(11-28-2023 02:59 PM)jmufbs Wrote:  

(11-28-2023 02:50 PM)bridgeforthduke Wrote:  

(11-28-2023 12:33 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  There's value in keeping good relationships with your new conference mates. I doubt that was THE reason we didn't file, but it's a factor to consider.

Yeah this is what I've been thinking as well. My guess is that the conference leaders were onboard with us doing everything we can when we were in a top 3 spot for the NY6 bowl, but once we lost they asked us to drop it.

We have never fallen out of the top 3 spot for the NY6 Bowl, and remain the only chance the sunbelt has of being there. nothing essentially has changed as a result of the App loss, i would argue. The loss minimally diminished our chances, but not enough to pull the injunction request and leave our student athletes, their CCG and NY6 aspirations, and individual statistics high and dry. This decision was in the best interest of ?

I don't disagree. I think with all the noise they made before the App State game they needed to follow through to not look silly. But I can understand why political pressure from your peers as well as advice from your attorneys could make the board and Alger decide it wasn't worth it.

(11-28-2023 03:14 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  ^ stop instructing adults on what to think, feel, and do

Agreed.....why move on from #firejonalger.......he has yet to actually speak or grant an interview to DNR-Shane Mettlen following multiple requests.

Jon boy Alger is a weak leader period and in my opinion has lost the privilege to represent JMU Students, JMU Alumni, and JMU Student-Athletes.

I will still support the JMU student-athletes, Duke Club, and Montpelier Collective....BUT I will NOT support any other general fundraising efforts at JMU as long as Jon Alger is president.

He did not even make the trip to Coastal Carolina to support the team after his decision to pull the plug......Jeff Bourne was there, Tim Miller was there and each were mingling and quite approachable. But no Jon Alger to be seen.

Good thing about going to school at JMU in the mid-1980's you didn't have to worry with politics being in your face or as pervasive/in your face as it is today so give it a break JMUskinsCaps.

The only person shoving politics into anyone’s face on this thread is you. And we agree about Alger! But seriously, think about it.

(11-28-2023 06:14 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  The only person shoving politics into anyone’s face on this thread is you. And we agree about Alger! But seriously, think about it.

This! Time to move on everyone. There are lots of great things going on. Just my thought. Go Dukes!’


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Ask this question again after Saturday if Liberty loses to New Mexico State and Tulane loses to SMU.

It may not happen, but if it does, Jon-Boy and Keith Gill will have a lot to explain. Of course, Jon-Boy doesn't and won't explain anything as he doesn't grant interviews. What a leader we have!

Instead of wondering where we will go bowling in about 3 weeks, we COULD be this this weekend:

https://troytrojans.com/news/2023/11/25/...unced.aspx

(11-28-2023 03:18 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(11-28-2023 03:14 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  ^ stop instructing adults on what to think, feel, and do

I was unaware I was speaking to an adult.

When Longhorn gets on his high horse, I think of this guy every time

(11-28-2023 08:10 PM)olddawg Wrote:  

(11-28-2023 03:18 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(11-28-2023 03:14 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  ^ stop instructing adults on what to think, feel, and do

I was unaware I was speaking to an adult.

When Longhorn gets on his high horse, I think of this guy every time

I stop by this forum every few weeks to see what the old gang is riled up about, and one of my take-aways is that Longhorn consistently comes across as one of the most reasonable and rational folks here.

(11-28-2023 12:30 PM)JMU1987UVA1998 Wrote:  

(11-28-2023 11:41 AM)Dukes_Royals Wrote:  

(11-28-2023 11:22 AM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  At that point...filing...and even going to court once would not have been. $1M investment...could have pushed this further

The hiding behind Twitter and other proxies by Alger is just a bad, bad look...I really thought and hoped he'd come farther than that as a leader

But it isn't true JMU would only file and then go to court only once to get the TRO and injunction. That is a temporary measure to allow the aggrieved party relief, while the courts decide the actual merits. There would have been costly discovery and further dates in court afterwards because it clearly appeared the NCAA was not going to fold.

They settled with UNC before a suit was even publicly mentioned, but let JMU go the entire way to hiring a firm and mentioning serving of notice.

