(12-28-2023 12:36 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  McCloud was never much of a guy that would take over a game with his legs. He only had 3 games all season where he ran over 50 yards:
South Alabama: 10 carries, 61 yds
Marshall: 6 carries, 69 yds
GA State: 13 carries, 104 yds

He was never a dual threat.
I felt like our biggest issue was the Oline. There were two guys starting for the first time facing a really good Air Force Dline. I can't speak to McCloud's attitude as I didn't see anything different than from what I usually saw from him week in and out.

Only 1 new OL starter vs AF- Sweazie at LG. The other 4 were the same as the previous 4 games.

(12-28-2023 07:49 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(12-28-2023 02:37 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(12-28-2023 02:21 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  

(12-28-2023 02:00 PM)JMU1987UVA1998 Wrote:  McCloud's ability to keep the ball on a RPO had to keep the defense honest. I wondered why he never attempted one run during Satirday's bowl game.

Probably didn't want to get hurt. Air Force is a physical team and they clearly wanted it on Saturday...

I thought so too, but if that's the case he started doing that weeks ago.
Last 3 regular season games
UConn: 8 carries -4 yards, 0 TD longest 9 yards
App St: 11 carries, -4 yards, 1 TD (6 yard) longest 10 yards
Coastal: 5 carries, 5 yards, 1 TD longest 8 yards

Everyone makes it sound like he was absolutely lighting it up on the ground. Not sure Air Force was going into the game too concerned about McCloud killing them with his legs.
He's always been a pocket QB.

I think that was Cig's major complaint against McCloud and why he wasn't invited to Bloomington, he simply makes poor decisions. When he has a mile of daylight in front of him, he continues to look for a receiver, which usually results in a sack, an incompletion, or throwing the ball away.

Absolutely maddening! I have seen him run. He is capable. He just doesn't care to. To reinforce earlier points, I think he simply doesn't like being hit.

I thought it was the OC that told him not to run?

(12-29-2023 07:02 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(12-28-2023 07:49 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(12-28-2023 02:37 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(12-28-2023 02:21 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  

(12-28-2023 02:00 PM)JMU1987UVA1998 Wrote:  McCloud's ability to keep the ball on a RPO had to keep the defense honest. I wondered why he never attempted one run during Satirday's bowl game.

Probably didn't want to get hurt. Air Force is a physical team and they clearly wanted it on Saturday...

I thought so too, but if that's the case he started doing that weeks ago.
Last 3 regular season games
UConn: 8 carries -4 yards, 0 TD longest 9 yards
App St: 11 carries, -4 yards, 1 TD (6 yard) longest 10 yards
Coastal: 5 carries, 5 yards, 1 TD longest 8 yards

Everyone makes it sound like he was absolutely lighting it up on the ground. Not sure Air Force was going into the game too concerned about McCloud killing them with his legs.
He's always been a pocket QB.

I think that was Cig's major complaint against McCloud and why he wasn't invited to Bloomington, he simply makes poor decisions. When he has a mile of daylight in front of him, he continues to look for a receiver, which usually results in a sack, an incompletion, or throwing the ball away.

Absolutely maddening! I have seen him run. He is capable. He just doesn't care to. To reinforce earlier points, I think he simply doesn't like being hit.

I thought it was the OC that told him not to run?

I wondered if that was the case, also, but it fits the same pattern as when Shanahan was OC. Maybe Shanahan told him also to not run. If either of them did that, it was a terrible directive, in my opinion. If you have the daylight McCloud had on numerous occasions, you should take off. As I said, the yardage gained, which looked like it could have been 20+ yards in some cases, would have been great, but it's how it alters the defense that is the greatest benefit.

Cole Johnson took off and ran at times and while looking like Bernie Kosar on the run had some nice gains. If they told him not to run it might have been because they saw the slow decision making and effort he produced when he did and it told him to just throw it away.

(12-29-2023 10:54 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  Cole Johnson took off and ran at times and while looking like Bernie Kosar on the run had some nice gains. If they told him not to run it might have been because they saw the slow decision making and effort he produced when he did and it told him to just throw it away.

I agree and that's my point. Cole wasn't the best runner and he knew it, but when he saw an acre of green in front of him, he capitalized on it and ran.

