(12-14-2023 10:53 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 09:05 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 06:24 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 02:11 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Who? The team that lost to Ohio St in the BCS chip game in 2002? Kneel gate from Mario Cristobal? Oh, that team. LOL.

Would that be the year that a lot of college seniors about to graduate were born?

Though note that the college sports audience demo trends older than the pro sports audience demo.

Miami has no trouble attracting couch fans. 50 year olds with free time on Saturdays remember Da U. Their problem is attracting athletes, who do not remember Miami having back to back 10 win seasons.

It's probably easier to persuade a kid that a former football power can return to glory when they see a huge packed rowdy stadium.

The thing is that the talent is there at Miami. They have another top 10 recruiting class again this year. While a packed stadium is certainly a selling point, Miami is freaking selling South Beach (and history says that Miami players actually get treated like kings there). My only wonder is how Miami loses *any* recruiting battle if they actually get the kids to visit the campus.

For whatever reason, they have not executed on maximizing the talent advantage that they have over everyone except for a very small handful of programs.

(12-14-2023 10:21 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 10:14 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  People asked this same question about the Hurricanes in 1997...

When they were six years removed from a title? Doesn’t really seem like a relevant comparison.

People said all the same things. 'No on-campus stadium. No championship-calibre coach any more. Those were special times but the party's over.' Then the 'Canes stormed back and blew everybody out.

Yes, it's a relevant comparison.

ACC membership has complicated local recruiting for the 'Canes. Still, if Clemson and Florida State can run the table, so can Miami. And in a portal/NIL era it can happen fast.

(12-14-2023 11:04 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 10:53 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 09:05 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 06:24 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 02:11 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  Who? The team that lost to Ohio St in the BCS chip game in 2002? Kneel gate from Mario Cristobal? Oh, that team. LOL.

Would that be the year that a lot of college seniors about to graduate were born?

Though note that the college sports audience demo trends older than the pro sports audience demo.

Miami has no trouble attracting couch fans. 50 year olds with free time on Saturdays remember Da U. Their problem is attracting athletes, who do not remember Miami having back to back 10 win seasons.

It's probably easier to persuade a kid that a former football power can return to glory when they see a huge packed rowdy stadium.

The thing is that the talent is there at Miami. They have another top 10 recruiting class again this year. While a packed stadium is certainly a selling point, Miami is freaking selling South Beach (and history says that Miami players actually get treated like kings there). My only wonder is how Miami loses *any* recruiting battle if they actually get the kids to visit the campus.

For whatever reason, they have not executed on maximizing the talent advantage that they have over everyone except for a very small handful of programs.

Yeah, I was fooled by their lack of results. Clicking through the 247 recruiting class ratings, they're putting up numbers there. Just not putting up top 10 seasons

Coaching matters. Also having a on-campus stadium would do wonders.

(12-14-2023 10:25 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Lost their luster??? Heck no!

I laughed my a$$ off at that Georgia Tech game like it was 1987.

Didn't y'all lose to Miami this year?

No matter where I travel, I see people wearing Miami apparel everywhere. The brand has withstood 20 years of not being a national title contender. They're a casual fan's team. Miami will be in the Big Ten.

(12-14-2023 10:25 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Lost their luster??? Heck no!

I laughed my a$$ off at that Georgia Tech game like it was 1987.

I looked up Miami's 1987 team and they beat Florida 31-4. 4 points?

(12-14-2023 11:24 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  No matter where I travel, I see people wearing Miami apparel everywhere. The brand has withstood 20 years of not being a national title contender. They're a casual fan's team. Miami will be in the Big Ten.

I really don’t see their gear that much anymore. They aren’t a regional SEC-type beat down here. Maybe more up north because they’re a private school and they have students from up there.

Perhaps they join the Big Ten if the money is there in 2036, but Miami voted hand in hand with Notre Dame and their administrative decisions have bent heavily towards academics the last 20 years vs being an elite football program. I 100% don’t see Miami taking a loan out to pay off the GOR—they’re much more fiscally responsible than that.

Miami LOVES the transfer portal and will buy what is needed to play at any level the Hurricanes wish.