I understand most of this board hates Alger, but legal matters are definitely his expertise and he has sat on the NCAA board of directors long enough to get a sense of their opinions and courses of action.

But I agree he should move on from JMU to an Ivy or Ivy adjacent presidential role since he would be better suited for a school that puts academics first.

He's more worried about receiving a christmas card from his fellow Sun Belt Presidents than p1$$ing in their cornflakes wanting JMU to be placed in the Sun Belt Championship Game which our team deserved irrespective of the loss to App State. Grow a set.....

No no no. He only sends and accepts Happy Holiday cards as he is decorating his Holiday tree as per official JMU terminology.
Don’t you dare use “Christmas” since it may offend the 5% while the other 95% should convert to Algerism.

(11-28-2023 04:13 PM)JMU1987UVA1998 Wrote:  Good thing about going to school at JMU in the mid-1980's you didn't have to worry with politics being in your face or as pervasive/in your face as it is today so give it a break JMUskinsCaps.

Uh oh.

(11-28-2023 09:28 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  

(11-28-2023 12:30 PM)JMU1987UVA1998 Wrote:  

(11-28-2023 11:41 AM)Dukes_Royals Wrote:  

(11-28-2023 11:22 AM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  At that point...filing...and even going to court once would not have been. $1M investment...could have pushed this further

The hiding behind Twitter and other proxies by Alger is just a bad, bad look...I really thought and hoped he'd come farther than that as a leader

But it isn't true JMU would only file and then go to court only once to get the TRO and injunction. That is a temporary measure to allow the aggrieved party relief, while the courts decide the actual merits. There would have been costly discovery and further dates in court afterwards because it clearly appeared the NCAA was not going to fold.

They settled with UNC before a suit was even publicly mentioned, but let JMU go the entire way to hiring a firm and mentioning serving of notice.

I understand most of this board hates Alger, but legal matters are definitely his expertise and he has sat on the NCAA board of directors long enough to get a sense of their opinions and courses of action.

But I agree he should move on from JMU to an Ivy or Ivy adjacent presidential role since he would be better suited for a school that puts academics first.

He's more worried about receiving a christmas card from his fellow Sun Belt Presidents than p1$$ing in their cornflakes wanting JMU to be placed in the Sun Belt Championship Game which our team deserved irrespective of the loss to App State. Grow a set.....

No no no. He only sends and accepts Happy Holiday cards as he is decorating his Holiday tree as per official JMU terminology.
Don’t you dare use “Christmas” since it may offend the 5% while the other 95% should convert to Algerism.

One of the obscure "founding fathers" (some short guy who I think got elected to something) once wrote a paper outlining how it would be inappropriate for Virginia to establish a state religion. As a result, studiously avoiding mention of any religious holidays is a prudent use of state-owned documents.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_S...us_Freedom

It appears the 5% who are most offended by such agnosticism now are the ones who believe "freedom of religion" means "any type of protestantism".

(11-28-2023 11:18 PM)94computerguy Wrote:  

(11-28-2023 09:28 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  

(11-28-2023 12:30 PM)JMU1987UVA1998 Wrote:  

(11-28-2023 11:41 AM)Dukes_Royals Wrote:  

(11-28-2023 11:22 AM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  At that point...filing...and even going to court once would not have been. $1M investment...could have pushed this further

The hiding behind Twitter and other proxies by Alger is just a bad, bad look...I really thought and hoped he'd come farther than that as a leader

But it isn't true JMU would only file and then go to court only once to get the TRO and injunction. That is a temporary measure to allow the aggrieved party relief, while the courts decide the actual merits. There would have been costly discovery and further dates in court afterwards because it clearly appeared the NCAA was not going to fold.

They settled with UNC before a suit was even publicly mentioned, but let JMU go the entire way to hiring a firm and mentioning serving of notice.

I understand most of this board hates Alger, but legal matters are definitely his expertise and he has sat on the NCAA board of directors long enough to get a sense of their opinions and courses of action.

But I agree he should move on from JMU to an Ivy or Ivy adjacent presidential role since he would be better suited for a school that puts academics first.

He's more worried about receiving a christmas card from his fellow Sun Belt Presidents than p1$$ing in their cornflakes wanting JMU to be placed in the Sun Belt Championship Game which our team deserved irrespective of the loss to App State. Grow a set.....

