Wow Baker said all this would be discussed in like 6-8 months.

(12-10-2023 10:36 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  Not sure why the Access Bowl will be needed since the G5 will always have a rep in the 12-team playoff. I'm fully fine with that.

If payments are performance-based it would make sense to have two additional bowl games for the other conference champions, as well as consolation for first round losers.

Remember that the CFP is literally owned by the 10 conferences and Notre Dame.

(12-10-2023 05:24 PM)jimrtex Wrote:  

(12-10-2023 10:36 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  Not sure why the Access Bowl will be needed since the G5 will always have a rep in the 12-team playoff. I'm fully fine with that.

If payments are performance-based it would make sense to have two additional bowl games for the other conference champions, as well as consolation for first round losers.

Remember that the CFP is literally owned by the 10 conferences and Notre Dame.

Yeah, I think you could have 3 tiers of postseason.

A. CFP (12 teams, 11 games)

B. Access Bowls (I'd do 9 standalone bowls, other conference champs and ranked teams, between Christmas and CFP Quarterfinals)

C. Remaining Bowls (26 bowls between Army-Navy and Christmas Eve, maybe some early afternoon bowls after Christmas)

(12-10-2023 02:41 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(12-10-2023 01:43 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  G5 has lost most of those top schools like BYU (technically not, but actually yes), Cincy, UCF, Houston and SMU to P4. There are no more G5 schools with P4 level budgets.

That makes it much harder, because you can go 13-0 like Liberty did and not crack the top 20.

Once in a decade you'll see a top G5 be in position to host. But the committee's role will be to see to it that runner ups in the SEC (Georgia), B1G (Ohio State) and other big schools (e.g., think Notre Dame, LSU, Penn State, Clemson, Tennessee, Arizona) with larger fan bases and facilities for press and fans will be the hosts of the first round. 13-0 Central Michigan or Liberty or Fresno State or even Tulane is not hosting a big game. Don't kid yourself.

Does not take a P5/4 money to beat a P5/4 school. TCU, Cincinnati, Utah, UCF and Boise State are good examples with better talent with less money.

Incorrect, it does for the most part require a P5 budget. Utah, TCU and UCF had legit P5 level budgets and Cincy a near P5 budget when they were that "G5 miracles". Go check their budgets at the time.

What is more the budget gap has gotten far wider, and on top of that NIL payments. The top 20 schools have budgets of $50M or more for football and dominate results (4x CFP plus 5x NY6, plus 4x #12-17); this even with USC, Notre Dame, Miami, Florida a Clemson having poor seasons (by their standards). Among those with "lesser" budgets like Oregon, with a mere $40M (but obviously massive NIL via Nike support), round out your NY6.

You can't expect a school with a mere $13M budget, and not a huge pile of NIL, to get anywhere. The playing field is more unbalanced than ever. It's not a 2:1 or even 3:1 advantage in resources it was in 2005, it's more like a 4:1 in base budget and 6:1 or 7:1 when you figure in NIL. It's just not the same. What is more the schools that were closest to the P5 and were high ranked (Utah, TCU, Houston, Cincy, UCF) are now in the P4; that bridge group doesn't exist anymore. Only Colorado State and Temple, have budgets close to the P4 (OSU and WSU do have borderline bottom of the Big 12 level budgets now, but we'll see in 4 years when they have burned off all the Pac-12 residual cash).

This is a different era. The past is the past.

(12-10-2023 01:43 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  G5 has lost most of those top schools like BYU (technically not, but actually yes), Cincy, UCF, Houston and SMU to P4. There are no more G5 schools with P4 level budgets.

That makes it much harder, because you can go 13-0 like Liberty did and not crack the top 20.

Once in a decade you'll see a top G5 be in position to host. But the committee's role will be to see to it that runner ups in the SEC (Georgia), B1G (Ohio State) and other big schools (e.g., think Notre Dame, LSU, Penn State, Clemson, Tennessee, Arizona) with larger fan bases and facilities for press and fans will be the hostsf the first round. 13-0 Central Michigan or Liberty or Fresno State or even Tulane is not hosting a big game. Don't kid yourself.

Wrong. There is one school in the G5 that can devote whatever amount of resources needed to compete with the P4. That school is Liberty. These resources will not get them into a P4 unless someone gets desperate due to the scientific/political squeamishness.

All conferences should have access.

WAAAAAAAY too many at large teams.

Nine conf champs....three at large.

(12-10-2023 05:41 PM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  

(12-10-2023 05:24 PM)jimrtex Wrote:  

(12-10-2023 10:36 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  Not sure why the Access Bowl will be needed since the G5 will always have a rep in the 12-team playoff. I'm fully fine with that.

If payments are performance-based it would make sense to have two additional bowl games for the other conference champions, as well as consolation for first round losers.

Remember that the CFP is literally owned by the 10 conferences and Notre Dame.

Yeah, I think you could have 3 tiers of postseason.

A. CFP (12 teams, 11 games)

B. Access Bowls (I'd do 9 standalone bowls, other conference champs and ranked teams, between Christmas and CFP Quarterfinals)

C. Remaining Bowls (26 bowls between Army-Navy and Christmas Eve, maybe some early afternoon bowls after Christmas)

One thing about the standalone bowls is that it would allow for the #6 & #7 FBS champ to play each other without doing what the current Access bowl does that the P4 does not like ... which is ending the season with a respectable ranking but still having to play a Go5 school in a bowl game instead of a P4 school.

(12-11-2023 05:55 PM)indianasniff Wrote:  All conferences should have access.

WAAAAAAAY too many at large teams.

Nine conf champs....three at large.

Nope. If your team or conference wants guaranteed access theres the FCS.

(12-12-2023 10:34 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  

(12-11-2023 05:55 PM)indianasniff Wrote:  All conferences should have access.

WAAAAAAAY too many at large teams.

Nine conf champs....three at large.

Nope. If your team or conference wants guaranteed access theres the FCS.

Dont think you will see the SEC, BIG, B12 or ACC team going to the FCS playoffs anytime soon. All of those conference champs will get an auto bid.

Who are the biggest budget G5 schools left?

Memphis? Liberty?

(12-10-2023 12:22 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Access bowl is hated by the P5 schools. It's a bogey prize. Players and coaches say all the right things, but it's become really clear they don't want to be there. They resent it because the other 10 NY6 schools play "real" opponents (other P5). You almost always win betting on the G5 school to cover if not win because it's bigger than Christmas for them, while worse than a stocking full of coal for the P5 school.

But it's dead after this year. The top G5 conference Champion as determined by the CFP will be in the playoff. It's still 12 schools, just now all are in the Playoff. P4 CCG winners get a bye (very unlikely the G5 top school ranks ahead of any P4 winner, but it could happen once a decade or so), then the 4 higher seeds of the 8 host. Then 4 bowl games of the NY6 are quarterfinals, then the other two NY6 are semifinals, with a CCG like now, just probably 10 days later in January.

But the G5 spot in the 12 is still there, just no longer a consolation bowl, instead a CFP team in one of the 8 quarterfinals. The game won't be a bogey prize anymore, rather a lucky draw for a first round game with a lot on the line. The stigma of being in that game will be gone.

BTW, I'm taking Liberty to cover if not win. Motivation matters.

So, if nothing has really changed except that the bowl that they are guaranteed to be in is now part of the CFP instead of the NY6, do we really need to stop calling it the "Access Bowl"? The term is just a media invention anyway.