Unless a governing body changes, we will see a high-stakes game of the athletic department and the resources some fans place on winning COLLEGE athletics. It is going to get ugly.

This bowl season, we will see the first wave of the ugly side of athletics. Some fan bases refuse to show up for bowl games because the third-string wide receiver fills in at quarterback, the best players are shopping the transfer portal, and the NFL prospects are looking to avoid injury.

Miami can win this game. Southern Cal, Nebraska, Texas, Ohio State, Michigan, etc... are ready to play ball. It is going to take deep pockets to win this game.

(12-14-2023 11:18 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 10:25 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Lost their luster??? Heck no!

I laughed my a$$ off at that Georgia Tech game like it was 1987.

Didn't y'all lose to Miami this year?

We really needed to get more ACC teams on the schedule as we were undefeated against them.

(12-14-2023 04:37 AM)darkdragon99 Wrote:  Its obvious they are going to get left out in a P2 world. Their academics and market wont be able to save them.

https://sicem365.com/s/13048/how-many-vi...am-attract

Read this, then come back and tell me that Miami is going to get left out. Their worst period in 40 years, yet their ratings are solidly middle of the pack when compared head to head with SEC schools. They slot in between Nebraska and Iowa when compared with B1G schools, not a bad place to be at all. And that's playing an ACC schedule, give them a steady diet of Alabama and OU, or OSU and PSU, and their ratings would certainly be higher. In fact, Miami isn't all that far behind Clemson, they're certainly close enough that the delta in wins/losses over the 13-21 years explains that difference.

Miami is a very strong #3 Brand in the ACC, far stronger than the #3 brand from the old Big 12, and their ratings are actually higher than ANY Pac school over that time period (you can look at the chart for the top 21 games, or take the full 32 from the Pac schools, either way Miami is ahead). If the B1G would take UCLA and Washington, then Miami is a slam dunk when they come available. I've said here recently that we'd rather take Clemson and FSU, but if we have to "settle" for UNC and Miami, that would be ok, too.

(12-14-2023 08:58 AM)otown Wrote:  It's facilities. You get a huge amount of student engagement when you play on campus. The empty stadium year in and out outside of the FSU game is a testament to that.

I talk about attendance a lot, and for most schools it's quite predictive of overall fan engagement, but Miami is an exception. They consistently garner a LOT of eyeballs on TV, despite decent but not great performance on the field, and that is something that network execs get excited to see. I wonder what would happen if they went 13-0?

(12-14-2023 11:05 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 10:21 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 10:14 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  People asked this same question about the Hurricanes in 1997...

When they were six years removed from a title? Doesn’t really seem like a relevant comparison.

People said all the same things. 'No on-campus stadium. No championship-calibre coach any more. Those were special times but the party's over.' Then the 'Canes stormed back and blew everybody out.

Yes, it's a relevant comparison.

ACC membership has complicated local recruiting for the 'Canes. Still, if Clemson and Florida State can run the table, so can Miami. And in a portal/NIL era it can happen fast.

I undersold it a bit. In 1997 Miami was 6 years removed from a dynasty. They were experiencing their first unranked season in 15 years. Questioning whether that program had lost its luster isn’t remotely comparable to questioning whether Miami in 2023 has lost its luster. Miami’s 20 years removed from a top 5 finish. In the 20 years prior to that they had 11 and 4 national championships.

To answer the OPs question: Yes

(12-14-2023 01:09 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 11:05 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 10:21 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 10:14 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  People asked this same question about the Hurricanes in 1997...

When they were six years removed from a title? Doesn’t really seem like a relevant comparison.

People said all the same things. 'No on-campus stadium. No championship-calibre coach any more. Those were special times but the party's over.' Then the 'Canes stormed back and blew everybody out.

Yes, it's a relevant comparison.

ACC membership has complicated local recruiting for the 'Canes. Still, if Clemson and Florida State can run the table, so can Miami. And in a portal/NIL era it can happen fast.

