(12-14-2023 01:54 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The Pac-12 is now just a fiction in Football. This lays bare the reality that there is no plan to rebuild it

I believe the plan is to keep it alive in some sort of merger with the MWC. I do indeed hope they keep the records and everything alive just to spite those that departed.

This seems to make sense. For football there are two separate entities. However, when football is over, the merger will take place and then will be one total entity in the 2025 fall season.

(12-14-2023 04:01 PM)esayem Wrote:  Right, no conference is going to say "hey, we'll take all your non-revenue sports even though we sponsor basketball."

Now, there are historical cases of this happening: the Yankee Conference in the 70's for instance allowed schools to drop out of the men's basketball conference in order to keep the entire thing together. UMass helped form the Eastern 8 (AKA Atlantic 10) and Rhode Island became an Independent to enhance their schedule.

Yeah, but the historical instances like that one were from before NCAA vs Oklahoma (and ESPN!)

Conferences weren't "TV inventory bundles," where someone leaving affects your income. They were just schools who wanted to play each other every year in every sport.

The rules havent kept up with the market.

(12-14-2023 04:56 PM)solohawks Wrote:  The rules havent kept up with the market.

And the NCAA never bothered to set rules to try and dictate how the market can behave.

(12-14-2023 12:55 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  Here's the actual text of the tweet:

NEWS: The Mountain West is in discussions with both Oregon State and Washington State to join the league for the 2024-25 college basketball season, according to a source.

Just for basketball.

Come on OP, get it right.

It is right.

(12-14-2023 06:13 PM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 12:55 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  Here's the actual text of the tweet:

NEWS: The Mountain West is in discussions with both Oregon State and Washington State to join the league for the 2024-25 college basketball season, according to a source.

Just for basketball.

Come on OP, get it right.

It is right.

Don't be surprised to see an announcement for football in the coming months.

Basketball means all sports except football. Baseball, Softball, Volleyball and Soccer need somewhere to play as well. And the Individual sports need a conference meet of some form to allow athletes to qualify for NCAA regionals and nationals.

(12-14-2023 01:05 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Selfishly, I love this. I truly am sad for OSU/WSU. They got screwed but there was never a doubt they were a different class from the other 10 schools.

I would love to also see some AAC schools plus a couple others join but the money doesn’t make sense today. From 14, add: East Carolina, Gonzaga^, Memphis, Navy*, North Texas, Rice, South Florida, Tulane, Tulsa, UAB, UTSA, Wichita St^.

Central: Air Force, Navy*, New Mexico, North Texas, Tulsa, UTSA
Mountain: Boise St, Colorado St, Nevada, UNLV, Utah St, Wyoming
South: East Carolina, Memphis, Rice, South Florida, Tulane, UAB
West: Fresno St, Hawaii*, Oregon St, San Diego St, San Jose St, Washington St
* Football Only
^ Non-Football: Gonzaga, Wichita St

That’s far too big to be worthwhile valuable but I like the concept in a vacuum.

They're both clearly a "different class" than Stanford and Cal in football, that's for sure...

Sayonara Pac-12 Network. More evidence the Pac-12 is never reviving, just a zombie kept in a lawn chair with sunglasses to collect CFP money for a couple years.

Is there an example of a basketball affiliate anytime in recent memory?

(12-14-2023 09:12 PM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  Is there an example of a basketball affiliate anytime in recent memory?

None. At least not in the last fifty years that I'm aware of.

IMO the term basketball only merely means "not including football" rather than literally basketball only. The other sports are essentially invisible, so it's football or basketball with nothing else counting.

(12-14-2023 07:49 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 01:05 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Selfishly, I love this. I truly am sad for OSU/WSU. They got screwed but there was never a doubt they were a different class from the other 10 schools.

I would love to also see some AAC schools plus a couple others join but the money doesn’t make sense today. From 14, add: East Carolina, Gonzaga^, Memphis, Navy*, North Texas, Rice, South Florida, Tulane, Tulsa, UAB, UTSA, Wichita St^.

Central: Air Force, Navy*, New Mexico, North Texas, Tulsa, UTSA
Mountain: Boise St, Colorado St, Nevada, UNLV, Utah St, Wyoming
South: East Carolina, Memphis, Rice, South Florida, Tulane, UAB
West: Fresno St, Hawaii*, Oregon St, San Diego St, San Jose St, Washington St
* Football Only
^ Non-Football: Gonzaga, Wichita St

That’s far too big to be worthwhile valuable but I like the concept in a vacuum.

They're both clearly a "different class" than Stanford and Cal in football, that's for sure...

Right, Lower class.

Oregon St 492-589-36
Washington St 499-549-38

California 595-542-31
Stanford 596-479-34

(12-14-2023 06:34 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Basketball means all sports except football. Baseball, Softball, Volleyball and Soccer need somewhere to play as well. And the Individual sports need a conference meet of some form to allow athletes to qualify for NCAA regionals and nationals.