McCloud is a much better runner than Cole was but a horrible decision-maker. Terrence and I were watching the rerun of the bowl game and were screaming "Run, dammit!" when we saw all of the opportunities McCloud had. He could have changed the complexion of the game all by his lonesome.... except he didn't!

(12-29-2023 02:08 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 10:54 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  Cole Johnson took off and ran at times and while looking like Bernie Kosar on the run had some nice gains. If they told him not to run it might have been because they saw the slow decision making and effort he produced when he did and it told him to just throw it away.

I agree and that's my point. Cole wasn't the best runner and he knew it, but when he saw an acre of green in front of him, he capitalized on it and ran.

McCloud is a much better runner than Cole was but a horrible decision-maker. Terrence and I were watching the rerun of the bowl game and were screaming "Run, dammit!" when we saw all of the opportunities McCloud had. He could have changed the complexion of the game all by his lonesome.... except he didn't!

was just typing something similar on the other 4 threads about this........ it must have been in his head "don't run, we can't have you get hurt"

yet on the few designed run plays, he just tried to squirm through tight spaces

Sluka? QB that could be a TE probably.

Odd that neither has committed yet!

Some guys will have their visits next week. Also, especially with 1 year QBs you don’t want to commit too early and then the school signs another QB putting you into a competition for QB1. IU grabbed a portal QB then got a Mendoza who will sit, but also signed a top recruit at QB who probably expects to play right away.

(12-29-2023 03:47 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  Some guys will have their visits next week. Also, especially with 1 year QBs you don’t want to commit too early and then the school signs another QB putting you into a competition for QB1. IU grabbed a portal QB then got a Mendoza who will sit, but also signed a top recruit at QB who probably expects to play right away.

If that QB recruit cherry pans out, Mendoza most likely will stay a backup throughout his career

(12-29-2023 02:50 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 02:08 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 10:54 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  Cole Johnson took off and ran at times and while looking like Bernie Kosar on the run had some nice gains. If they told him not to run it might have been because they saw the slow decision making and effort he produced when he did and it told him to just throw it away.

I agree and that's my point. Cole wasn't the best runner and he knew it, but when he saw an acre of green in front of him, he capitalized on it and ran.

McCloud is a much better runner than Cole was but a horrible decision-maker. Terrence and I were watching the rerun of the bowl game and were screaming "Run, dammit!" when we saw all of the opportunities McCloud had. He could have changed the complexion of the game all by his lonesome.... except he didn't!

was just typing something similar on the other 4 threads about this........ it must have been in his head "don't run, we can't have you get hurt"

yet on the few designed run plays, he just tried to squirm through tight spaces

Sluka? QB that could be a TE probably.

Odd that neither has committed yet!

The dream would be to bring McCloud back as QB and then sign Sluka and line him up all over the field. That is what he would have to do if he were to have a chance at the next level, anyway. QB solved, RB solved, slot receiver solved, TE solved, plus some nice new wrinkles that defenses would not have seen before.

Chances are roughly zero that this happens, but it would be nice.

(12-29-2023 04:43 PM)purplesanman Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 02:50 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 02:08 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 10:54 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  Cole Johnson took off and ran at times and while looking like Bernie Kosar on the run had some nice gains. If they told him not to run it might have been because they saw the slow decision making and effort he produced when he did and it told him to just throw it away.

I agree and that's my point. Cole wasn't the best runner and he knew it, but when he saw an acre of green in front of him, he capitalized on it and ran.

McCloud is a much better runner than Cole was but a horrible decision-maker. Terrence and I were watching the rerun of the bowl game and were screaming "Run, dammit!" when we saw all of the opportunities McCloud had. He could have changed the complexion of the game all by his lonesome.... except he didn't!

was just typing something similar on the other 4 threads about this........ it must have been in his head "don't run, we can't have you get hurt"

yet on the few designed run plays, he just tried to squirm through tight spaces

Sluka? QB that could be a TE probably.

Odd that neither has committed yet!

The dream would be to bring McCloud back as QB and then sign Sluka and line him up all over the field. That is what he would have to do if he were to have a chance at the next level, anyway. QB solved, RB solved, slot receiver solved, TE solved, plus some nice new wrinkles that defenses would not have seen before.

