If you guys didn't get blown out by Kansas State, you would be in the lead spot for the NY6. If the CFP Committee wants to talk about Strength of Schedule, as they loved to point out in why the AAC always gets the Access Bowl, they must observe that the Sun Belt is much stronger, top to bottom, than the AAC right now.

A two-loss Sun Belt team is a stronger candidate than a one loss Tulane team, period. They won't acknowledge that, despite the fact that USC is 7-6 since their game with Tulane and may not have been the team everyone thought that they were. I think Troy would probably beat Tulane by 10 points or so. I think JMU and App would handle Tulane as well at this point.

Popularity contest.

(11-27-2023 12:05 PM)jmu98 Wrote:  

(11-27-2023 11:49 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(11-27-2023 10:57 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  we as a SB brotherhood still have some work to do to change the national perception of this conference.

Everyone out their slurping up SMU for some reason. They have the same record as troy. But consider:

SMU record against bowl teams: 2-1 (lost to Oklahoma, beat 6-6 Rice by 5, beat Memphis by 4). They have ONE win against a team with a winning record. and lost to a 5-7 TCU team by 17

Troy record against bowl teams: 6-2 (lost to ranked KSU and ranked JMU). No bad losses. 10 game winning streak.

Why is SMU getting so much love? Clearly pollsters are still biased towards the AAC based on past history and not based on today.

if SMU and Troy were in the same conference, Troy would be ranked ahead every time.

Because if SMU beats Tulane they would rather SMU be the NY6 participant than Liberty or Troy.

Which is why SBC should have JMU in CCG this weekend. It would be a lot better for Troy to avenge their only G5 loss from a resume perspective.

On cue, another thread NOT about JMU where they get inserted.

(11-28-2023 01:38 PM)warhawk09 Wrote:  

(11-27-2023 12:05 PM)jmu98 Wrote:  

(11-27-2023 11:49 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(11-27-2023 10:57 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  we as a SB brotherhood still have some work to do to change the national perception of this conference.

Everyone out their slurping up SMU for some reason. They have the same record as troy. But consider:

SMU record against bowl teams: 2-1 (lost to Oklahoma, beat 6-6 Rice by 5, beat Memphis by 4). They have ONE win against a team with a winning record. and lost to a 5-7 TCU team by 17

Troy record against bowl teams: 6-2 (lost to ranked KSU and ranked JMU). No bad losses. 10 game winning streak.

Why is SMU getting so much love? Clearly pollsters are still biased towards the AAC based on past history and not based on today.

if SMU and Troy were in the same conference, Troy would be ranked ahead every time.

Because if SMU beats Tulane they would rather SMU be the NY6 participant than Liberty or Troy.

Which is why SBC should have JMU in CCG this weekend. It would be a lot better for Troy to avenge their only G5 loss from a resume perspective.

On cue, another thread NOT about JMU where they get inserted.

No, there have been a few other JMU posts where the fan is just trying to stir things up, but I think this one has merit. I do think Troy should be a top 25 team, and maybe the voters wouldn't be swayed, no matter what.

However, if they played and beat us, they probably do jump to the top of the computer rankings. If they beat App next weekend, they won't. Then, the winner of the SMU/Tulane game will jump ahead, and very likely JMU, Liberty, and maybe Toledo still all finish higher than Troy,

Somehow USA’s blowout win over Okie St. hasn’t resulted in the kind of positive rep points it should have for the SBC. Even with Okie St. now scheduled to play Texas for the Big12 championship, the perception remains that the AAC is a stronger FB conference than the SBC.

It’ll obviously take more time, and continued OOC wins by the SBC over P5 programs to eliminate this bias. How long is the question.

This is the game that got us ranked last year and were also
11-2….

This Troy team is better then last years imo.

If we ain’t ranked that would be some big time BS

#27 in the AP poll with 65 votes

******* slap in our faces

(12-03-2023 11:18 AM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  #27 in the AP poll with 65 votes

******* slap in our faces

And this is why reconfiguring the CG would amount to a sparrow fart in a tornado. Beating JMU instead wasn’t going to move Troy up 10 spots.

Did I miss something or did Sun Belt leadership not put anything out on Troy being absolutely deserving of the NY6 bid?

The Sun Belt was the clear cut #1 G5, best OOC record. Yet Sun Belt was being treated like this is the 2001 version of the Sun Belt.

(12-04-2023 02:46 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  Did I miss something or did Sun Belt leadership not put anything out on Troy being absolutely deserving of the NY6 bid?

The Sun Belt was the clear cut #1 G5, best OOC record. Yet Sun Belt was being treated like this is the 2001 version of the Sun Belt.

I will say... SBC didn't do us any favors. A little disappointed.

Meanwhile AAC and CUSA were stumping.

Keith Gill has GOT to be more vocal DURING the season. He's a great offseason promoter... but not so much during the school year.

(11-28-2023 01:32 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  If you guys didn't get blown out by Kansas State, you would be in the lead spot for the NY6. If the CFP Committee wants to talk about Strength of Schedule, as they loved to point out in why the AAC always gets the Access Bowl, they must observe that the Sun Belt is much stronger, top to bottom, than the AAC right now.

A two-loss Sun Belt team is a stronger candidate than a one loss Tulane team, period. They won't acknowledge that, despite the fact that USC is 7-6 since their game with Tulane and may not have been the team everyone thought that they were. I think Troy would probably beat Tulane by 10 points or so. I think JMU and App would handle Tulane as well at this point.

Popularity contest.

The committee doesn't think any G5 has any strength to add to the schedule. Only playing and beating P5s does that. Otherwise there's no difference in their mind between beating Akron and App.

