Even if they only allow the second one every couple of/four years. It would be better for the game and supply more great matchups. I I know I'd be thrilled to get Texas after A&M, not only for the in-state rivalries but because it'd be a good matchup and I'm sure casual and hard core college basketball fans would want to see the matchup as well.

I'm at that double header (with LSU as well) BTW.

What you are attending is NOT a multi-team event by NCAA rules

What you are attending is a neutral site doubleheader (Houston v A&M, Texas v LSU). They got bought by a promoter to do a doubleheader on a neutral site.

We’ve had more and more of these whether in Houston, Fort Worth, Vegas or NYC amongst others

(12-16-2023 04:14 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  What you are attending is NOT a multi-team event by NCAA rules

What you are attending is a neutral site doubleheader (Houston v A&M, Texas v LSU). They got bought by a promoter to do a doubleheader on a neutral site.

We’ve had more and more of these whether in Houston, Fort Worth, Vegas or NYC amongst others

Yes. Kind of like the doubleheader in Indianapolis today with Indiana St/Ball St and Arizona/Purdue. These are neutral site doubleheaders -- not MTEs.

(12-16-2023 04:14 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  What you are attending is NOT a multi-team event by NCAA rules

What you are attending is a neutral site doubleheader (Houston v A&M, Texas v LSU). They got bought by a promoter to do a doubleheader on a neutral site.

We’ve had more and more of these whether in Houston, Fort Worth, Vegas or NYC amongst others

I didn't say it was a MTE (though technically it is). I said I was at the doubleheader being referred to in the OP.

My point is they should allow multiple MTE tournaments some seasons.

(12-16-2023 07:20 PM)C2__ Wrote:  

(12-16-2023 04:14 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  What you are attending is NOT a multi-team event by NCAA rules

What you are attending is a neutral site doubleheader (Houston v A&M, Texas v LSU). They got bought by a promoter to do a doubleheader on a neutral site.

We’ve had more and more of these whether in Houston, Fort Worth, Vegas or NYC amongst others

I didn't say it was a MTE (though technically it is). I said I was at the doubleheader being referred to in the OP.

My point is they should allow multiple MTE tournaments some seasons.

Some seasons? Either you allow it annually or not

(12-16-2023 07:20 PM)C2__ Wrote:  

(12-16-2023 04:14 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  What you are attending is NOT a multi-team event by NCAA rules

What you are attending is a neutral site doubleheader (Houston v A&M, Texas v LSU). They got bought by a promoter to do a doubleheader on a neutral site.

We’ve had more and more of these whether in Houston, Fort Worth, Vegas or NYC amongst others

I didn't say it was a MTE (though technically it is). I said I was at the doubleheader being referred to in the OP.

My point is they should allow multiple MTE tournaments some seasons.

Under the current rules you get an extra game or two if you play in a MTE tournament.

You can play 28 + 3 games in a qualifying 8-team MTE event; or 29 + 2 games in a 4-tean MTE; or 29 games.

I don't see anything against playing in more than one multi-team tournament except the games would come out of the base total. Also all the teams in a qualifying MTE must be using the same exception.

A qualifying MTE is limited to one team per conference, and 1 in 4 years for any school. So you could not have Duke playing three of 28 regular games in Maui, and then playing 3 more in some other MTE.

(12-16-2023 08:38 PM)jimrtex Wrote:  

(12-16-2023 07:20 PM)C2__ Wrote:  

(12-16-2023 04:14 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  What you are attending is NOT a multi-team event by NCAA rules

What you are attending is a neutral site doubleheader (Houston v A&M, Texas v LSU). They got bought by a promoter to do a doubleheader on a neutral site.

We’ve had more and more of these whether in Houston, Fort Worth, Vegas or NYC amongst others

I didn't say it was a MTE (though technically it is). I said I was at the doubleheader being referred to in the OP.

My point is they should allow multiple MTE tournaments some seasons.

Under the current rules you get an extra game or two if you play in a MTE tournament.

You can play 28 + 3 games in a qualifying 8-team MTE event; or 29 + 2 games in a 4-tean MTE; or 29 games.

I don't see anything against playing in more than one multi-team tournament except the games would come out of the base total. Also all the teams in a qualifying MTE must be using the same exception.

