(11-14-2023 07:33 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 11:00 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(11-12-2023 06:22 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Glad you do and we can disagree on that. However, it doesn't change the fact that the team has played 2 games so far and got a 10 point win at home over a school, quite frankly I had to look up to see what conference they play in because I have never heard of Georgia Southern and we lost by 39 to a team that no one is predicting to be very good this season. It is literally impossible to know if this team is better than last year's team. I personally don't see how losing an NBA player and Noah Farrakhan makes you better but we shall see. It is why we play the games.

You are raising some valid points losing Noah and Bates. But I think there might be a couple things going on:
1) This years recruiting class was way better then we were expecting. Makes us possibly deeper AND more experienced than last year.
2) It seems that Coach Heath scrapped the “pro style” coaching scheme.

About the 39 point loss, I don’t think Butler is going to be bad. They have only played mid majors so far, but are killing them. Schedule linked below- at half time they were up 34 points against SE Missouri St, and up 25 points on East Tennesse St, yet only up 8 points at half time against EMU. All 3 teams were going to lose to Butler, but EMU lasted the longest. It is concerning of course that it fell apart so much and so fast in the second half.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket.../_/id/2086

Good points Ramy. I just chafe when we get a declaration of "We are waaay better than last year's team" after exactly 2 games, one of which was a 39 point loss! It is nothing more than a thinly veiled jab at their beloved scapegoat, a very passive aggressive way to root for a team.

"Way better" or "Waaay better" if you speak Welchersham have never been posted on this website by anyone. The term simply "better" has. Chafe to your heart delight Mr. Shallow Pockets, but I think this team will exceed 8 wins. In fact, I would propose a wager, but based on your history, that would be insane. Chafe on!

(11-14-2023 06:36 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(11-14-2023 07:33 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 11:00 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(11-12-2023 06:22 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Glad you do and we can disagree on that. However, it doesn't change the fact that the team has played 2 games so far and got a 10 point win at home over a school, quite frankly I had to look up to see what conference they play in because I have never heard of Georgia Southern and we lost by 39 to a team that no one is predicting to be very good this season. It is literally impossible to know if this team is better than last year's team. I personally don't see how losing an NBA player and Noah Farrakhan makes you better but we shall see. It is why we play the games.

You are raising some valid points losing Noah and Bates. But I think there might be a couple things going on:
1) This years recruiting class was way better then we were expecting. Makes us possibly deeper AND more experienced than last year.
2) It seems that Coach Heath scrapped the “pro style” coaching scheme.

About the 39 point loss, I don’t think Butler is going to be bad. They have only played mid majors so far, but are killing them. Schedule linked below- at half time they were up 34 points against SE Missouri St, and up 25 points on East Tennesse St, yet only up 8 points at half time against EMU. All 3 teams were going to lose to Butler, but EMU lasted the longest. It is concerning of course that it fell apart so much and so fast in the second half.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket.../_/id/2086

Good points Ramy. I just chafe when we get a declaration of "We are waaay better than last year's team" after exactly 2 games, one of which was a 39 point loss! It is nothing more than a thinly veiled jab at their beloved scapegoat, a very passive aggressive way to root for a team.

"Way better" or "Waaay better" if you speak Welchersham have never been posted on this website by anyone. The term simply "better" has. Chafe to your heart delight Mr. Shallow Pockets, but I think this team will exceed 8 wins. In fact, I would propose a wager, but based on your history, that would be insane. Chafe on!

As I peruse the schedule, there are 6 guaranteed wins on it. We have 1 in the bag already with the Georgia Southern victory. So you are saying that EMU will find at least 3 more wins in addition to GSU, Central Arkansas, North Dakota, Lake Superior State, Hampton, and Northwood...Cleveland State, Oakland, and U of D must be viewed as toss ups. Not exactly going out on a limb! I would hope we can get at least 3 wins in MAC play.

Last year's OOC schedule was more difficult with only 2 potential guaranteed wins--Wayne State and Fort Wayne. Somehow we lost to Fort Wayne but were able to recoup with a wins vs FIU and Detroit.

(11-14-2023 07:11 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(11-14-2023 06:36 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(11-14-2023 07:33 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 11:00 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(11-12-2023 06:22 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Glad you do and we can disagree on that. However, it doesn't change the fact that the team has played 2 games so far and got a 10 point win at home over a school, quite frankly I had to look up to see what conference they play in because I have never heard of Georgia Southern and we lost by 39 to a team that no one is predicting to be very good this season. It is literally impossible to know if this team is better than last year's team. I personally don't see how losing an NBA player and Noah Farrakhan makes you better but we shall see. It is why we play the games.