(12-04-2023 03:09 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(12-04-2023 02:46 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  Did I miss something or did Sun Belt leadership not put anything out on Troy being absolutely deserving of the NY6 bid?

The Sun Belt was the clear cut #1 G5, best OOC record. Yet Sun Belt was being treated like this is the 2001 version of the Sun Belt.

I will say... SBC didn't do us any favors. A little disappointed.

Meanwhile AAC and CUSA were stumping.

Keith Gill has GOT to be more vocal DURING the season. He's a great offseason promoter... but not so much during the school year.

Being vocal I'm afraid is not his strong suit unless he is adding teams. Seems we ended up with pre expansion Gill again. Hate that!

The winner of the JMU - Troy CCG would have been in the NY6 bowl. It was a big enough matchup that the winner would have added a resume boosting win.

See where they are rated now and add several notches for beating a tough opponent in the CCG.

(12-04-2023 02:46 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  Did I miss something or did Sun Belt leadership not put anything out on Troy being absolutely deserving of the NY6 bid?

The Sun Belt was the clear cut #1 G5, best OOC record. Yet Sun Belt was being treated like this is the 2001 version of the Sun Belt.

As the biggest "name" schools flee for power conferences, it actually kinda seems like there's a general shift toward more willful ignorance of G5 quality on the whole. There were some good stories during COVID, and Cincy was a scrappy upstart, but those days are in the past. GameDay at JMU served its purpose for the story they wanted to weave for a week, but when it really comes time to share the stage, there's not much action to be had. Troy has a very good team but not enough of a storyline to make the bigwigs care.

(12-04-2023 06:55 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  The winner of the JMU - Troy CCG would have been in the NY6 bowl. It was a big enough matchup that the winner would have added a resume boosting win.

See where they are rated now and add several notches for beating a tough opponent in the CCG.

I agree, but we still should get behind our champion regardless.

It's a travesty that Troy isn't ranked.

(12-04-2023 07:48 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(12-04-2023 06:55 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  The winner of the JMU - Troy CCG would have been in the NY6 bowl. It was a big enough matchup that the winner would have added a resume boosting win.

See where they are rated now and add several notches for beating a tough opponent in the CCG.

I agree, but we still should get behind our champion regardless.

It's a travesty that Troy isn't ranked.

We will be once we beat Duke.

You almost have to have a p5 win to get ranked....even if it is the worst p5 team from the worst p5 conference. It is sad that this statement is true.

AppState beat Auburn in basketball yesterday and jumped to 47 in net ranking.....what a joke of a system.

(12-04-2023 06:55 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  The winner of the JMU - Troy CCG would have been in the NY6 bowl. It was a big enough matchup that the winner would have added a resume boosting win.

See where they are rated now and add several notches for beating a tough opponent in the CCG.

No, because Troy wasn't ranked going into the game whereas Liberty and SMU were.

JMU couldn't have been in a championship game because they are an FCS Transition team. Better luck next year buddy-o. Gonna need it without the Marlboro Man.

I'm almost to Liberty level apathy with JMU at this point as well. Let's see you sustain it over two more coaches. Maybe you will, maybe you won't. But rules are what they are and I applaud the NCAA for upholding the standard that the others that came before you had to abide by as well.

There is no"what could've been" because this is a "never was" situation.

By the eye test, Troy is better than Tulane, SMU, and Liberty yet they didn't even get a look. App had beat JMU and at this point in the year it isn't a foregone conclusion that JMU would've won. It's also not a foregone conclusion that ESPN would've given a **** about JMU being 10-0 if you weren't in transition.

The way they discuss SMU, despite Troy's resume being as good and theirbplay being better against better competition week in and week out tells you all you need to know. That "p6" bull**** Aresco put out there was some Grade A propaganda that the public bought hook, line, and sinker. Maybe that changes soon, maybe it doesn't.

(12-04-2023 03:09 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(12-04-2023 02:46 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  Did I miss something or did Sun Belt leadership not put anything out on Troy being absolutely deserving of the NY6 bid?

The Sun Belt was the clear cut #1 G5, best OOC record. Yet Sun Belt was being treated like this is the 2001 version of the Sun Belt.

I will say... SBC didn't do us any favors. A little disappointed.

Meanwhile AAC and CUSA were stumping.

Keith Gill has GOT to be more vocal DURING the season. He's a great offseason promoter... but not so much during the school year.

I am 100% convinced any public stumping between Saturday and Sunday was useless, so I'm completely fine with there being no public statement promoting Troy as the NY6 rep. The hay was in the barn at that point, and the simple math of "0 losses vs. 2 losses" was too much to overcome. I respect the sentiment of "well, you have to at least try," but noise just for the sake of noise only serves to dull the senses.

However, during October and November, we do need to be pressing and annoying the crap out of everybody. As I said elsewhere, half the equation is already being ranked when the conversation starts. We gotta do whatever we can to try to get the voters to show our guys some love earlier in the race so the SBC champ isn't always having to come from behind in the deep stretch.

(12-04-2023 06:55 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  The winner of the JMU - Troy CCG would have been in the NY6 bowl. It was a big enough matchup that the winner would have added a resume boosting win.

See where they are rated now and add several notches for beating a tough opponent in the CCG.

If you add the words “If JMU was eligible” to the front of your post, absolutely. Unfortunately the NCAA didn’t allow it. If the Sun Belt had allowed JMU in the championship game and JMU won we are in the same boat today. If Troy won then they might possibly have gotten consideration, but Liberty would have still have gotten the nod.