(11-22-2023 09:31 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-21-2023 09:21 PM)ImfromClayton Wrote:  If ECU got it, I don’t want it. You can have it back.

Yes, yes we do want it. R1 schools receive more federal/private funding. Given Charlotte is either at the bottom or near the bottom in state funding per student (last I checked) due to the eggheads in Raleigh, reaching R1 status should mandate increased school funding, which will help attract faculty and students.

Francis he was joking around.

WSOC TV (ABC) reported yesterday what we knew was coming, but it is nice to see it in the news.

Quote:UNC Charlotte is poised to gain R1 status in 2025 — a classification that recognizes the ever-increasing amount of research it conducts and its roster of top-level talent. It also stands to catapult the university — and region — forward.

https://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/unc-ch...D4TERVSU4/

Perhaps even bigger news is Wegman's is coming to Charlotte in Q3 2026.

(11-22-2023 09:31 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-21-2023 09:21 PM)ImfromClayton Wrote:  If ECU got it, I don’t want it. You can have it back.

Yes, yes we do want it. R1 schools receive more federal/private funding. Given Charlotte is either at the bottom or near the bottom in state funding per student (last I checked) due to the eggheads in Raleigh, reaching R1 status should mandate increased school funding, which will help attract faculty and students.

that is not true at all it has nothing to do with any federal or private funding.....there are no federal grants and no private grants that are only open to institutions with that classification

clt hopes ecu can get to R1 as well!

how many years did it take you?

(04-15-2024 06:23 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(11-22-2023 09:31 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-21-2023 09:21 PM)ImfromClayton Wrote:  If ECU got it, I don’t want it. You can have it back.

Yes, yes we do want it. R1 schools receive more federal/private funding. Given Charlotte is either at the bottom or near the bottom in state funding per student (last I checked) due to the eggheads in Raleigh, reaching R1 status should mandate increased school funding, which will help attract faculty and students.

that is not true at all it has nothing to do with any federal or private funding.....there are no federal grants and no private grants that are only open to institutions with that classification

Semantics. Has more to do with attracting said grants. Sure, those grants may be available to all, but the R1s will attract the most, which is the point of going R1.

UNC-System Schools and the “R1” Wars

Quote:Colleges and universities grouped in the Carnegie Classifications’ most elite category become a magnet for greater research funding. That amplifies their ability to recruit top-tier professors and students. In turn, universities can expand the number of research projects that, conventional wisdom holds, contribute to the public good, economic growth, and social mobility.

This is a good thing. No reason Chapel Hill and State should be the only schools capable of attracting the the most funding.

(04-15-2024 06:25 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt hopes ecu can get to R1 as well!

how many years did it take you?

I think we’ve been R2 for around 30 years, pirates correct me if I’m wrong. Wasn’t a primary focus of the university until recently from what I’ve been told. So probably since Dr Roger’s took over that it was moved to the front of other priorities I’m guessing. So maybe 4 or 5 years max?

(04-16-2024 11:36 AM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  

(04-15-2024 06:25 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt hopes ecu can get to R1 as well!

how many years did it take you?

I think we’ve been R2 for around 30 years, pirates correct me if I’m wrong. Wasn’t a primary focus of the university until recently from what I’ve been told. So probably since Dr Roger’s took over that it was moved to the front of other priorities I’m guessing. So maybe 4 or 5 years max?

Spot on. The mission of the University has been to serve an underfunded and often ignored region of the state of NC that has been impacted by adversely.

Dr. Rogers who is a son of ENC has done a fantastic job that is starting to pay dividends impacting the region and the University. Whether it's his leadership of the AAC, work with Carnegie, work with Intersect East, or Mr. Beast he is very effective leader who will advance East Carolina and ENC.

clt says mr beast should be the ecu chancellor, that would be perfect

(04-16-2024 01:58 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt says mr beast should be the ecu chancellor, that would be perfect

Pirate Rep says that would require Mr. Beast to get a degree first

(04-16-2024 01:16 PM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  

(04-16-2024 11:36 AM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  

(04-15-2024 06:25 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt hopes ecu can get to R1 as well!

how many years did it take you?

