(12-18-2023 12:58 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(12-18-2023 11:19 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(12-18-2023 09:51 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-18-2023 02:59 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(12-18-2023 12:23 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  Check back in two or three years. I predict more and more people will talk about the possibility of the ACC raiding the B12 as time goes.

Yes… ACC fanboys that tout academic standards will continue to push fantasies of a two coast conference starting with 4C schools, when the reality is, they should have locked down UC and WVU years back to protect their territory and soften the inevitable defections everyone anticipates. It’s not inconceivable they could have kept pushing west (KU TCU etc) as they lose their southeastern bellwethers, but alas… leave it to academics and their grasp of sports media to convince their alumni/fans all will be well when the dust settles.

sigh

Bad sports fanboys continue to push fantasies of the ACC’s demise (why you obsessed with us?) and propagate talk of “bellwethers” leaving (still waiting).

West Virginia and Cincinnati don’t really occupy territory the ACC needs to protect. I’m sure both would be fine competitive members in the ACC; Cincinnati might even help the cable package being a pro-rata addition. I have to think there was pushback against Cincinnati from Louisville and Notre Dame, maybe even Pittsburgh.

The ACC is not pushing merger talk, I can tell you that.

The ACC has the upper hand right now, but you're unlikely to remain ahead of the Big 12 after FSU/etc leave. Today, that appears to be a decade or more in the future and you have a better media rights agreement than the Big 12, so you're in a position of strength to negotiate a merger. There's a high probability that the merged entity would retain the ACC name and/or keep the HQ in NC. Tomorrow is one day closer to the day that the Big 12 gains the upper hand. It's possible that Yormark would refuse any talk of merger with the ACC today, but it's certain that he would refuse if he felt he could start picking off the best remaining ACC schools like he did with the Pac.

If Phillips is not exploring a full merger with the Big 12 right now, then he's not doing his job. Perhaps it won't work out, perhaps the Big 12 won't be interested, perhaps too many in the ACC won't be interested, and all of those are good reasons why it probably won't happen. But it might, and this theoretical full merger would be a whole lot better than most of the scenarios I envision for the ACC in the long term.

Your bolded sentence is true if and only if certain ACC schools leave.

If nobody leaves the ACC, the B12’s position would get weaker as it gets close to 2030, when their GoR expires.

This merger idea appears to be from Morgantown. See this article from August.

According to college football insider C.W. Lambert (WVU guy/dude), the Big 12 and ACC will discuss a contractual alliance that could see the two conferences merge in 2031

https://www.sportskeeda.com/college-foot...31-reports

WVU fans would love to poach the ACC.

Why did they start floating the merger idea? Maybe they figured their chance is getting slimmer?

If and only if ACC schools leave? Have you seen the news out of Tallahassee this year? The SEC isn’t telling them “not ever”, we are telling them “sort out your ACC situation and you’ll be 16-0 voted in within 5 minutes”. Yes, it’s more convenient for the SEC if they join in the 2030s instead of the 2020s, but make no mistake about it, they’re joining eventually. Clemson, NC and Miami will leave with them, probably all to the SEC but possibly 2 end up in the B1G. The result will be the same, the ACC will be gutted as the Big 12 and PAC were, and they’ll be greatly diminished if they haven’t made better plans than “Calford SMU” to backfill.

(12-18-2023 01:50 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(12-18-2023 01:39 PM)Blust3 Wrote:  I don't think any ACC school wants to merge with Big 12. No one.

The Pac-12 said the same thing right before 4 teams jumped.

These moves happen because of financial necessity, not desire. The backend of the ACC Media Deal is a death sentence. It was only made sightly more tolerable because SMU is taking no media money and the ACC agreed to unequal distribution that will slowly choke the bottom tier programs.

The media deal increases over time. Why do you keep perpetuating nonsense? What is your agenda?