Chances are roughly zero that this happens, but it would be nice.

I like that. It would be great for that type of imaginative thinking coming from our new coaching staff.

Is this guy Deebo tht can throw a bit?

(12-29-2023 04:00 PM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(12-29-2023 03:47 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  Some guys will have their visits next week. Also, especially with 1 year QBs you don’t want to commit too early and then the school signs another QB putting you into a competition for QB1. IU grabbed a portal QB then got a Mendoza who will sit, but also signed a top recruit at QB who probably expects to play right away.

If that QB recruit cherry pans out, Mendoza most likely will stay a backup throughout his career

Indiana now has five scholarship quarterbacks slated to join the team in 2024 — Sixth-year senior Ohio transfer Kurtis Rourke, redshirt sophomore Tayven Jackson, redshirt freshman Broc Lowry, and true freshmen Tyler Cherry (4-star recruit flipped from Duke) and Alberto Mendoza (previous JMU commit).

Mendoza may be looking for a new home and playing time after a year or two in that crowded QB room.

I'm not slobbering over McCloud, stay or leave, I don't care. He's a serviceable QB. I couldn't care less about stats, my eyes told me that he's a very good backup QB. Sure, he can start on a lot of teams, as he did for us, but if he's your starter, then you really don't have a starting D1 QB, as was also the case for us.

(12-30-2023 07:40 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  I'm not slobbering over McCloud, stay or leave, I don't care. He's a serviceable QB. I couldn't care less about stats, my eyes told me that he's a very good backup QB. Sure, he can start on a lot of teams, as he did for us, but if he's your starter, then you really don't have a starting D1 QB, as was also the case for us.

Thanks for the belly laugh! Seriously. Funniest post I’ve read in awhile.

(12-30-2023 01:41 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 07:40 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  I'm not slobbering over McCloud, stay or leave, I don't care. He's a serviceable QB. I couldn't care less about stats, my eyes told me that he's a very good backup QB. Sure, he can start on a lot of teams, as he did for us, but if he's your starter, then you really don't have a starting D1 QB, as was also the case for us.

Thanks for the belly laugh! Seriously. Funniest post I’ve read in awhile.

He's not wrong.

(12-30-2023 02:14 PM)Xeonon Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 01:41 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 07:40 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  I'm not slobbering over McCloud, stay or leave, I don't care. He's a serviceable QB. I couldn't care less about stats, my eyes told me that he's a very good backup QB. Sure, he can start on a lot of teams, as he did for us, but if he's your starter, then you really don't have a starting D1 QB, as was also the case for us.

Thanks for the belly laugh! Seriously. Funniest post I’ve read in awhile.

He's not wrong.

It's quite an accomplishment to go 11-2 with a bad quarterback, a bad head coach, and nowhere near enough NIL money to be competitive.

(12-30-2023 02:18 PM)94computerguy Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 02:14 PM)Xeonon Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 01:41 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 07:40 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  I'm not slobbering over McCloud, stay or leave, I don't care. He's a serviceable QB. I couldn't care less about stats, my eyes told me that he's a very good backup QB. Sure, he can start on a lot of teams, as he did for us, but if he's your starter, then you really don't have a starting D1 QB, as was also the case for us.

Thanks for the belly laugh! Seriously. Funniest post I’ve read in awhile.

He's not wrong.

It's quite an accomplishment to go 11-2 with a bad quarterback, a bad head coach, and nowhere near enough NIL money to be competitive.

The Dukes are amazing, aren't they?

(12-30-2023 02:18 PM)94computerguy Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 02:14 PM)Xeonon Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 01:41 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 07:40 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  I'm not slobbering over McCloud, stay or leave, I don't care. He's a serviceable QB. I couldn't care less about stats, my eyes told me that he's a very good backup QB. Sure, he can start on a lot of teams, as he did for us, but if he's your starter, then you really don't have a starting D1 QB, as was also the case for us.

Thanks for the belly laugh! Seriously. Funniest post I’ve read in awhile.

He's not wrong.

It's quite an accomplishment to go 11-2 with a bad quarterback, a bad head coach, and nowhere near enough NIL money to be competitive.

No one said McCloud is a bad QB. Reread the post, I know you have better reading comprehension.