No no no. He only sends and accepts Happy Holiday cards as he is decorating his Holiday tree as per official JMU terminology.
Don’t you dare use “Christmas” since it may offend the 5% while the other 95% should convert to Algerism.

One of the obscure "founding fathers" (some short guy who I think got elected to something) once wrote a paper outlining how it would be inappropriate for Virginia to establish a state religion. As a result, studiously avoiding mention of any religious holidays is a prudent use of state-owned documents.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_S...us_Freedom

It appears the 5% who are most offended by such agnosticism now are the ones who believe "freedom of religion" means "any type of protestantism".

I don’t think what you are referencing or your founding father says what you think it says. Try this: https://www.loc.gov/loc/madison/hutson-paper.html

But more importantly, let’s get back to talking about the JMU Dukes!

Let's also not forget that under Alger, what really happened was that any *Christian* traditions were removed...yetother religions were allowed to continue unabated on campus

Omnis o nihil as they used to say in old Rome...

(I *think* a couple of them were also given some operating funds - that would need to be verified)

Let’s ALSO not forget that Alger won’t even celebrate WHITE HISTORY MONTH despite the enrolled population being 75% white!!!!1!

Man this board sucks sometimes.

What would our conversations have been if we had not become bowl eligible? It seemed to me we were real lucky with game outcomes to be bowl eligible. I liked the AG & Rich. Law Firm & BOV actions to get NCAA moving in our direction for bowl eligibility. I would be pissed off this week if our luck ran short last weekend with Wins & Losses and we didn't make bowl list. I guess true leadership action and lucking outcomes come hand and hand sometime.

The lawsuit (for me) was never about getting us into a bowl. It was about positioning JMU for SBC CCG access and all that comes with that opportunity. And maybe more importantly, just fighting for what is obviously right.

The narrative of “see, we got into a bowl without legal action” shows me some people just don’t get it. (Or they’re being intentionally dishonest.)

(11-29-2023 07:13 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  The lawsuit (for me) was never about getting us into a bowl. It was about positioning JMU for SBC CCG access and all that comes with that opportunity. And maybe more importantly, just fighting for what is obviously right.

The narrative of “see, we got into a bowl without legal action” shows me some people just don’t get it. (Or they’re being intentionally dishonest.)

But the lawsuit was going to be us against the NCAA, our beef with the SBC was they wouldn’t honor us unless the NCAA did. We could’ve and should’ve fought that SBC separately and much earlier and could’ve gotten them to fold much easier than having an AG threaten a lawsuit in federal court. Again, the other schools we joined the SBC with (Marshall, ODU and SoMiss) were eligible for the SBC title game from day 1 but we weren’t. I understand we were a transitioning school and they wanted to protect the NY6 bid, but way back in September when we beat Troy it was obvious any path to the NY6 went through JMU. Gill stood off to the side reaping the benefits of the exposure JMU brought the SBC and said all the right things, but could’ve led the change here instead of saying it’s a rule, it’s on him, it’s on the NCAA, it’s on the presidents to vote, take a firm stance! And we suffered so Delaware didn’t have to leaving the CAA, hopefully the SBC changes this bylaw as well.

I don’t have an issue with the SBC making our CCG access dependent on the NCAA eligibility. That seems logical to me.

(11-29-2023 07:24 AM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  We could’ve and should’ve fought that SBC separately and much earlier and could’ve gotten them to fold much easier than having an AG threaten a lawsuit in federal court.

This seems like strong strong opinion. I can't imagine what evidence there is to support the claim that we would have gotten our conference mates "to fold" to let us play in the CCG. My opinion is they would have clung to the "rules are rules" argument. Human nature never changes.

(11-29-2023 07:13 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  The lawsuit (for me) was never about getting us into a bowl. It was about positioning JMU for SBC CCG access and all that comes with that opportunity. And maybe more importantly, just fighting for what is obviously right.

The narrative of “see, we got into a bowl without legal action” shows me some people just don’t get it. (Or they’re being intentionally dishonest.)

This is my position also. It was also Cignetti's position. Near the end of the season, he was asked about getting into a bowl and his response was: "This has been about competing for a Championship. That's what we do here at JMU. We compete for Championships."