I think we’ve been R2 for around 30 years, pirates correct me if I’m wrong. Wasn’t a primary focus of the university until recently from what I’ve been told. So probably since Dr Roger’s took over that it was moved to the front of other priorities I’m guessing. So maybe 4 or 5 years max?

Spot on. The mission of the University has been to serve an underfunded and often ignored region of the state of NC that has been impacted by adversely.

Dr. Rogers who is a son of ENC has done a fantastic job that is starting to pay dividends impacting the region and the University. Whether it's his leadership of the AAC, work with Carnegie, work with Intersect East, or Mr. Beast he is very effective leader who will advance East Carolina and ENC.

His second time at ECU in a leadership role as well so he has a wholistic knowledge of ECU’s mission, history, and operating environment. His wife is a double ECU alum and adjunct professor and comes from an ECU family. They’re ECU people and they honestly care about the University. And what you see is really who they are, they’re very grounded and genuine. IMHO ECU has not been in a better position from a leadership standpoint since Leo Jenkins. And we all know Leo’s legacy. Hell the entire UNC system outside of the evil twins in the Triangle owe their university status to Leo and his fight for university status for ECU.

(04-17-2024 10:25 AM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  

(04-16-2024 01:16 PM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  

(04-16-2024 11:36 AM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  

(04-15-2024 06:25 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt hopes ecu can get to R1 as well!

how many years did it take you?

I think we’ve been R2 for around 30 years, pirates correct me if I’m wrong. Wasn’t a primary focus of the university until recently from what I’ve been told. So probably since Dr Roger’s took over that it was moved to the front of other priorities I’m guessing. So maybe 4 or 5 years max?

Spot on. The mission of the University has been to serve an underfunded and often ignored region of the state of NC that has been impacted by adversely.

Dr. Rogers who is a son of ENC has done a fantastic job that is starting to pay dividends impacting the region and the University. Whether it's his leadership of the AAC, work with Carnegie, work with Intersect East, or Mr. Beast he is very effective leader who will advance East Carolina and ENC.

His second time at ECU in a leadership role as well so he has a wholistic knowledge of ECU’s mission, history, and operating environment. His wife is a double ECU alum and adjunct professor and comes from an ECU family. They’re ECU people and they honestly care about the University. And what you see is really who they are, they’re very grounded and genuine. IMHO ECU has not been in a better position from a leadership standpoint since Leo Jenkins. And we all know Leo’s legacy. Hell the entire UNC system outside of the evil twins in the Triangle owe their university status to Leo and his fight for university status for ECU.

Uhh, not Charlotte (or UNCG) as we were both in the UNC System well before ECU.

(11-21-2023 01:36 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(11-21-2023 01:06 PM)VA49er Wrote:  ... reduced the criteria for reaching R1 status...

Anyone else concerned about this dumbing down of academic qualifications?

I just read this post. You took the words right out of my mouth.

(04-17-2024 02:39 PM)PSCNiner Wrote:  

(04-17-2024 10:25 AM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  

(04-16-2024 01:16 PM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  

(04-16-2024 11:36 AM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  

(04-15-2024 06:25 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt hopes ecu can get to R1 as well!

how many years did it take you?

I think we’ve been R2 for around 30 years, pirates correct me if I’m wrong. Wasn’t a primary focus of the university until recently from what I’ve been told. So probably since Dr Roger’s took over that it was moved to the front of other priorities I’m guessing. So maybe 4 or 5 years max?

Spot on. The mission of the University has been to serve an underfunded and often ignored region of the state of NC that has been impacted by adversely.

Dr. Rogers who is a son of ENC has done a fantastic job that is starting to pay dividends impacting the region and the University. Whether it's his leadership of the AAC, work with Carnegie, work with Intersect East, or Mr. Beast he is very effective leader who will advance East Carolina and ENC.

His second time at ECU in a leadership role as well so he has a wholistic knowledge of ECU’s mission, history, and operating environment. His wife is a double ECU alum and adjunct professor and comes from an ECU family. They’re ECU people and they honestly care about the University. And what you see is really who they are, they’re very grounded and genuine. IMHO ECU has not been in a better position from a leadership standpoint since Leo Jenkins. And we all know Leo’s legacy. Hell the entire UNC system outside of the evil twins in the Triangle owe their university status to Leo and his fight for university status for ECU.