You are raising some valid points losing Noah and Bates. But I think there might be a couple things going on:
1) This years recruiting class was way better then we were expecting. Makes us possibly deeper AND more experienced than last year.
2) It seems that Coach Heath scrapped the “pro style” coaching scheme.

About the 39 point loss, I don’t think Butler is going to be bad. They have only played mid majors so far, but are killing them. Schedule linked below- at half time they were up 34 points against SE Missouri St, and up 25 points on East Tennesse St, yet only up 8 points at half time against EMU. All 3 teams were going to lose to Butler, but EMU lasted the longest. It is concerning of course that it fell apart so much and so fast in the second half.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket.../_/id/2086

Good points Ramy. I just chafe when we get a declaration of "We are waaay better than last year's team" after exactly 2 games, one of which was a 39 point loss! It is nothing more than a thinly veiled jab at their beloved scapegoat, a very passive aggressive way to root for a team.

"Way better" or "Waaay better" if you speak Welchersham have never been posted on this website by anyone. The term simply "better" has. Chafe to your heart delight Mr. Shallow Pockets, but I think this team will exceed 8 wins. In fact, I would propose a wager, but based on your history, that would be insane. Chafe on!

As I peruse the schedule, there are 6 guaranteed wins on it. We have 1 in the bag already with the Georgia Southern victory. So you are saying that EMU will find at least 3 more wins in addition to GSU, Central Arkansas, North Dakota, Lake Superior State, Hampton, and Northwood...Cleveland State, Oakland, and U of D must be viewed as toss ups. Not exactly going out on a limb! I would hope we can get at least 3 wins in MAC play.

Last year's OOC schedule was more difficult with only 2 potential guaranteed wins--Wayne State and Fort Wayne. Somehow we lost to Fort Wayne but were able to recoup with a wins vs FIU and Detroit.

My bad indeed. The savant that you are, I did not realize how powerful the opponents of last season like Winthrop, UC San Diego, FIU, Illinois St and Niagra were. They all probably were "jobbed" out of NCAA or NIT invites. I doubt many teams could have survived that treacherous gauntlet of opponents.

(11-14-2023 07:50 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(11-14-2023 07:11 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(11-14-2023 06:36 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(11-14-2023 07:33 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 11:00 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  You are raising some valid points losing Noah and Bates. But I think there might be a couple things going on:
1) This years recruiting class was way better then we were expecting. Makes us possibly deeper AND more experienced than last year.
2) It seems that Coach Heath scrapped the “pro style” coaching scheme.

About the 39 point loss, I don’t think Butler is going to be bad. They have only played mid majors so far, but are killing them. Schedule linked below- at half time they were up 34 points against SE Missouri St, and up 25 points on East Tennesse St, yet only up 8 points at half time against EMU. All 3 teams were going to lose to Butler, but EMU lasted the longest. It is concerning of course that it fell apart so much and so fast in the second half.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket.../_/id/2086

Good points Ramy. I just chafe when we get a declaration of "We are waaay better than last year's team" after exactly 2 games, one of which was a 39 point loss! It is nothing more than a thinly veiled jab at their beloved scapegoat, a very passive aggressive way to root for a team.

"Way better" or "Waaay better" if you speak Welchersham have never been posted on this website by anyone. The term simply "better" has. Chafe to your heart delight Mr. Shallow Pockets, but I think this team will exceed 8 wins. In fact, I would propose a wager, but based on your history, that would be insane. Chafe on!

As I peruse the schedule, there are 6 guaranteed wins on it. We have 1 in the bag already with the Georgia Southern victory. So you are saying that EMU will find at least 3 more wins in addition to GSU, Central Arkansas, North Dakota, Lake Superior State, Hampton, and Northwood...Cleveland State, Oakland, and U of D must be viewed as toss ups. Not exactly going out on a limb! I would hope we can get at least 3 wins in MAC play.

Last year's OOC schedule was more difficult with only 2 potential guaranteed wins--Wayne State and Fort Wayne. Somehow we lost to Fort Wayne but were able to recoup with a wins vs FIU and Detroit.