A qualifying MTE is limited to one team per conference, and 1 in 4 years for any school. So you could not have Duke playing three of 28 regular games in Maui, and then playing 3 more in some other MTE.

This breaks the 1 conference per. tournament rule for a couple tournaments, but I'd like to see the MTEs restructured a bit. All P4 teams qualify + all BE schools, with a 12th spot available for the BE for expansion, qualify for 17 MTEs with 8 teams each. Hawaii and Chaminade hosting 2 tournaments give them both a spot. The remaining 54 spots go to the regular season champ and conference tournament champ from the previous season of the 27 remaining conferences qualify (2 of the 54 spots can go to OSU and WSU even if the PAC-2 dies; the alternate is the BE gains the additional 2 spots lost by the PAC should OSU and WSU join the MWC). If a conference has the same team win both, they can choose their 2nd team.

Then there can be 7 mid-major MTEs with 8 teams each featuring the next best 2 teams from the 26 mid-major conferences + a 3rd team from the AAC, A-10, MVC, and MWC (larger conferences with multi-bid history). I chose to leave the WCC out because there's no guarantee Gonzaga stays, it's a 9 team conference, and likely drops to 1 bid league if Gonzaga leaves. This results in a total of 192 teams participating in 24 8-team MTEs. There were 192 teams participating in 30 MTEs this season with several cities hosting multiple 4-team MTEs. I think this is reasonable and provides some solid quality basketball with several early season tournaments.

(12-16-2023 04:14 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  What you are attending is NOT a multi-team event by NCAA rules

What you are attending is a neutral site doubleheader (Houston v A&M, Texas v LSU). They got bought by a promoter to do a doubleheader on a neutral site.

We’ve had more and more of these whether in Houston, Fort Worth, Vegas or NYC amongst others

Right. Ned Irish started booking triple headers at MSG back in the 30’s or 40’s. Three of the local powers (there were 5 powerful programs many years) hosting three schools from around the country. Everybody wanted a bite of the Big Apple.

They’ve sort of evolved into something different these days.

(12-16-2023 08:38 PM)jimrtex Wrote:  

(12-16-2023 07:20 PM)C2__ Wrote:  

(12-16-2023 04:14 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  What you are attending is NOT a multi-team event by NCAA rules

What you are attending is a neutral site doubleheader (Houston v A&M, Texas v LSU). They got bought by a promoter to do a doubleheader on a neutral site.

We’ve had more and more of these whether in Houston, Fort Worth, Vegas or NYC amongst others

I didn't say it was a MTE (though technically it is). I said I was at the doubleheader being referred to in the OP.

My point is they should allow multiple MTE tournaments some seasons.

Under the current rules you get an extra game or two if you play in a MTE tournament.

You can play 28 + 3 games in a qualifying 8-team MTE event; or 29 + 2 games in a 4-tean MTE; or 29 games.

I don't see anything against playing in more than one multi-team tournament except the games would come out of the base total. Also all the teams in a qualifying MTE must be using the same exception.

A qualifying MTE is limited to one team per conference, and 1 in 4 years for any school. So you could not have Duke playing three of 28 regular games in Maui, and then playing 3 more in some other MTE.

Correct - you can play as many non-MTE neutral site games (like what the OP is referring to) that you want. Illinois, for instance, played in both the Jimmy V Classic at MSG (where 4 teams are invited) and the Braggin’ Rights Game in St. Louis against Missouri along with an MTE in Las Vegas last year. The Jimmy V Classic and Braggin’ Rights games counted against their 28 game regular season limit and then they had 3 games in the Las Vegas MTE.

Is my memory faulty or did Hawaii once host and play in multiple MTEs a season? I feel like one year their OOC schedule was like three MTEs and a few traditional non-cons. This would have been well back, like in the 80s or perhaps early 90s. Or it could just be my imagination.

(12-17-2023 10:46 AM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Is my memory faulty or did Hawaii once host and play in multiple MTEs a season? I feel like one year their OOC schedule was like three MTEs and a few traditional non-cons. This would have been well back, like in the 80s or perhaps early 90s. Or it could just be my imagination.

The current rule says that a school in Hawaii or Alaska that sponsors a MTE does not have to count its participation as a MTE so long as all the other teams count the tournament as a MTE. The Hawaii/Alaska school does have to count the games as part of its maximum number of regular season games.