Uhh, not Charlotte (or UNCG) as we were both in the UNC System well before ECU.

Ok buddy hope you feel better

(04-17-2024 03:32 PM)Green Menace Wrote:  

(11-21-2023 01:36 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(11-21-2023 01:06 PM)VA49er Wrote:  ... reduced the criteria for reaching R1 status...

Anyone else concerned about this dumbing down of academic qualifications?

I just read this post. You took the words right out of my mouth.

R1 is not exactly related to academics, it is primarily about the volume of research being done by schools. Going to R1 doesn't mean you will get more research dollars, it means because you have gotten more research dollars you are now in the R1 classification. Clearly all of the pieces tie together, but the modified criteria to become R1 just changes the number where it happens. A school like Charlotte is still growing their research dollars and always will be. Like most every school in the AAC, it demonstrates our commitment to be that kind of a university.

Congratulations, fellas!!

Congrats you guys.

(04-17-2024 05:41 PM)Nugget49er Wrote:  

(04-17-2024 03:32 PM)Green Menace Wrote:  

(11-21-2023 01:36 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(11-21-2023 01:06 PM)VA49er Wrote:  ... reduced the criteria for reaching R1 status...

Anyone else concerned about this dumbing down of academic qualifications?

I just read this post. You took the words right out of my mouth.

R1 is not exactly related to academics, it is primarily about the volume of research being done by schools. Going to R1 doesn't mean you will get more research dollars, it means because you have gotten more research dollars you are now in the R1 classification. Clearly all of the pieces tie together, but the modified criteria to become R1 just changes the number where it happens. A school like Charlotte is still growing their research dollars and always will be. Like most every school in the AAC, it demonstrates our commitment to be that kind of a university.

It is not related to academics at all they make that very clear in the FAQs and they made it even more clear in the past

They make zero evaluations of academic quality or teaching quality and in fact they make it clear they do not even evaluate the quality of research just total dollars

In addition they make no adjustments for the size of the faculty and the number of tenure or tenure track "primary investigators"......so a university with 12,000 FTE students and 1,000 tenure or tenure track FTE faculty (12 to 1 student to faculty ratio) is evaluated the same as one that is 48,000 FTE students with 2,200 FTE faculty (21.8 student to faculty ratio) with 1,200 more faculty conducting research

(04-17-2024 07:49 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(04-17-2024 05:41 PM)Nugget49er Wrote:  

(04-17-2024 03:32 PM)Green Menace Wrote:  

(11-21-2023 01:36 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(11-21-2023 01:06 PM)VA49er Wrote:  ... reduced the criteria for reaching R1 status...

Anyone else concerned about this dumbing down of academic qualifications?

I just read this post. You took the words right out of my mouth.

R1 is not exactly related to academics, it is primarily about the volume of research being done by schools. Going to R1 doesn't mean you will get more research dollars, it means because you have gotten more research dollars you are now in the R1 classification. Clearly all of the pieces tie together, but the modified criteria to become R1 just changes the number where it happens. A school like Charlotte is still growing their research dollars and always will be. Like most every school in the AAC, it demonstrates our commitment to be that kind of a university.

It is not related to academics at all they make that very clear in the FAQs and they made it even more clear in the past

They make zero evaluations of academic quality or teaching quality and in fact they make it clear they do not even evaluate the quality of research just total dollars

In addition they make no adjustments for the size of the faculty and the number of tenure or tenure track "primary investigators"......so a university with 12,000 FTE students and 1,000 tenure or tenure track FTE faculty (12 to 1 student to faculty ratio) is evaluated the same as one that is 48,000 FTE students with 2,200 FTE faculty (21.8 student to faculty ratio) with 1,200 more faculty conducting research

Absolutely correct. Has zero to do with academics or rankings. It’s about volume.

Also, I have been told that the number of PhD’s currently primarily teaching is going to see what might be a significant shift with those PhD’s moving into greater research roles and undergraduate teaching primarily being handled by professors holding masters degrees. Any truth to this?

Congrats to ECU/UNCC/FAU. This is great for your institutions. Does this make the entire AAC R1?

This seems to be more about how they're classifying R1 than it does any sort of higher performance at the 3 schools.