(12-18-2023 02:13 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(12-18-2023 12:58 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(12-18-2023 11:19 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(12-18-2023 09:51 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-18-2023 02:59 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Yes… ACC fanboys that tout academic standards will continue to push fantasies of a two coast conference starting with 4C schools, when the reality is, they should have locked down UC and WVU years back to protect their territory and soften the inevitable defections everyone anticipates. It’s not inconceivable they could have kept pushing west (KU TCU etc) as they lose their southeastern bellwethers, but alas… leave it to academics and their grasp of sports media to convince their alumni/fans all will be well when the dust settles.

sigh

Bad sports fanboys continue to push fantasies of the ACC’s demise (why you obsessed with us?) and propagate talk of “bellwethers” leaving (still waiting).

West Virginia and Cincinnati don’t really occupy territory the ACC needs to protect. I’m sure both would be fine competitive members in the ACC; Cincinnati might even help the cable package being a pro-rata addition. I have to think there was pushback against Cincinnati from Louisville and Notre Dame, maybe even Pittsburgh.

The ACC is not pushing merger talk, I can tell you that.

The ACC has the upper hand right now, but you're unlikely to remain ahead of the Big 12 after FSU/etc leave. Today, that appears to be a decade or more in the future and you have a better media rights agreement than the Big 12, so you're in a position of strength to negotiate a merger. There's a high probability that the merged entity would retain the ACC name and/or keep the HQ in NC. Tomorrow is one day closer to the day that the Big 12 gains the upper hand. It's possible that Yormark would refuse any talk of merger with the ACC today, but it's certain that he would refuse if he felt he could start picking off the best remaining ACC schools like he did with the Pac.

If Phillips is not exploring a full merger with the Big 12 right now, then he's not doing his job. Perhaps it won't work out, perhaps the Big 12 won't be interested, perhaps too many in the ACC won't be interested, and all of those are good reasons why it probably won't happen. But it might, and this theoretical full merger would be a whole lot better than most of the scenarios I envision for the ACC in the long term.

Your bolded sentence is true if and only if certain ACC schools leave.

If nobody leaves the ACC, the B12’s position would get weaker as it gets close to 2030, when their GoR expires.

This merger idea appears to be from Morgantown. See this article from August.

According to college football insider C.W. Lambert (WVU guy/dude), the Big 12 and ACC will discuss a contractual alliance that could see the two conferences merge in 2031

https://www.sportskeeda.com/college-foot...31-reports

WVU fans would love to poach the ACC.

Why did they start floating the merger idea? Maybe they figured their chance is getting slimmer?

If and only if ACC schools leave? Have you seen the news out of Tallahassee this year? The SEC isn’t telling them “not ever”, we are telling them “sort out your ACC situation and you’ll be 16-0 voted in within 5 minutes”. Yes, it’s more convenient for the SEC if they join in the 2030s instead of the 2020s, but make no mistake about it, they’re joining eventually. Clemson, NC and Miami will leave with them, probably all to the SEC but possibly 2 end up in the B1G. The result will be the same, the ACC will be gutted as the Big 12 and PAC were, and they’ll be greatly diminished if they haven’t made better plans than “Calford SMU” to backfill.

Doubt it. Those schools will actually be given incentive not to leave. Here's how:

FSU will pay a very large exit fee

FSU will pay a large yearly fee to cover the cost of signing away their media rights to the ACC

Those fees will go into the pockets of existing members, or be distributed competitively, incentivizing others to wait out the deal. It's essentially another SMU (only more money), but without them ever joining for a full share.

By 2036, Amazon, Apple, and other streamers will be fully integrated into the market and there will be many more opportunities for cash. Thus the brilliance of the GOR. Technology advances. Fans might be watching the Michigan Football Network on YouTube TV. There will be a Fire Stick or Apple TV in every bar-grill across the country.

Listen, I am a Tar Heel born and bred. I do not want my school in the so called "P2". I want to watch us play the teams of my family, friends, and neighbors, not Penn State, Ohio State, Oklahoma, and Alabama. I believe there are ways around it that will open up in the future.