My bad indeed. The savant that you are, I did not realize how powerful the opponents of last season like Winthrop, UC San Diego, FIU, Illinois St and Niagra were. They all probably were "jobbed" out of NCAA or NIT invites. I doubt many teams could have survived that treacherous gauntlet of opponents.

Every team you mentioned are presentable, tried and true Mid majors, especially Winthrop and Missouri Valley Conference stalwart, Illinois State. Surely, you are not comparing those teams to Northwood or Lake Superior State?!

(11-14-2023 08:03 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(11-14-2023 07:50 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(11-14-2023 07:11 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(11-14-2023 06:36 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(11-14-2023 07:33 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Good points Ramy. I just chafe when we get a declaration of "We are waaay better than last year's team" after exactly 2 games, one of which was a 39 point loss! It is nothing more than a thinly veiled jab at their beloved scapegoat, a very passive aggressive way to root for a team.

"Way better" or "Waaay better" if you speak Welchersham have never been posted on this website by anyone. The term simply "better" has. Chafe to your heart delight Mr. Shallow Pockets, but I think this team will exceed 8 wins. In fact, I would propose a wager, but based on your history, that would be insane. Chafe on!

As I peruse the schedule, there are 6 guaranteed wins on it. We have 1 in the bag already with the Georgia Southern victory. So you are saying that EMU will find at least 3 more wins in addition to GSU, Central Arkansas, North Dakota, Lake Superior State, Hampton, and Northwood...Cleveland State, Oakland, and U of D must be viewed as toss ups. Not exactly going out on a limb! I would hope we can get at least 3 wins in MAC play.

Last year's OOC schedule was more difficult with only 2 potential guaranteed wins--Wayne State and Fort Wayne. Somehow we lost to Fort Wayne but were able to recoup with a wins vs FIU and Detroit.

My bad indeed. The savant that you are, I did not realize how powerful the opponents of last season like Winthrop, UC San Diego, FIU, Illinois St and Niagra were. They all probably were "jobbed" out of NCAA or NIT invites. I doubt many teams could have survived that treacherous gauntlet of opponents.

Every team you mentioned are presentable, tried and true Mid majors, especially Winthrop and Missouri Valley Conference stalwart, Illinois State. Surely, you are not comparing those teams to Northwood or Lake Superior State?!

I am truly out of my mind, and I beg for your forgiveness. Winthrop at 15-17 and Illinois St at 11-21 should certainly have been invited for post season tournaments, they are, as you alluded to, tried and true Mid Major programs. I am awfully sure that UCONN would have been absolutely TERRIFIED to schedule such "tried and true" opponents and yet Stan Heath stepped into that gator pond last season. It is a miracle that Stan had three OOC wins playing such incredible powers!

(11-14-2023 07:11 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(11-14-2023 06:36 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(11-14-2023 07:33 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 11:00 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(11-12-2023 06:22 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Glad you do and we can disagree on that. However, it doesn't change the fact that the team has played 2 games so far and got a 10 point win at home over a school, quite frankly I had to look up to see what conference they play in because I have never heard of Georgia Southern and we lost by 39 to a team that no one is predicting to be very good this season. It is literally impossible to know if this team is better than last year's team. I personally don't see how losing an NBA player and Noah Farrakhan makes you better but we shall see. It is why we play the games.

You are raising some valid points losing Noah and Bates. But I think there might be a couple things going on:
1) This years recruiting class was way better then we were expecting. Makes us possibly deeper AND more experienced than last year.
2) It seems that Coach Heath scrapped the “pro style” coaching scheme.

About the 39 point loss, I don’t think Butler is going to be bad. They have only played mid majors so far, but are killing them. Schedule linked below- at half time they were up 34 points against SE Missouri St, and up 25 points on East Tennesse St, yet only up 8 points at half time against EMU. All 3 teams were going to lose to Butler, but EMU lasted the longest. It is concerning of course that it fell apart so much and so fast in the second half.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket.../_/id/2086

Good points Ramy. I just chafe when we get a declaration of "We are waaay better than last year's team" after exactly 2 games, one of which was a 39 point loss! It is nothing more than a thinly veiled jab at their beloved scapegoat, a very passive aggressive way to root for a team.

"Way better" or "Waaay better" if you speak Welchersham have never been posted on this website by anyone. The term simply "better" has. Chafe to your heart delight Mr. Shallow Pockets, but I think this team will exceed 8 wins. In fact, I would propose a wager, but based on your history, that would be insane. Chafe on!