So Hawai'i could host an 8-team MTE and count it as 3 of its 28 games, and play in another MTE, possibly in Hawai'i and count it as a 3-game bonus.

The second MTE would be subject to the 1 in 4 year limitation.

The rules likely have changed over the years, and even recently. The current rules state that if a contract was signed before June 26, 2019 that it can still be counted as a MTE exception. So the rules have become more restrictive.

A MTE does not have to be played as a single-site tournament. An 8-team tournament must be completed within 10 days of the first contest, a 4-team tournament within 5 days of the first contest. It does not appear to even be a tournament format.

(12-17-2023 10:22 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(12-16-2023 08:38 PM)jimrtex Wrote:  

(12-16-2023 07:20 PM)C2__ Wrote:  

(12-16-2023 04:14 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  What you are attending is NOT a multi-team event by NCAA rules

What you are attending is a neutral site doubleheader (Houston v A&M, Texas v LSU). They got bought by a promoter to do a doubleheader on a neutral site.

We’ve had more and more of these whether in Houston, Fort Worth, Vegas or NYC amongst others

I didn't say it was a MTE (though technically it is). I said I was at the doubleheader being referred to in the OP.

My point is they should allow multiple MTE tournaments some seasons.

Under the current rules you get an extra game or two if you play in a MTE tournament.

You can play 28 + 3 games in a qualifying 8-team MTE event; or 29 + 2 games in a 4-tean MTE; or 29 games.

I don't see anything against playing in more than one multi-team tournament except the games would come out of the base total. Also all the teams in a qualifying MTE must be using the same exception.

A qualifying MTE is limited to one team per conference, and 1 in 4 years for any school. So you could not have Duke playing three of 28 regular games in Maui, and then playing 3 more in some other MTE.

Correct - you can play as many non-MTE neutral site games (like what the OP is referring to) that you want. Illinois, for instance, played in both the Jimmy V Classic at MSG (where 4 teams are invited) and the Braggin’ Rights Game in St. Louis against Missouri along with an MTE in Las Vegas last year. The Jimmy V Classic and Braggin’ Rights games counted against their 28 game regular season limit and then they had 3 games in the Las Vegas MTE.

But my request is for more tournaments.

(12-17-2023 10:46 AM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Is my memory faulty or did Hawaii once host and play in multiple MTEs a season? I feel like one year their OOC schedule was like three MTEs and a few traditional non-cons. This would have been well back, like in the 80s or perhaps early 90s. Or it could just be my imagination.

Kansas once (1997-98) went 34-3 before the Tournament, playing in multiple MTE tournaments, so you could play in as many as you want. They could have won as many as 40 games (but in typical fashion under Roy choked early in the Dance, falling to Rhode Island in the second half).

Then the NCAA only allowed 1 every 4 before the current rules.

(12-17-2023 02:25 PM)C2__ Wrote:  

(12-17-2023 10:46 AM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Is my memory faulty or did Hawaii once host and play in multiple MTEs a season? I feel like one year their OOC schedule was like three MTEs and a few traditional non-cons. This would have been well back, like in the 80s or perhaps early 90s. Or it could just be my imagination.

Kansas once (1997-98) went 34-3 before the Tournament, playing in multiple MTE tournaments, so you could play in as many as you want. They could have won as many as 40 games (but in typical fashion under Roy choked early in the Dance, falling to Rhode Island in the second half).

Then the NCAA only allowed 1 every 4 before the current rules.

The 34-3 in 1997-1998 included 3 wins in the Big 12 tournament.

They played in 3 MTE, a 4-team event in MSG, a 4-team event in Maryland, and an 8-team event in Hawai'i. At one time, an MTE was counted as equivalent to one regular season game.

So 37 minus 3 minus 1 minus 1 minus 2 = 30

It is kind of like how they could not figure out how to account for the extra games in a MTE, so they just limited the number of MTE. But now they have figured out a simple rule. If you play in a 4-team MTE you get one less regular season game, so there is a net chain of zero. If you play in an 8-team MTE you get a bonus game.

But an oddity is that the rule says 28 regular season games, but Kansas has consistently played 31 games prior to the Big 12 tournament. It's like their is a permanent waiver.