(11-21-2023 07:34 AM)wmmii Wrote:  I think we have unanimous agreement that the way Huge dismissed Tony was wrong. MBB program was resurrected by Tony and the College owes him great respect for his achievements

Let us focus on the issues of today

I agree. But I think it’s appropriate to address the argument that “we tried hiring a new coach with Dane; if we try hiring another new coach now it will just be the same.” (Sorry for the poor paraphrase of that argument).

Everything clearly isn’t perfect now, but the situations are not identical.

So resigning to the fact that we probably aren't going to dismiss Dane midseason (even though i stand by that we should), we are looking at approximately 300k opening up this coming year (end of Tony's contract) to hire a new coach if we're forced to pay Dane out (which I also think some lawyering could get us out of)?

That's not enough to land a whale and the idea of waiting another year for the other 300k seems like it would set back fundraising support way too much and there's no guarantee, I imagine, that the money will be used for a new coach.

What I've been trying to say is that you can spin a program in a year now. The portal has changed all the rules, you can get super experienced guys who are game ready, you just have to know how to use them. That was never the case before! 300k is plenty to bring a d3, d2, or lower d1 head coach in. We've got to stop looking for a float down from a p5 or a10 that is going to want 500k+...unless we want to sacrifice integrity and find a pitino or beard.

To wmintheburg, fair enough, if we don't fire Dane and bring in someone at the end of the season who lays out a very clear plan of how they will win, and does it with energy and fire, I will email Mann. As John Mulaney would say....I already gave the school tens of thousands, they're like a crackhead uncle every time they ask me for more money. I've given them plenty, they can listen to what I have to say.
I strongly disagree with your framing that it is asking players to make more shots. I don't know how many different ways and times I can say or show that the portal rule has made a world of difference and a different philosophy on who and how you hire is needed. It's a dream for us and in the two years it has existed we've totally squandered the opportunity.

The interesting thing about this team is that only Houpt is out of eligibility after this season. I doubt that Milkereit comes back due to his knee, but he can come back for another year if everyone is on that page. That means that the team that we have now is next year's team for the most part unless people transfer out, and many have already used their free pass. If I'm a coach looking to come in and replace Fischer it isn't like a barren waste land.

(11-21-2023 09:32 AM)Tribe32 Wrote:  The interesting thing about this team is that only Houpt is out of eligibility after this season. I doubt that Milkereit comes back due to his knee, but he can come back for another year if everyone is on that page. That means that the team that we have now is next year's team for the most part unless people transfer out, and many have already used their free pass. If I'm a coach looking to come in and replace Fischer it isn't like a barren waste land.

I'm pretty sure if there is a coaching change, players are allowed a 1 time transfer without penalty. Am I remembering that wrong? Also, it's possible that some of our transfer-ins are graduating. There are no restrictions once you graduate.

I think Collier, Case and Dorsey could be graduating this spring.

(11-21-2023 10:16 AM)mrjoolius Wrote:  

(11-21-2023 09:32 AM)Tribe32 Wrote:  The interesting thing about this team is that only Houpt is out of eligibility after this season. I doubt that Milkereit comes back due to his knee, but he can come back for another year if everyone is on that page. That means that the team that we have now is next year's team for the most part unless people transfer out, and many have already used their free pass. If I'm a coach looking to come in and replace Fischer it isn't like a barren waste land.

I'm pretty sure if there is a coaching change, players are allowed a 1 time transfer without penalty. Am I remembering that wrong? Also, it's possible that some of our transfer-ins are graduating. There are no restrictions once you graduate.

You are correct on both accounts. Our roster looks like something like this:
Eligible for transfer due to graduation or still having one-time:
C. Dorsey, Case, Collier, Lowe, Milk man, Williams, Karasinski, Hamilton, Lemond

Potentially eligible if graduating in three years:
G. Dorsey

Ineligible unless Coach is fired: T. Moss (G. Dorsey)

Out of eligibility: Houpt

[walk-ons not included]

I don't think it matters though. If (when!) someone new is brought in available scholarships are a commodity not a drawback.

(11-21-2023 08:45 AM)Blow Gym rat Wrote:  

(11-21-2023 07:34 AM)wmmii Wrote:  I think we have unanimous agreement that the way Huge dismissed Tony was wrong. MBB program was resurrected by Tony and the College owes him great respect for his achievements

Let us focus on the issues of today

I agree. But I think it’s appropriate to address the argument that “we tried hiring a new coach with Dane; if we try hiring another new coach now it will just be the same.” (Sorry for the poor paraphrase of that argument).

The argument isn't so much that we shouldn't be hiring a new coach. It's that getting a good cheap coach that wants to come here isn't an easy or sure thing. It's not a defense of staying the course, it's just a recognition that we are where we are because of a rash decision without a plan in place. Even if we're throwing $250-300k at a coach like we are now, you hire a new coach with a 3-4 year contract. If we're perpetually paying 2 coaches, it limits our coaching searches even more.

I think that if we are serious we need to spend more like 500-700k to get someone who could make a difference. If we aren't willing to spend that much, then admit it and move along and maybe catch lightening in a bottle like we did with Shaver.

(11-21-2023 09:32 AM)Tribe32 Wrote:  The interesting thing about this team is that only Houpt is out of eligibility after this season. I doubt that Milkereit comes back due to his knee, but he can come back for another year if everyone is on that page. That means that the team that we have now is next year's team for the most part unless people transfer out, and many have already used their free pass. If I'm a coach looking to come in and replace Fischer it isn't like a barren waste land.

I agree with Mr J that a coaching change creates a new free pass



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NCAA Rules:

An athlete must still follow the same steps to transfer and their eligibility will depend upon the same rules and academic requirements regardless of whether their team has had a coaching change.

At the NCAA Division I level, however, a coaching change can potentially have an impact on an athlete’s scholarship if the new coaching staff doesn’t see that athlete as a good fit for the program.

(11-21-2023 02:11 PM)billymac Wrote:  NCAA Rules:

An athlete must still follow the same steps to transfer and their eligibility will depend upon the same rules and academic requirements regardless of whether their team has had a coaching change.

At the NCAA Division I level, however, a coaching change can potentially have an impact on an athlete’s scholarship if the new coaching staff doesn’t see that athlete as a good fit for the program.

BillyMac-Thanks for taking the time to get correct answer!


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Looking at the game logs the biggest difference between the American game and the Air Force tourney games was three-point defense. Are they missing Case that much? He had +21 in the American game (second on the team behind Lowe’s +26).

Three games in four days and 6000 feet higher above sea level may have contributed to it. We didn't defend the three well against Lindenwood either. I didn't see the Omaha game.

(11-21-2023 03:44 PM)WillaMary08 Wrote:  Looking at the game logs the biggest difference between the American game and the Air Force tourney games was three-point defense. Are they missing Case that much? He had +21 in the American game (second on the team behind Lowe’s +26).

Good insight


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