 spots lower than any other G5 NY6 rep in the CFP era. I'll leave it at that.

IMO, Liberty is an extremely weak G5 rep. They got the bid because nobody else in the G5 was any good either. The AAC was way, way down, as were its top teams, and the MW was strong top to bottom, which created carnage.

IMO, this shows that going forward, there is no competitive reason to auto-include a G5 team in the playoffs. At this point, the extra auto-bid for conference champs is 100% political. The G5 really should have their own playoffs. Should have had them all along, I think.

(12-19-2023 05:46 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  IMO, this shows that going forward, there is no competitive reason to auto-include a G5 team in the playoffs.

It doesn't show anything.

It's one year (before the new system is even in place). We don't have an outcome yet (and I maintain that it's fine either way).

(12-19-2023 06:29 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 05:46 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  IMO, this shows that going forward, there is no competitive reason to auto-include a G5 team in the playoffs.

It doesn't show anything.

It's one year (before the new system is even in place). We don't have an outcome yet (and I maintain that it's fine either way).

IMO it is likely to be a representative year. The M2 have creamed off the top G5 teams. There is nobody out there that can conceivably compete with the best P5 teams. Heck, there was nobody out there in the G5 that could do so when teams like Cincy and UCF were still in the G5.

The idea that leftover G5 will "rise up" is IMO just not realistic. Rise up to where? Never will they rise up to be national title competitive.

The G5 should have its own playoffs, IMO.

(12-19-2023 06:44 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 06:29 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 05:46 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  IMO, this shows that going forward, there is no competitive reason to auto-include a G5 team in the playoffs.

It doesn't show anything.

It's one year (before the new system is even in place). We don't have an outcome yet (and I maintain that it's fine either way).

IMO it is likely to be a representative year. The M2 have creamed off the top G5 teams. There is nobody out there that can conceivably compete with the best P5 teams. Heck, there was nobody out there in the G5 that could do so when teams like Cincy and UCF were still in the G5.

The idea that leftover G5 will "rise up" is IMO just not realistic. Rise up to where? Never will they rise up to be national title competitive.

The G5 should have its own playoffs, IMO.

Why stop there? 95% of the P5 can’t compete with the best P5 teams either.

(12-19-2023 06:44 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 06:29 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 05:46 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  IMO, this shows that going forward, there is no competitive reason to auto-include a G5 team in the playoffs.

It doesn't show anything.

It's one year (before the new system is even in place). We don't have an outcome yet (and I maintain that it's fine either way).

IMO it is likely to be a representative year. The M2 have creamed off the top G5 teams. There is nobody out there that can conceivably compete with the best P5 teams. Heck, there was nobody out there in the G5 that could do so when teams like Cincy and UCF were still in the G5.

The idea that leftover G5 will "rise up" is IMO just not realistic. Rise up to where? Never will they rise up to be national title competitive.

The G5 should have its own playoffs, IMO.

You mean like when Boise, UH and UCF all won NY6 Bowls (Houston in a semi-blowout)?

(12-19-2023 06:44 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 06:29 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 05:46 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  IMO, this shows that going forward, there is no competitive reason to auto-include a G5 team in the playoffs.

It doesn't show anything.

It's one year (before the new system is even in place). We don't have an outcome yet (and I maintain that it's fine either way).

IMO it is likely to be a representative year. The M2 have creamed off the top G5 teams. There is nobody out there that can conceivably compete with the best P5 teams. Heck, there was nobody out there in the G5 that could do so when teams like Cincy and UCF were still in the G5.

The idea that leftover G5 will "rise up" is IMO just not realistic. Rise up to where? Never will they rise up to be national title competitive.

The G5 should have its own playoffs, IMO.

Then just let the SEC and BIG have the playoffs. The M2 and G5 will be closer together than M2 will be to the P2, No player will want to go to a school which isnt playing in the top level, P2. The transfer portal will allow them to leave ASAP.