As I peruse the schedule, there are 6 guaranteed wins on it. We have 1 in the bag already with the Georgia Southern victory. So you are saying that EMU will find at least 3 more wins in addition to GSU, Central Arkansas, North Dakota, Lake Superior State, Hampton, and Northwood...Cleveland State, Oakland, and U of D must be viewed as toss ups. Not exactly going out on a limb! I would hope we can get at least 3 wins in MAC play.

Last year's OOC schedule was more difficult with only 2 potential guaranteed wins--Wayne State and Fort Wayne. Somehow we lost to Fort Wayne but were able to recoup with a wins vs FIU and Detroit.

Lol the “guaranteed win” against Georgia Southern, in which we were underdogs at home.

You crack me up more and more every year, Bob.

(11-15-2023 07:01 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  

(11-14-2023 07:11 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(11-14-2023 06:36 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(11-14-2023 07:33 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(11-13-2023 11:00 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  You are raising some valid points losing Noah and Bates. But I think there might be a couple things going on:
1) This years recruiting class was way better then we were expecting. Makes us possibly deeper AND more experienced than last year.
2) It seems that Coach Heath scrapped the “pro style” coaching scheme.

About the 39 point loss, I don’t think Butler is going to be bad. They have only played mid majors so far, but are killing them. Schedule linked below- at half time they were up 34 points against SE Missouri St, and up 25 points on East Tennesse St, yet only up 8 points at half time against EMU. All 3 teams were going to lose to Butler, but EMU lasted the longest. It is concerning of course that it fell apart so much and so fast in the second half.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket.../_/id/2086

Good points Ramy. I just chafe when we get a declaration of "We are waaay better than last year's team" after exactly 2 games, one of which was a 39 point loss! It is nothing more than a thinly veiled jab at their beloved scapegoat, a very passive aggressive way to root for a team.

"Way better" or "Waaay better" if you speak Welchersham have never been posted on this website by anyone. The term simply "better" has. Chafe to your heart delight Mr. Shallow Pockets, but I think this team will exceed 8 wins. In fact, I would propose a wager, but based on your history, that would be insane. Chafe on!

As I peruse the schedule, there are 6 guaranteed wins on it. We have 1 in the bag already with the Georgia Southern victory. So you are saying that EMU will find at least 3 more wins in addition to GSU, Central Arkansas, North Dakota, Lake Superior State, Hampton, and Northwood...Cleveland State, Oakland, and U of D must be viewed as toss ups. Not exactly going out on a limb! I would hope we can get at least 3 wins in MAC play.

Last year's OOC schedule was more difficult with only 2 potential guaranteed wins--Wayne State and Fort Wayne. Somehow we lost to Fort Wayne but were able to recoup with a wins vs FIU and Detroit.

Lol the “guaranteed win” against Georgia Southern, in which we were underdogs at home.

You crack me up more and more every year, Bob.

Dog at home to Georgia Southwest Southern Tech State A&M? If you didn't feel in your heart that that was a guaranteed win, well good luck with the rest of the schedule! I would recommend jumping off this bandwagon asap.

Bob continuously showing he has no understanding of the mid major landscape. How’s Keno Davis doing?

(11-15-2023 08:14 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  Bob continuously showing he has no understanding of the mid major landscape. How’s Keno Davis doing?

I actually ran into Keno Davis in the Summer of 2022. He was coaching in a semi-pro league that guys like Latin Davis (Youngstown State and Wayne State) and Malik Ellison (EMU) were playing in.

(11-15-2023 08:43 AM)KPJ Wrote:  

(11-15-2023 08:14 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  Bob continuously showing he has no understanding of the mid major landscape. How’s Keno Davis doing?

I actually ran into Keno Davis in the Summer of 2022. He was coaching in a semi-pro league that guys like Latin Davis (Youngstown State and Wayne State) and Malik Ellison (EMU) were playing in.

I certainly hope Rob Murphy gets a job in that league, he has already proven that he can absolutely own Keno.

(11-15-2023 08:43 AM)KPJ Wrote:  

(11-15-2023 08:14 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  Bob continuously showing he has no understanding of the mid major landscape. How’s Keno Davis doing?

I actually ran into Keno Davis in the Summer of 2022. He was coaching in a semi-pro league that guys like Latin Davis (Youngstown State and Wayne State) and Malik Ellison (EMU) were playing in.

Keno is a super nice guy. I ran into him at a gas station by the Drake campus when they went on their magical run. Talked some hoops and he couldn't have been nicer.