I undersold it a bit. In 1997 Miami was 6 years removed from a dynasty. They were experiencing their first unranked season in 15 years. Questioning whether that program had lost its luster isn’t remotely comparable to questioning whether Miami in 2023 has lost its luster. Miami’s 20 years removed from a top 5 finish. In the 20 years prior to that they had 11 and 4 national championships.

To answer the OPs question: Yes

I'm not sure if their title in 1991 is the best barometer to gauge the end of their dynasty; I would use the word "run". The end of the first iteration of the "U" concluded in the 1994/95 Orange Bowl against Nebraska; 'Canes were #3 heading into that game. Miami was still the "U" until they lost that game and Erickson left for the NFL. Their downturn was only a handful of years. In fact, they were still more relevant in the late 90s than they are now; they were Top 25 every year except 1997. The drop off relative to what they were the previous 12 years or so skews the context of the "U's" demise in the late 90s.

(12-14-2023 02:03 PM)TUowl06 Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 01:09 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 11:05 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 10:21 AM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 10:14 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  People asked this same question about the Hurricanes in 1997...

When they were six years removed from a title? Doesn’t really seem like a relevant comparison.

People said all the same things. 'No on-campus stadium. No championship-calibre coach any more. Those were special times but the party's over.' Then the 'Canes stormed back and blew everybody out.

Yes, it's a relevant comparison.

ACC membership has complicated local recruiting for the 'Canes. Still, if Clemson and Florida State can run the table, so can Miami. And in a portal/NIL era it can happen fast.

I undersold it a bit. In 1997 Miami was 6 years removed from a dynasty. They were experiencing their first unranked season in 15 years. Questioning whether that program had lost its luster isn’t remotely comparable to questioning whether Miami in 2023 has lost its luster. Miami’s 20 years removed from a top 5 finish. In the 20 years prior to that they had 11 and 4 national championships.

To answer the OPs question: Yes

I'm not sure if their title in 1991 is the best barometer to gauge the end of their dynasty; I would use the word "run". The end of the first iteration of the "U" concluded in the 1994/95 Orange Bowl against Nebraska; 'Canes were #3 heading into that game. Miami was still the "U" until they lost that game and Erickson left for the NFL. Their downturn was only a handful of years. In fact, they were still more relevant in the late 90s than they are now; they were Top 25 every year except 1997. The drop off relative to what they were the previous 12 years or so skews the context of the "U's" demise in the late 90s.

They were top 20 every year between their 91 and 2001 titles except 1997 and that included #2, #3 and #6. It was a very smal dropoff.

maybe they players are going there to hang out at So Beach & FB is secondary

talent gap is razor thin, don't take much to get passed by

(12-14-2023 12:42 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 11:18 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 10:25 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Lost their luster??? Heck no!

I laughed my a$$ off at that Georgia Tech game like it was 1987.

Didn't y'all lose to Miami this year?

We really needed to get more ACC teams on the schedule as we were undefeated against them.

Congrats on beating Pitt. I hope the memory brings you years and years of comfort!

(12-14-2023 04:00 AM)Garden_KC Wrote:  Miami media market is a beautiful thing plus recruiting South Florida.

They don't have exciting attendance compared to SEC schools but a good following.

Need to be careful though or could be left out of P2.

I doubt it. They won a BCS National Championship. They'll be a part of the P2, along with all the other BCS and CFP National Champions, with a few legacy additions.

1983-2003 212-42 .835
2004-2023 148-102 .592

Just a bit

(12-14-2023 11:09 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 11:04 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  The thing is that the talent is there at Miami. They have anothr top 10 recruiting class again this year. While a packed stadium is certainly a selling point, Miami is freaking selling South Beach (and history says that Miami players actually get treated like kings there). My only wonder is how Miami loses *any* recruiting battle if they actually get the kids to visit the campus.

For whatever reason, they have not executed on maximizing the talent advantage that they have over everyone except for a very small handful of programs.

Yeah, I was fooled by their lack of results. Clicking through the 247 recruiting class ratings, they're putting up numbers there. Just not putting up top 10 seasons

All programs go through their periods of wilderness wandering.

Miami still has all its recipe ingredients on the shelf. They can put it all together at any time.