Every OSU and WSU sport that the MWC sponsors will end up there. Gymnastics, wrestling, rowing, will have to go elsewhere.

The one olympic sport I'm intrigued with is OSU men's soccer. Without Gonzaga or an affiliate, the MWC don't have enough members to sponsor it. OSU just went to the Final Four (College Cup). I'm gonna guess the Big West for MSOC - Hawaii won't care - but where they end up will be interesting to watch.

(12-15-2023 12:07 AM)jdgaucho Wrote:  The one olympic sport I'm intrigued with is OSU men's soccer. Without Gonzaga or an affiliate, the MWC don't have enough members to sponsor it. OSU just went to the Final Four (College Cup). I'm gonna guess the Big West for MSOC - Hawaii won't care - but where they end up will be interesting to watch.

Probably the WAC with SDSU. The other MW men's soccer programs are already there (Air Force, SJSU, and UNLV).

I suppose Sac State MSOC could leave the Big West to give the merged MW/Pac-2 six members, but I don't know the likelihood of that.

(12-14-2023 07:49 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 01:05 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Selfishly, I love this. I truly am sad for OSU/WSU. They got screwed but there was never a doubt they were a different class from the other 10 schools.

I would love to also see some AAC schools plus a couple others join but the money doesn’t make sense today. From 14, add: East Carolina, Gonzaga^, Memphis, Navy*, North Texas, Rice, South Florida, Tulane, Tulsa, UAB, UTSA, Wichita St^.

Central: Air Force, Navy*, New Mexico, North Texas, Tulsa, UTSA
Mountain: Boise St, Colorado St, Nevada, UNLV, Utah St, Wyoming
South: East Carolina, Memphis, Rice, South Florida, Tulane, UAB
West: Fresno St, Hawaii*, Oregon St, San Diego St, San Jose St, Washington St
* Football Only
^ Non-Football: Gonzaga, Wichita St

That’s far too big to be worthwhile valuable but I like the concept in a vacuum.

They're both clearly a "different class" than Stanford and Cal in football, that's for sure...

(12-14-2023 09:46 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 09:12 PM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  Is there an example of a basketball affiliate anytime in recent memory?

None. At least not in the last fifty years that I'm aware of.

IMO the term basketball only merely means "not including football" rather than literally basketball only. The other sports are essentially invisible, so it's football or basketball with nothing else counting.

I’m pretty sure baseball, softball, volleyball, etc will wind up there and they will wind up just being non-football members (who happen to be playing six football games in conference) but right now it’s just basketball.

(12-15-2023 12:07 AM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 06:34 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Basketball means all sports except football. Baseball, Softball, Volleyball and Soccer need somewhere to play as well. And the Individual sports need a conference meet of some form to allow athletes to qualify for NCAA regionals and nationals.

Every OSU and WSU sport that the MWC sponsors will end up there. Gymnastics, wrestling, rowing, will have to go elsewhere.

The one olympic sport I'm intrigued with is OSU men's soccer. Without Gonzaga or an affiliate, the MWC don't have enough members to sponsor it. OSU just went to the Final Four (College Cup). I'm gonna guess the Big West for MSOC - Hawaii won't care - but where they end up will be interesting to watch.

The MPSF sponsors women’s gymnastics. Wrestling and rowing could go to the Big XII.

SDSU has men’s soccer in the PAC so they will need a home as well.

OSU, SDSU, SJSU, Air Force, and UNLV need a 6th for soccer. My guess is Sacramento State who is a Big West affiliate

(12-15-2023 12:29 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(12-15-2023 12:07 AM)jdgaucho Wrote:  The one olympic sport I'm intrigued with is OSU men's soccer. Without Gonzaga or an affiliate, the MWC don't have enough members to sponsor it. OSU just went to the Final Four (College Cup). I'm gonna guess the Big West for MSOC - Hawaii won't care - but where they end up will be interesting to watch.

Probably the WAC with SDSU. The other MW men's soccer programs are already there (Air Force, SJSU, and UNLV).

I suppose Sac State MSOC could leave the Big West to give the merged MW/Pac-2 six members, but I don't know the likelihood of that.

(12-15-2023 06:43 AM)solohawks Wrote:  OSU, SDSU, SJSU, Air Force, and UNLV need a 6th for soccer. My guess is Sacramento State who is a Big West affiliate

That would be an interesting scenario, as it would leave the WAC with the bare minimum of 6 men's soccer programs. All of them belong to full members of the conference (Cal Baptist, Grand Canyon, Seattle, Utah Tech, Utah Valley, UTRGV). If the WCC were to come calling for any of those schools, the WAC could end up looking foolish for having booted out Incarnate Word men's soccer, which also led to the departure of Houston Baptist/Christian. Fortunately for the WAC's multisport status, however, they could arrange to be the formal sponsor of "UAC" football instead of the ASUN.